Official Sharp Elite PRO-70X5 and 60X5 Owners Thread - Page 53

Fanboy maybe... but kuro killer? Not really.

I think there's some sort of misconception... especially back in the day when people first started grabbing Kuros. It quickly became the display to beat and a lot of people who didn't have one really began ripping on them. For most of us who embraced the Kuro... it was PURELY for home theater pq reasons... not Pioneer fanboyism.

Sharp's proving it right now and even Sony with their Local Dimming Displays.

I think the fact that calling anything a Kuro Killer can be only flattering to the display itself. "Vizio Killer!" "Insignia Killer!" ... Don't hear that too often.

Is the Elite a Kuro Killer? Who knows... but alot of kuro owners seem to be interested... and satisfied with these things.

As i recall, The company (Sharp) has a history of innovation in LCD. It's worth a look to see the 'best' LCD created. Yeah it's expensive, but Elite always was for quality. I think Sharp owns part of Pioneer for a few years now and have been trading knowledge to make the set killer. I've seen it at VE and it is without a doubt stunning and industry setting. Black levels blow away the Kuro, contrast and color reproduction are truly unique. Don't judge, go see one! Tell the Best Buy Magnolia peeps what you want to see, including getting the remote. The folks at Palisades Center in Nyack NY were very helpful with that, and even let me play my own content.

I'm negotiating with my wife (the boss) about a 60 PR 70!

Kuro killer..so subjective, of course some will say better than Kuro, some not. Can't we just agree that its the best LCD set to come out ever? Who cares if its kills the Kuro, if you like it buy it. Why do people have to put labels on everything, its mankind, we'll never agree. And why does the Kuro have to be killed, poor Kuro.

Yes, I've got the 60" Elite. I can't say I agree with you about viewing angle. The Elite's contrast & color begin to change the further you move off axis. This doesn't happen with the Kuro. I agree that I wouldn't want to sit too far off to the side of any display, but the picture characteristics of the Kuro do remain very consistent.

No eye fatigue for me, just unabated eye candy.

hey akio,

so i got my replacement set (first one had a stuck blue pixel that wouldn't turn off). the replacement has a dead blue pixel that shows black whenever there is a shade of dark blue in that area of the screen. again, mostly imperceptible from more than three feet, but damn.

i can't decide what to do next. the elite is definitely the tv for me, but feel like a crazy man returning multiple sets.

what did you decide to do with your tv? are you going to exchange it again?

Thank you sow much can't wait till I get mine on Monday am having it calibrated by kevin miller and d-nice

in a pitch black room, I can still see the faintest glow with a fade to black...but you do have to look for it. But with the tiniest amount of light on in the viewing room, the screen then looks pitch black.

My memory may not be 100% on this, but I seem to recall the 929 going pitch black on fades to black even in a totally darkened room. With that said though, I know with any content, the Elite's blacks are a bit darker. Sounds almost contradictory, but I suspect it's the result of the LEDs not totally extinguishing in idle mode as Robert had once pointed out.

Hmm, calibrating it twice?

I look forward to seeing you at the shootout tomorrow. As of this moment the Elite is not equal or better than the Kuro, post calibration, in the ISF and/or THX mode. Black level wise, it is better, but not by much.... in a completely dark room that is.

I can't wait to see what you guys find.

I figured with a Local Dimming Array, the blacks could be exponentially better on the Sharp with extremely dark content. The glow on a Kuro on the darkest scenes or fade to black is noticeable in a completely dark room.

With the faintest of light, the Kuro already is as dark as hell... not really much improvement needed on real world content.

I think tomorrow will answer a lot of questions... look forward to it, and I'm sure many people will sway their opinions after you guys show these displays who's boss.

Or the exposure is too high, yes. I did this same test when I had the Samsung LCD... open a window and watch the Kuro's blacks turn as blue as the screen is.

I was wondering how much of any of pioneers tech is actually in this tv? Also would any get a service plan on it for the 4 years?

Yes there is the manufacturer of the Kuro killed the Kuro... It's dead & gone . deal with it ,get over it ,morn if you have to .
You sir are in denial

With real world content, and not a blank screen, is the Elite darker than the Kuro? I've spent some time eyeballing the Sharp (not the greatest test, I know) and it hasn't struck me as being anything special.

What are your thoughts on the Elite vs. the 929? I have to admit, I prefer the 929. Seems to have a richer picture.

Or will all be revealed this weekend, at the shootout?

I am also interested in the Elite and the 929... haha. Things like color accuracy and saturation levels are iffy in an in store check out.

How different a picture looks when calibrated. I think in terms of 'richness' the two displays should deliver. I just think the lack of halos and other issues would swing it towards the Elite's favor.

Halos... suck.

Please just shut up with the Kuro killer crap. Jezz. Who cares. I for one think this is the best tv I've owned to date. Which is all that matters. I for one am beyond amazed by this set and don't plan to look for another for a very long time. Does it beat it kuro? Better question is. Should one care? My answer. No. I suggest others do the same.

Anyone know when I should expect availability in midwest?

I'm curious to hear where you're finding the Elite falls short relative to the Kuro. I'll be at the shootout on Sunday.

Having had the 929, I can tell you my personal observations. There is no question that both the white field uniformity and DSE is better on the Elite than the Sony. Those were the 2 things that did bother me a bit...at least on my 929.

Haloing is also considerably better controlled on the Elite. For those sitting off-axis, this could be significant.

In terms of real world black levels, with real content, the Elite seems to be a bit better to my eyes. Yet full screen blacks, with no stimulus in a pitch black room, seemed slightly better on the Sony.

I'd also give an edge to the Elite in terms of viewing angle. Neither can match a plasma, but in the world of LED/LCDs, the Elite isn't bad.

Where I found the Sony to excel, was the ease in getting the colors to just look 'right'. I think the Elite is tougher, with some colors seemingly very difficult to get accurate (though I'm sure most would never notice it). I'm reasonably sure all colors can be made accurate with a good ISF adjustment. The shootout should answer that question.

In the end, I prefer the Elite's picture.

I guess.... sigh




I suppose when you aren't watching it you use the 140fL to light up a commercial parking garage or something????? Standard peak brightness is 35fL (up from 30fL - you might be able to guess why). Realistically it has a lot to do with screen size, ie. total light. Luminance from a front projector screen should be 14-16 fL and that is bright enough for sure. One of my personal displays is a 75" LaserVue and peak white luminance is around 21fL - there is no way I would want it any brighter than that or it would violate the Contrast eye fatigue rule.

If your viewing environment is a bright room than you'll probably want 50 - 60fL and that is fine. Just remember that the standards are based on dark rooms. Anything else is a standards compromise.

Unless something drastically changes today, the Elite is going to stick out like a sore thumb with stylized BD content compared to the other players at the shootout. Kuro will not be needed to see what it is doing.

That's my Kuro 151. I guess I fit your description. I won't be making any decisions until my house is rebuilt some time next year. It's good to see that someone is at least trying to surpass the Kuros.

I gotta call Robert and see if I can drop in

good to see you are ok and still have a sense of humor..good luck to you

It is good to know the Kuro is going to be there to defend its crown as the reference TV. It will be nice to get more expert opinions as to which TV is now considered the reference set. If the Kuro retains the crown, it will be an amazing achievement after all these years. My guess though is that the VX300 and Elite will give it some serious competition and one of them will ultimately be crowned Kuro Killer.

It'll certainly be interesting to see what changed with the performance of the Elite between the pre-release model Kevin Miller evaluated and the model being calibrated and evaluated at the shootout, considering the very high praise he gave the first unit. It would be disappointing to find that Sharp said, "Oh, look at that! Kevin Miller says that our Elite performs well...let's change some things to make it worse." Ummm...yeah...

Galaxy Tab- Kuro Killer
Sony OLED- Kuro Killer

OLED may have the best shot at being a new reference standard for PQ...IF they ever can make a good size set at a competitive price. My Samsung Galaxy phone display is simply amazing...DEEP inky blacks and wide viewing angles. I'd love to have this display in 60 inches! I read a recent test on flatpanelsHD.com and the reviewer stated the OLED set was the best they ever saw. I think we have a 5 to 10 year wait though for this tech to become mainstream...and assuming some fatal flaw doesn't rear it's ugly head...ala SXRD.