Official Sharp Elite PRO-70X5 and 60X5 Owners Thread - Page 103

Originally Posted by pinktri

OK, PS3 connected with HDMI directly to input 1 on elite, court room scene from the dark knight on every AV mode and NOTHING WHATSOEVER on the walls. Went through the scene over 10 times. THX was adjusted using Ken's exact settings, all other av modes were default. Again no shimmer, shake, or fluctuation on the walls. Hope this helps.

Originally Posted by ManWithAPlan

Amen and hallelujah...the set ain't broken. As I suspected all along. I suspect folks had bad Color Space settings somewhere along the video path from source to destination. By connecting your PS3 directly to the Elite, you have proven the Elite out. The Elite itself is not the problem here. As you've proven. Now, the washed out colors is weird, something that deserves more troubleshooting. Can you reiterate what your Color Space settings are on the cable box that is delivering the football game???

-Brian

Originally Posted by airgas1998

i wouldn't call qdeo horrific.

Originally Posted by rogo

I would call the overall video section of the 809 horrific, not a specific chip or piece of it. The 100s of posts complaining about the darkening, the color issues, etc. on AVS alone speak volumes.

Originally Posted by Ken Ross

Have you tried routing the cable box directly to the Elite as you did with the PS3 (same cable, same input)? Is the washed out look seen on the Blu Ray you watched, cable shows, just ESPN (720p) or pretty much everything? Have you tried setting the cable box to a constant 1080i output?

Originally Posted by pinktri


HDMI is directly connected to the elite. Color space on my cable stb is set at RGB. I haven't had a chance to try other channels outside of espn because there's no football games on other channels yet. The best way I can explain the washed out look is taking a picture with too much flash, really takes color away from the field and the players uniforms. Maybe it's the nature of LCD/led and football viewing. Every other programming looks stunning.

Originally Posted by airgas1998


i would certainly jump on the colorspace bandwagon as being a possible issue, but i can't because even ota directly connected to the elite i had the same pulsing issues. ie; csi,2/1/2 men etc...

Originally Posted by JimP

pinktri....sounds like you are using RGB PC which is intended for a computer system rather than RGB for a video system.

Originally Posted by Spiff69

Doesn't this kind of sound like the low saturation issue that several are claiming to be related to the cyan issue?

Originally Posted by ManWithAPlan

Agreed. Pinktri, you really should NOT be using RGB, at least in the majority of sources I've seen on the Elite. Try YCbCr and tell us if it's any better. Also, turn off all video resolution processing in the cable box...you should send the Native resolution via HDMI, don't let the cable box upscale/deinterlace or anything. Some boxes will call it Native mode, where the native signal is passed without changing resolution to the TV. That's what you want, not a set resolution at all, but instead Native rate that will change as the broadcast signal changes from one channel to the next. Let the Elite do the processing of the virgin signal in your case (since I assume you don't have a top quality video processor in a receiver or some such thing). In this case, ESPN will get sent at 720p to the Elite, which will process it to the native rate of the set (1080p). NBC and CBS and many other channels are broadcast in 1080i, and those would be sent as is in Native mode to the Elite, which will have to deinterlace the 1080i and display the 1080p/60. Etc. etc. This will eliminate any artifacting that the cable box may be adding on its own. We generally don't want to trust the upscaling/deinterlacing of a cable box or DVR, as compared to the Elite or any other top quality TV circa 2011. Make sense?

Let us know those 2 items when you have tried them, and exactly what options show up under your HDMI or 'Video Output' settings on the cable box.

Thanks,
Brian

Originally Posted by pinktri


HDMI is directly connected to the elite. Color space on my cable stb is set at RGB. I haven't had a chance to try other channels outside of espn because there's no football games on other channels yet. The best way I can explain the washed out look is taking a picture with too much flash, really takes color away from the field and the players uniforms. Maybe it's the nature of LCD/led and football viewing. Every other programming looks stunning.

Originally Posted by Spiff69


Doesn't this kind of sound like the low saturation issue that several are claiming to be related to the cyan issue?

Originally Posted by ManWithAPlan


Agreed. Pinktri, you really should NOT be using RGB, at least in the majority of sources I've seen on the Elite. Try YCbCr and tell us if it's any better. Also, turn off all video resolution processing in the cable box...you should send the Native resolution via HDMI, don't let the cable box upscale/deinterlace or anything. Some boxes will call it Native mode, where the native signal is passed without changing resolution to the TV. That's what you want, not a set resolution at all, but instead Native rate that will change as the broadcast signal changes from one channel to the next. Let the Elite do the processing of the virgin signal in your case (since I assume you don't have a top quality video processor in a receiver or some such thing). In this case, ESPN will get sent at 720p to the Elite, which will process it to the native rate of the set (1080p). NBC and CBS and many other channels are broadcast in 1080i, and those would be sent as is in Native mode to the Elite, which will have to deinterlace the 1080i and display the 1080p/60. Etc. etc. This will eliminate any artifacting that the cable box may be adding on its own. We generally don't want to trust the upscaling/deinterlacing of a cable box or DVR, as compared to the Elite or any other top quality TV circa 2011. Make sense?

Let us know those 2 items when you have tried them, and exactly what options show up under your HDMI or 'Video Output' settings on the cable box.

Thanks,
Brian

Originally Posted by Ken Ross

If everything else is stunning, I'd say you have no issues. The variability in broadcast quality can be just as 'stunning' as the quality of the Elite's picture. I can watch one game on the YES network and see a stunning picture with lush greens and then switch to a different game on a different channel and see a mediocre broadcast.

I've always found ESPN's broadcasts to be very variable in quality (as they've been on my Kuro too) and a channel like YES to be very consistently high quality. You can only judge overall PQ with multiple sources and multiple channels. If you've ever read reviews on Blu Ray movies, even they're all over the map on PQ...even on a parameter like color saturation.

You might also want to try setting your box to a fixed 1080i output and see how that looks.

Originally Posted by Ken Ross

Brian, I thought he had already used 'native' output on the STB, but maybe that was another poster. The only problem using native output IMO, is the constant resynching the display must go through as you cycle from a 1080i channel to a 720p channel and back again. Historically I've found this flashing and delay annoying enough, that I've set my boxes to a fixed 1080i output and I've been happy. I'm not sure if it's the fact that the Motorola STB have decent enough scaling, but the slight difference in PQ between letting my Kuro/Elite do the conversion on 720p>1080p vs the STB, is not worth the annoyance for me of the delay & flashing. I know others feel differently, so it's just how it hits you.

For color space, I agree, I've always used YCbCr on all my non-PC components.

Originally Posted by pinktri

Here's a really poor action shot from last night but you can see in the middle of the screen it's really white or high contrast looking. When viewed from my other tv there is no hint of this and the field, uniforms and helmets look deep.

Originally Posted by BFJ 96

LED are meant to be brighter, hence why it would look different. I have followed the last couple of pages & you mentioned RGB. Does the Elite have a RGB Setting?

Originally Posted by pinktri

changing the topic for a second can anyone help me out? When using the apps such as youtube or netflix, how do you guys deal with audio when using an AVR. Do you use the optical audio out to an input on the AVR and switch the input on the AVR every time you use an app? Is there a better method? Also if I use the mini jack out on the elite to an analog cable on my AVR will it be 2.1 or will I be able to use my center channel 3.1?

Originally Posted by pinktri

Big thanks Brian, maybe its time to upgrade my AVR! man it never stops!

Originally Posted by pinktri

OK, PS3 connected with HDMI directly to input 1 on elite, court room scene from the dark knight on every AV mode and NOTHING WHATSOEVER on the walls. Went through the scene over 10 times. THX was adjusted using Ken's exact settings, all other av modes were default. Again no shimmer, shake, or fluctuation on the walls. Hope this helps.

Originally Posted by AZREOSpecialist

Would you mind trying the same test, but using another video mode like Elite Pure?

Originally Posted by pinktri

HDMI is directly connected to the elite. Color space on my cable stb is set at RGB. I haven't had a chance to try other channels outside of espn because there's no football games on other channels yet. The best way I can explain the washed out look is taking a picture with too much flash, really takes color away from the field and the players uniforms. Maybe it's the nature of LCD/led and football viewing. Every other programming looks stunning.

Originally Posted by pinktri

Set top box is set at native with all the reso options checked. I changed back to YCbCr 444 and there's no difference. Earlier I thought the image improved but I did not try it with football footage, now I can see the switch to RGB and and new HDmI cable made no difference. I believe it's the cyan issue as all other channels and even sports center look fantastic

Originally Posted by ManWithAPlan

Yeah, I agree, there is the drawback of requiring a new HDMI signal sync every time you change channel. I was more focused on isolating this problem that he is seeing manifested during ESPN football games, not so much saying that he has to leave it that way long term. Just trying to see if we can isolate the issue. Long term, I agree that it's annoying to have the delay of HDMI sync each time the channel change changes rez. But that call can be made *after* determining if he can improve his situation picture quality wise with this apparent 'washed out' issue.

I'll admit, I'm fairly stumped by this latest issue, but trial and error will be the only way to discover the root cause.

-Brian

Originally Posted by AZREOSpecialist

Would you mind trying the same test, but using another video mode like Elite Pure?

Originally Posted by AZREOSpecialist

I believe your YCbCr should be set to 4/2/2.