Official Sharp Elite PRO-70X5 and 60X5 Owners Thread - Page 101

Originally Posted by Leon!


While your review may be a bit premature, I think Ken is okay with it staying up, for now. Everyone just needs to keep in mind that any perceived issues (clouding? flickering?) will likely be attributed to source, improper settings/setup, or faulty wiring in your house.

As far as the cyan "issue", this one is so insignificant that Ken himself was the only one to notice it initially, & even he has since confirmed that it's not a big deal. Viewers who see certain NFL jersey colors as being a shade off only see it this way because they already know what color those uniforms are supposed to be. Otherwise, this is not a problem AT ALL, and will be even less so once Sharp issues the fix for it.

Originally Posted by Leon!

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As far as the cyan "issue", this one is so insignificant that Ken himself was the only one to notice it initially, & even he has since confirmed that it's not a big deal. Viewers who see certain NFL jersey colors as being a shade off only see it this way because they already know what color those uniforms are supposed to be. Otherwise, this is not a problem AT ALL, and will be even less so once Sharp issues the fix for it.

Originally Posted by marky22

Which models are you speaking of? Would it be the Sharp 734 and 735? Question? do they have the same color software issue as the Elite?

Originally Posted by airgas1998

i wish pinktri would comment on wheather or not he sees the flickering on my set as i did. perhaps he's busy. we will hopefully be able to put this to rest once his outcome comes forth.

Originally Posted by Spiff69

Wait, I thought we decided on "pulsing"?

Originally Posted by pinktri

just a little update guys as I'm still in the process of comparing and getting things right, the change in color space to RGB has improved the washed out look. Also changed out the HDMI cable (don't know if this made a difference) but everything is looking vibrant! Will test some more (not much football on during the week) and update as I go a long.

Originally Posted by Glenee

Replaced all my HDMI cables with Blue Jeans BJC-Belden Series-FE 12 footers. Everything was better.

Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma

Well said, I guess its safe to say "you like"

Originally Posted by pinktri

just a little update guys as I'm still in the process of comparing and getting things right, the change in color space to RGB has improved the washed out look. Also changed out the HDMI cable (don't know if this made a difference) but everything is looking vibrant! Will test some more (not much football on during the week) and update as I go a long.

Originally Posted by ManWithAPlan

And Color Space toggling, that is the key to seeing if the problem goes away. Try RGB, try YCbCr4:2:2, and go with whatever looks better. Sometimes it is not clear cut which of the 2 is 'proper', because many sources take different liberties with it even when set the same as other sources. So compare/contrast and go with what looks best, period.

-Brian

Originally Posted by hhtatum

I have the 70" Elite and I am using Ken's settings with a few tweaks. I am using two of the "enhancement" settings. I know, blasphemy. First I have motion set to 120 low. It makes a big difference for me.

Originally Posted by Ken Ross

Brian, my hunch is also that it's the color space issue as opposed to the HDMI cable. I've never seen an HDMI cable swap out turn a drab picture into a vibrant one...but who knows?

Originally Posted by AZREOSpecialist

This is probably very basic information, but if there is an A/V receiver/switcher between your video component and the TV, make sure that AVR is set to pass-thru the signal without upscaling and also make sure it is set to the same color mode as all of your other components. I have a 5 year old Denon AVR that I've set to signal pass-thru mode (no scaling) and YCbCr color space.

Originally Posted by ERosenbrg

I use Fluid Motion enhancement all the time and love it.

But I keep Film Mode off (or sometimes on Standard) because that's what creates the Soap Opera Effect.

Still debating Local Dimming because of the weird background effects it can create on occasion, but without it I can't get those really deep blacks.

Originally Posted by pinktri

I believe it was the color space. Also airgas I have yet to see pulsing but like you said I've been busy with other things. Will give full update when I have more time

Originally Posted by ERosenbrg

I use Fluid Motion enhancement all the time and love it.

But I keep Film Mode off (or sometimes on Standard) because that's what creates the Soap Opera Effect.

Still debating Local Dimming because of the weird background effects it can create on occasion, but without it I can't get those really deep blacks.

Originally Posted by AZREOSpecialist

I think Airgas is right!

I was watching one of the CSI shows last night (the one with Big from Sex and the City) and during one of the questioning scenes, which took place in a dark room, the background started to shimmer WILDLY. The term "pulsing" isn't sufficient to describe what I witnessed. It was literally a shimmering, a dark shadowy area that seemed to snake up and down, back and forth in the dark background. This only occurred when half the screen was a dark, sold background (darker than middle gray) and there was a more brightly lit object on the opposite side of the screen. The dark shimmering was pretty wild to the point where the scene was almost unwatchable.

I disabled all the motion controls, as had solved what I thought was the same issue but in different content, and guess what? NO EFFECT! So I took Airgas' advice and turned off LD. Lo and behold - the shimmering disappeared! It would appear that what I saw before as the "pulsing" may not have been the same issue that Airgas was speaking of, at least not until last night.

If I had to guess, I'd say the LD logic gets confused when there is a large, featureless area of dark color with a solid object opposite. The software can't seem to decide whether or not it wants to dim that area. Also, after pausing the scene the shimmering would continue for a handful of seconds, after which, it settled down and the picture looked fine. But restarting the scene brought the shimmering back. It seems the software has trouble with certain scenes, and it takes a few seconds for the algorithm to determine which end is up.

I have had this set now for a couple of months and this is the first time I've seen the pulsing/shimmering with such severity, and where I could not solve the issue by turning off the motion controls. I am also using 5 year old HDMI cables on all of my components - I don't know if that has anything to do with it, or why that would affect scenes with a certain composition. I doubt that is the issue. All of my components feed through a 5 year old Denon AVR set to YCbCr colorspace and "pass-thru" for the video signal.

I would really like to capture a video of this happening, I don't know how useful a call to Elite support would be if I can't show them exactly what is happening.

Originally Posted by bigballermike99

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