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post #241 of 14509
doesn't the fist pic thx kind of look washed out
post #242 of 14509
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Originally Posted by HiFiFun View Post

So like dudes using your acute observational skills just how noticeable is the dirty screen effect (DSE) on the Elite?

I have it on mine(60") really disappointing on such a "elite" set. have case file open w/ Sharp. i mean elite customer support.lol
post #243 of 14509
I hate being ignorant, but I don't think that I understand what "dirty screen effect" looks like or what causes it...help anyone?
post #244 of 14509
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Originally Posted by tomboyter View Post

I hate being ignorant, but I don't think that I understand what "dirty screen effect" looks like or what causes it...help anyone?

Same boat as you. I was aware of a silk screen effect with dlp sets but have no idea what dse is.
post #245 of 14509
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

Nope, the picture was taken in Movie (THX) picture mode, so the yellow sub-pixel was not active.

I leaned on the Elite reps at CEDIA today on this topic. They said the THX mode DOES NOT turn off the yellow pixels. We looked at the screen with a magnifying glass and it backed up their statement.
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post #247 of 14509
It wouldn't make sense for them to disable something they are selling in other sets.
post #248 of 14509
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post


I have it on mine(60") really disappointing on such a "elite" set. have case file open w/ Sharp. i mean elite customer support.lol

Are you serious!? That's too bad.

Is it in the form of vertical or horizontal banding than can be seen on white or gray test patterns?
post #249 of 14509
If its only scene during "test patterns" it isn't problems. It's paranoia.
post #250 of 14509
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Originally Posted by HYMER DAXTER View Post

Moreover, why is it written in French on the packaging of Elites? Ago said in French:"Deux paires de lunettes 3D incluses"...I hope (and I'm not the only) that this screen will be released in europe

Most products sold in North America have French text on the box to accomodate the large French speaking population in Quebec, Canada. As for the US market Spanish would be a better choice of second language.
post #251 of 14509
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

If its only scene during "test patterns" it isn't problems. It's paranoia.

Test patterns in this case would show non uniformity in the panel that could be the cause of the DSE that the poster sees. DSE can be seen over content and can be distracting. Also, you don't need test paterns to see banding as there are many light colored scenes and or menus that will show it if its there.
post #252 of 14509
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Originally Posted by HiFiFun View Post

The native contrast is directly comparable to plasma, but with no limiting of the whites.

But don't forget your sunglasses.
post #253 of 14509
The following are the claims for the Sharp Elite 60 and 70 inch displays. In reality the Sharp 735 shares many of the them. In this post I will list all the claims. I will sort them to make the common and unique features in the following posts.

The claim:
Elite Features Overview

Intelligent Variable Contrast (IVC)
Technology developed specifically for Elite televisions, automatically controls brightness and backlight to create incredible depth of color
RGB+Y
In addition to the standard red/green/blue sub-pixel components, Elite LED LCD TVs add a yellow sub-pixel to create higher brightness with less power and to accurately depict vivid yellows and golds
Precision Color Plus
With four sub-pixels, Elite LED LCD TVs have smaller dots, creating more than 8 million dots per screen for a much smoother, more appealing and detailed image
FluidMotion
Combining an advanced 120Hz system with Elite's unique scanning backlight technology, creates a greater than 240 Hz effect, which improves picture clarity and smoothness in movies and sports contents
Gen 10 Panel
Uses Sharp's proprietary UV2A technology to achieve unprecedented high aperture levels, more than 20% higher than conventional LCD panels, enabling extreme high brightness
Full Array LED
A full array of Light Emitting Diodes are evenly dispersed behind a diffuser, resulting in more uniform and brighter lighting than an edge-lit LED TV
Local Dimming
Elite panels can dim or brighten individual zones, creating deep, inky blacks
Connectivity
Elite LED LCD TVs are fully connected, offering Netflix, CinemaNow, YouTube and Pandora, among many others
3D-Functionality
Features 3D technology and includes two sets of professional-grade 3D glasses
Elite Advantage Live
With unprecedented levels of customer support, purchasers can connect to the Elite Service Center to receive remote assistance via Wi-Fi or wired Ethernet

Both televisions are going to be available at select high-end retailers and custom installation companies. The Elite LED LCD TV 60" class will retail for $5,999 and the Elite LED LCD TV 70 class will retail for $8,499.
post #254 of 14509
Features common to the Sharp 735 and the Elites:
RGB+Y
In addition to the standard red/green/blue sub-pixel components, Elite LED LCD TVs add a yellow sub-pixel to create higher brightness with less power and to accurately depict vivid yellows and golds
Precision Color Plus
With four sub-pixels, Elite LED LCD TVs have smaller dots, creating more than 8 million dots per screen for a much smoother, more appealing and detailed image
FluidMotion
Combining an advanced 120Hz system with Elite’s unique scanning backlight technology, creates a greater than 240 Hz effect, which improves picture clarity and smoothness in movies and sports contents
Gen 10 Panel
Uses Sharp’s proprietary UV2A technology to achieve unprecedented high aperture levels, more than 20% higher than conventional LCD panels, enabling extreme high brightness
Full Array LED
A full array of Light Emitting Diodes are evenly dispersed behind a diffuser, resulting in more uniform and brighter lighting than an edge-lit LED TV
Connectivity
Sharp LED LCD TVs are fully connected, offering Netflix, CinemaNow, YouTube and Pandora, among many others
3D-Functionality
Features 3D technology and includes two sets of professional-grade 3D glasses
Service and Remote Diagnostics (Advantage Live)
With unprecedented levels of customer support, purchasers can connect to the Sharp Service Center to receive remote assistance via Wi-Fi or wired Ethernet

The 70" Sharp list for $4300 and is on sale for $3500. The Elite 70” is MSRP is $8,499.
post #255 of 14509
Unique Sharp Elite Features as Missing from the 70" Sharp 3D 735:

Intelligent Variable Contrast (IVC)
Technology developed specifically for Elite televisions, automatically controls brightness and backlight to create incredible depth of color
Local Dimming
Elite panels can dim or brighten individual zones, creating deep, inky blacks
Connectivity
post #256 of 14509
I went and viewed the 70" Elite. It replaced the former spot for the Sony 55" 929.
The other HDTVs were behind the seated viewers.

The dedicated Blu-ray source was carefully chosen and not showing on any other display. Sharp is pays for this privilege to prevent direct comparison to other displays (all showing the crappy house feed).

The Blu-ray had very little panning of scenes. Backgrounds were mostly out of focus. This helps to prevent observing screen non-uniformities (Dirty Screen Effect). However the Elites may be getting a binned panel. Pioneer claimed to do the same thing. There is probably more total LEDs than the 735 too.

However the Sharp main weakness and compared to the 735 is the hugely reflective glossy screen. All the other background displays were embarrassingly visible on the Elite. The reduced contrast prevented any critical analysis. This indicates that the Sharp 735 is much better suited to typically bright family rooms. The Elite is better suited for darkened rooms, which is a darn shame, as it has a very wide dynamic range. I think glossy screen is a fatal blow. Sharp threw the baby out with the bathwater!
post #257 of 14509
^
any other somewhat glossy set will do the exact same thing. I demoed an hx929 with a set directly behind it - it was unwatchable and most people agree that the Sony is very good with reflections.

You're also not going to convince many here that the 735 is the better buy.
post #258 of 14509
^better bang for the buck yes...but side by side no contest.
post #259 of 14509
Im pretty sure hifi has purchase envy of elite owners and has largely driven his my hyundai is almost as good as a mercedes comparison.

Sorry mate the in store reviews pouring in just dont back you up.
post #260 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Suzook View Post
Pioneer?

Does anyone know when BB's on the east coast are gonna the elites in? Mine still doesn't have any.
post #261 of 14509
Spiff, the 735 is the better buy if you need 2 or 3 of them.
post #262 of 14509
Having now seen the Elite I would say never get one of the top Samsungs because they make the Elite look like a Matte panel Also I think from this point on no top panels will be without reflections. You therefore will restrict yourself to the lower panels in the lineup.

I saw the 70" Elite playing Dark Knight and it does do blacks probably even better that my Kuro Elite. Especially when you consider as soon as the light hits the Kuro the blacks start to go grey. Overall it is a great set and want to to replace my 65c8000 with it, but not at the current prices. No way over 5K.
post #263 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Spiff69 View Post
^
any other somewhat glossy set will do the exact same thing. I demoed an hx929 with a set directly behind it - it was unwatchable and most people agree that the Sony is very good with reflections.

You're also not going to convince many here that the 735 is the better buy.
Exactly. The 735 is not the better buy. Won't ever be a better buy. It's just a big screen. That's it
post #264 of 14509
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post
Spiff, the 735 is the better buy if you need 2 or 3 of them.
Haha, you're right about that - I perhaps should have chosen different wording. There is no doubt that bang for the buck goes to the lower end Sharps. I think a 70" LCD for $3500 street is fantastic, but the Elite is clearly a better set and I would say by more than just by 10%. However, there is always diminishing returns on higher end equipment versus the rest of what's out there.
post #265 of 14509
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Originally Posted by saprano

Pioneer?

Does anyone know when BB's on the east coast are gonna the elites in? Mine still doesn't have any.
I had previously stated that I set the one up in my NY store. So they are here!!! Checked out the 3d today on the same disc that was running on the xbr forever and it seemed to blow the 929 out of the water in that aspect to me.
post #266 of 14509
I've been looking to swap my pro-111 for awhile due to lighting issues. The 50" actually dominates the room but after demoing the new elite I'm going to get the 60"
post #267 of 14509
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Originally Posted by HiFiFun View Post
I went and viewed the 70" Elite. It replaced the former spot for the Sony 55" 929.
The other HDTVs were behind the seated viewers.

The dedicated Blu-ray source was carefully chosen and not showing on any other display. Sharp is pays for this privilege to prevent direct comparison to other displays (all showing the crappy house feed).
Oh c'mon now HiFiFun, you're really way over the top now. If your BB/Magnolia is anything like those in the N.Y. area, you know very well that any TV placed in that spot gets 'the special feed not displayed on any other set'. It just so happens that the 929 was getting that 'special feed' prior to the Elite and before that in N.Y. it was a Panasonic.

The fact is that the placement of these sets is where there is a dedicated BD player that they hook up to the units placed there (ANY units). This is no 'conspiracy' between Sharp & BB.
post #268 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross

Oh c'mon now HiFiFun, you're really way over the top now. If your BB/Magnolia is anything like those in the N.Y. area, you know very well that any TV placed in that spot gets 'the special feed not displayed on any other set'. It just so happens that the 929 was getting that 'special feed' prior to the Elite and before that in N.Y. it was a Panasonic.

The fact is that the placement of these sets is where there is a dedicated BD player that they hook up to the units placed there (ANY units). This is no 'conspiracy' between Sharp & BB.
Pretty sure HiFiFun is just an elite Hater. lol. There is nothing he's said that backs up his claims other then thoughts. Maybe he bought the 735 and is trying to justify his purchase being "smarter" then getting an elite?
post #269 of 14509
Yeah complain about the feed and the associate will change it.. TRON looks amazing, black hawk down, despicable me, advent children, inception. ASK for a different demo.
post #270 of 14509
Yea if you were in my store I would have changed it for you.
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