Official Sharp Elite PRO-70X5 and 60X5 Owners Thread - Page 62

Originally Posted by gene9p

that's a bold statement...I am only stating the facts and I find your remarks way out of line

Originally Posted by Mixdoctor

Since I was sitting right in the front row, Dnice said with the color issues that the Elite had he could not pick it as the winner, and as a matter of fact neither would it come in second. He would pick the Samsung and Panasonic over it right now. Upon speaking to him later he said if they fix the color issue(s) it would be his top display. So I tend to think Ken is more correct in what what said at the event.

Originally Posted by gene9p

I think that was a pressured remark , it was expected of him and rest to say that right off the bat....

Originally Posted by Blackguard

You keep bringing up the fact that you believe they were pressured. If that's the case, what is the point of taking anything they said from this shootout as fact? I'd really like to give them a lot more credit and respect than that and I can't see them stating an opinion they didn't 100% believe in.

Hell, look at it the other way....Maybe they were pressured to push the plasma's since that has been the videophile standard. I mean, how could an LCD possibly come close to that??? (Sorry, bit of sarcasm there....)

It's my opinion only, but maybe you need to look around your bias and take people at their word? I can't see any other reason for why you feel they may have opinions that differ from what you want or expect.

Originally Posted by charlypittsburgh

The elite is hands down the best overall flat panel you can buy...its combination of virtually matching the Kuro in low ambient light environments...and blowing it out of the water in high ambient light environment. I've been to Robert's showroom in Scarsdale....don't get me wrong I've love that guy...but it plays favorite to plasma....put these Plasmas in a high ambient light situation and they ALL stink....yes all of them...I own a 70x5...which was not reviewed BTW...now let's talk about value...I can watch my Elite in any light situation and get spectacular results...instead of waiting for the sun to go down or spending my afternoons in a cave...I can now watch several more hours a week and be in awe of every hour....if I can watch this tv twice as much....then it's cost per viewing hour is much greater....or I guess you could spend your life in a cave...To those Kuro lovers, which I am....and I am an owner....watching the Patriots right now...sunset hitting the screen directly....and OMG it's still in color!

I also own an hx909 and I had a 151 in my bedroom...trust me the elites are the all around champ....by a large margin

Originally Posted by TitusTroy

to be honest gene9p that statement does seem very biased on your part...Mixdoctor stated that he spoke to D-Nice in private, not during the Shootout presentation and asked him his opinion on the Elite if they fixed the color issue...so your contention that it was a 'pressured remark' makes no sense...pressured by who?...he was talking to him in private and even if it was during the actual Shootout I don't think D-Nice would try and cozy up to the Elite rep

Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus

Were the black levels of the 65" VT30 and 64" PN8000 measured yesterday? Curious to see where they fall into place.

Originally Posted by Ken Ross

I agree 100%. What I can't quite understand is that even in THX mode, my Elite is nowhere near as undersaturated as what I saw at the shootout...not even close. I was actually kind of shocked when I came home and turned to a few football games. In THX mode the grass was vibrant and very green, nothing like the pale greens I saw at VE. Very very weird.

The way I have mine adjusted is with the color at +8, but that's even less than what the Elite at the show was set at. I do have the green saturation up in the CMS controls, but the undersaturation I saw at the show seemed to impact virtually all colors. I had been using non-THX movie mode, but that was to get around the hue issue with cyan...which is different than the undersaturation issue I saw across the board on Robert's Elite.

Something seems very different in that respect about their set. I'd like to hear from other Elite owners whether they were at the show or not. In THX mode are you seeing undersaturated colors such as pale greens on baseball or football broadcasts?

I hope I'm not the Lone Wolf on this one too.

Originally Posted by gene9p


I am, all LCD are crappy off axis..so being best of the worst off axis isn't really saying much , so if it makes someone happy to think or spin that being off axis on the ELITE isn't as bad as the rest..well how do you judge bad..to me, bad is bad, if a tv washes out, it washes out,you can twist it any way you want to find a false positive...i won't kid anyone into thinking you get a great picture off axis of the ELITE..you don't...I didn't so it fell down my list a few notches..If you are an LCD aficionado,then you might find off axis viewing being the norm so the ELITE might look better.That's how I judged it.For those that don't mind the washing out.Excellent is just not true and was an incorrect statement, another result of what I felt was some real pressure by SHARP to say something good about the ELITE.

Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus

Thanks for the information. I'm a current owner of a 101FD and I use a backlight in my HT room so I can attest to the black levels I experience. But as I have stated a few times I am finally looking to upgrade to a more encompassing movie experience (ie bigger screen).

I guess the simple answer I was looking for was where do the different black levels rate? .0004 is what I am used to right now and I would think this is rated in the category of 'Best' (along with the Elite). Would .0034 be in a category of 'Great', 'Very good', 'Good', etc? How about .0061?

Trying to figure out just how much black level I'd be losing. Would movies like The Dark Knight or Tron lose some appeal with lesser blacks? Or are the values negligible? Etc.

Originally Posted by airgas1998


your not, i have very undersaturated colors in thx mod as well. changing from movie to thx mode is night and day when it comes to color saturation levels.

Originally Posted by TitusTroy

since the Elite was released late in the year will there even be a 2012 version or will the 2011 Elite last through 2012 as well?

Originally Posted by gene9p

so he speaks out to all of us...and then tells someone something else in private that no one heard except that one guy..well if he did good for him..but since no one else heard it since it was a"private conversation"..then he as an "exclusive" report

I can tell you it was great to see what the ELITE can do set up properly after my awful BB experience.It just wasn't #1, it wasn't without issues, it certainly wasn't a pig as I think some here are trying to spin my words.It finished in the top 3 and the best of it's class!That's darn good!!!I am not going to change my opinion or ratings, lie about what I saw to make some here happy. it is important to tell the truth so the proper corrections can be made ,they asked us to do that and next year's ELITE will better, you can bet on that

that being said...guys remember Robert saying there will be fights...I have not made any personal remarks about any of you..can you say that?

Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus

I've really come to enjoy the amount of professional and enthusiastic discussion going on in this thread, so I figure I'll post another slightly off-topic question in hopes of getting input from you guys:

The more I look at the price of the Samsung 64PND8000, along with the reviews of it (both from the quick ranks of the shootout to more in-depth reviews by CNET and Chad B), the more I keep grinning at the thought of finally having a big picture in my smaller HT room. However, I am in the *horrible* position of already owning a Pioneer PRO-101FD. I say horrible the way I do because I can't help but be very critical of all the displays I have been looking at, including the Elite, Samsung, and even projectors.

At the very least I will be going from a 50" (my Pio) screen to a 64" screen (Sammy). Is a 14" increase in diagonal screen size enough to make me stop being so critical? I watch movies in a completely dark room with a backlight behind the TV, so will I really notice the difference in blacks levels between the Kuro and the Sammy in a way that will make me regret the decision?
I would be selling my Kuro to do this upgrade so it's not like I can go back once I pull the trigger, so that's part of my hesitation. Am I just being too unreasonable? Have I been drinking too much Kuro kool-aid, to the point that any TV I choose would be a suitable replacement due to the size increase?

Thanks in advance for any sense you will hopefully talk into me.

Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus

I've really come to enjoy the amount of professional and enthusiastic discussion going on in this thread, so I figure I'll post another slightly off-topic question in hopes of getting input from you guys:

The more I look at the price of the Samsung 64PND8000, along with the reviews of it (both from the quick ranks of the shootout to more in-depth reviews by CNET and Chad B), the more I keep grinning at the thought of finally having a big picture in my smaller HT room. However, I am in the *horrible* position of already owning a Pioneer PRO-101FD. I say horrible the way I do because I can't help but be very critical of all the displays I have been looking at, including the Elite, Samsung, and even projectors.

At the very least I will be going from a 50" (my Pio) screen to a 64" screen (Sammy). Is a 14" increase in diagonal screen size enough to make me stop being so critical? I watch movies in a completely dark room with a backlight behind the TV, so will I really notice the difference in blacks levels between the Kuro and the Sammy in a way that will make me regret the decision?
I would be selling my Kuro to do this upgrade so it's not like I can go back once I pull the trigger, so that's part of my hesitation. Am I just being too unreasonable? Have I been drinking too much Kuro kool-aid, to the point that any TV I choose would be a suitable replacement due to the size increase?


Thanks in advance for any sense you will hopefully talk into me.

Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus

I've really come to enjoy the amount of professional and enthusiastic discussion going on in this thread, so I figure I'll post another slightly off-topic question in hopes of getting input from you guys:

The more I look at the price of the Samsung 64PND8000, along with the reviews of it (both from the quick ranks of the shootout to more in-depth reviews by CNET and Chad B), the more I keep grinning at the thought of finally having a big picture in my smaller HT room. However, I am in the *horrible* position of already owning a Pioneer PRO-101FD. I say horrible the way I do because I can't help but be very critical of all the displays I have been looking at, including the Elite, Samsung, and even projectors.

At the very least I will be going from a 50" (my Pio) screen to a 64" screen (Sammy). Is a 14" increase in diagonal screen size enough to make me stop being so critical? I watch movies in a completely dark room with a backlight behind the TV, so will I really notice the difference in blacks levels between the Kuro and the Sammy in a way that will make me regret the decision?
I would be selling my Kuro to do this upgrade so it's not like I can go back once I pull the trigger, so that's part of my hesitation. Am I just being too unreasonable? Have I been drinking too much Kuro kool-aid, to the point that any TV I choose would be a suitable replacement due to the size increase?


Thanks in advance for any sense you will hopefully talk into me.

Originally Posted by Cimerrian

BigJesus try out the Sammy before selling you Pio. Just return it if you are not happy.
As a KRP-500m owner, seeing my friend's VT30 in a completely dark room and also with a backlight, the black levels in dark scenes were completely unacceptable. It bugged the hell out of me. Going from 0.0005 mll to 0.005 is very noticeable in the dark.

Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus

I've really come to enjoy the amount of professional and enthusiastic discussion going on in this thread, so I figure I'll post another slightly off-topic question in hopes of getting input from you guys:

The more I look at the price of the Samsung 64PND8000, along with the reviews of it (both from the quick ranks of the shootout to more in-depth reviews by CNET and Chad B), the more I keep grinning at the thought of finally having a big picture in my smaller HT room. However, I am in the *horrible* position of already owning a Pioneer PRO-101FD. I say horrible the way I do because I can't help but be very critical of all the displays I have been looking at, including the Elite, Samsung, and even projectors.

At the very least I will be going from a 50" (my Pio) screen to a 64" screen (Sammy). Is a 14" increase in diagonal screen size enough to make me stop being so critical? I watch movies in a completely dark room with a backlight behind the TV, so will I really notice the difference in blacks levels between the Kuro and the Sammy in a way that will make me regret the decision?
I would be selling my Kuro to do this upgrade so it's not like I can go back once I pull the trigger, so that's part of my hesitation. Am I just being too unreasonable? Have I been drinking too much Kuro kool-aid, to the point that any TV I choose would be a suitable replacement due to the size increase?


Thanks in advance for any sense you will hopefully talk into me.

Originally Posted by Cimerrian

BigJesus try out the Sammy before selling you Pio. Just return it if you are not happy.
As a KRP-500m owner, seeing my friend's VT30 in a completely dark room and also with a backlight, the black levels in dark scenes were completely unacceptable. It bugged the hell out of me. Going from 0.0005 mll to 0.005 is very noticeable in the dark.

Now who has a 70" Elite in a basement in Denver? I wanna come check it out.

Originally Posted by pokekevin


Simply put. YES.

Originally Posted by TitusTroy

the audience votes from the Shootout have been tabulated and the winner is: Sharp Elite PRO-60X-5FD

looks like the VT30 finished 2nd...with the 59D8000 in 3rd place

Originally Posted by Ken Ross

Yes, I'll second that. I loved my Kuro for the 3+ years I've had it (still do), but I honestly feel the Elite presents a better image, more involving. In other words Kuro owners, it's OK to let go. We've had a suitable mourning period. This is not to say that some owners may feel differently, but I've tried to look at both pictures as objectively as I can, and aside from what appears to be very correctable color issues, I just find the Elite image deeper and more engaging. This takes nothing away from the Kuro, it's still amazing.

I'd also like to make another shout out to all Elite owners, do you have significant undersaturation issues in THX mode? I found that the shootout's Elite sample had a much lower overall saturation than mine does in the same THX mode, and this was with a lower setting on my color level than theirs. There is a day and night difference.between the saturation levels of green (as evidenced by watching sports) on my unit and theirs. But it's not just green, it's all colors.

I'm trying to get to the bottom of this and looking for a logical explanation. I would think that if most Elite owners had the levels of denaturation I saw in THX mode, we'd have heard about it. IMO this was not like the much more easily missed color of cyan. It's pretty obvious to anyone that when any sport you watch has very very pale greens, you have an undersaturation issue. Again, it wasn't just greens that were affected, it was everything.

Yet I've never heard an Elite owner mention this. So is their sample the oddball, mine or is there something else that I'm just missing?

Originally Posted by Ken Ross

Yes, I'll second that. I loved my Kuro for the 3+ years I've had it (still do), but I honestly feel the Elite presents a better image, more involving. In other words Kuro owners, it's OK to let go. We've had a suitable mourning period. This is not to say that some owners may feel differently, but I've tried to look at both pictures as objectively as I can, and aside from what appears to be very correctable color issues, I just find the Elite image deeper and more engaging. This takes nothing away from the Kuro, it's still amazing.

I'd also like to make another shout out to all Elite owners, do you have significant undersaturation issues in THX mode? I found that the shootout's Elite sample had a much lower overall saturation than mine does in the same THX mode, and this was with a lower setting on my color level than theirs. There is a day and night difference.between the saturation levels of green (as evidenced by watching sports) on my unit and theirs. But it's not just green, it's all colors.

I'm trying to get to the bottom of this and looking for a logical explanation. I would think that if most Elite owners had the levels of denaturation I saw in THX mode, we'd have heard about it. IMO this was not like the much more easily missed color of cyan. It's pretty obvious to anyone that when any sport you watch has very very pale greens, you have an undersaturation issue. Again, it wasn't just greens that were affected, it was everything.

Yet I've never heard an Elite owner mention this. So is their sample the oddball, mine or is there something else that I'm just missing?

Originally Posted by mnc

From the people who had their set calibrated, did the calibrator mention the problem with the colors? If it is fixed in an update, will the set need to be recalibrated?