Official Sharp Elite PRO-70X5 and 60X5 Owners Thread - Page 105

Originally Posted by cf181user

Thanks Ken!
What about links on calibration. I saw a episode on Tekzilla, where they compared a few models, including the new Elite, VT30, D8000 and few others. I believe overall they said the D8000 was the winner. A couple of the calibrators said that the display had color issue, which are mentioned in the thread.

But like you said, PQ is in the eye's of the ones doing the viewing. Which is all I care about. Not interested in 3D or the whole smartTV thing. In your opinion on a scale of 1-10 how much better is the overall PQ compared to a 151.... and was that quality worth upgrading to the Sharp? PQ only!

Originally Posted by cf181user

What does that mean in my price range? I just said for the price not for my price.

Originally Posted by ManWithAPlan

Nahh, not unusable at all. Maybe it has something to do with my Anthem D2V in between. But my channel changing from DirecTV DVR's in Native mode, and Tivo Series3 for cable in native mode, are very fast.

Originally Posted by rogo

Are you sure it's actually changing output resolution? I find the DirecTV unit completely unusable in native mode. I have a Sony ES in between, for what it's worth. The re-sync time is ludicrous.

Originally Posted by fatuglyguy

FWIW, when I had DirecTV (using an HR21), native mode was reasonably fast for me most of the time, and the picture looked great -- now that I have Dish I really miss native mode. I have my Sharp set to 1080i and it looks noticeably worse than when I had Direct.

Originally Posted by jd_alpha

Well, I'm finally going to see an Elite 60 inch "in-the-flesh" at a retailer this weekend (they're just starting to show up now in Toronto)! Thanks to all of you owners who've been posting here - I think I'll be much better prepared about what to look for. I'm still kind of on the fence between the 70" Elite and the 65" Sony HX929. I'm upgrading from a Samsung LN52A650 and I've been pretty satisfied with that TV's PQ, but want a bigger screen, etc. It's too bad the results of the shootout were so controversial/confusing, but my take on it is that the Sony really wasn't performing at its best due to issues with its set up?

Here's a dumb question: Is there any Elite owner out there who has had NO issues with the TV whatsoever?

There's been a cyan colour issue that has been confirmed objectively through measurements, but appears to be only minor in terms of real world viewing? A software fix has also been promised for the problem? The pulsating background has been observed by many (all?) owners, but with a lot of variability (different picture modes, etc.) and to greater/lesser degrees? And one owner has complained of a "washed-out" look, but not with all content? Does that about cover it?

I have to admit that my head has been spinning over these recent posts about colour spaces and output resolutions and the impact on the PQ. I hope I won't feel the need to change all my components and cables once I have a new TV. I think I'm going to be stuck with a Cisco/Scientific Atlanta 8300HD STB from my cable provider for a lot of my viewing. Please tell me it doesn't suck!

Anyway - if I notice anything interesting with the TV I'll report back.

JD

Originally Posted by pinktri

Yeah this ghosting was the main reason why I steered away from LCD/LED tech but the elite is pretty damn good. not quite as good as a plasma but very close. when watching sports a plasma feels more like a tube tv while the elite feels more like my computer screen.

Originally Posted by Ken Ross

I'd say the quality of the Kuro is a 9 and the Elite a 9.5. But there are other things like 'punch' that are more difficult to factor in to PQ. The Elite has considerably more punch than the Kuro, so some might find a greater difference between the two.

In my mind, yes, it was definitely worth the upgrade and I'd do it again in a second. BTW, I too could care less about 3D.

Originally Posted by TitusTroy


as a worst case scenario lets say that Sharp doesn't come out with a fix for the color issue...will you still be happy with the Elite?

as far as the color fix, the fact that there is no news at all coming from anyone scares me a bit...I'm starting to think that it might not be fixed until next year's models

Originally Posted by ManWithAPlan

Oh god, I couldn't disagree more. Sorry pinktri, but there's something either wrong with your set, or your system is misconfigured. I owned the Sony Qualia 006, which had the most amazingly clear and lifelike motion I've ever seen on a set, and I can honestly say the Elite is at the same level of fluidity. I use ISF calibrated modes (ISF Day and ISF Night), after having Ed Johnson calibrate it. He did an excellent job, and aside from the 'cyan issue' which I don't notice at all btw, and have never been able to duplicate, the tuning that Ed did with these modes is rock solid. Now, I may want to have him re-cal it for "more accurate color" when the cyan issue is fixed, but frankly I'm not even convinced of that, and I'm happy to spend the money on these things. But in regards to sports viewing and motion in particular in all viewing, action scenes in movies, etc., this is the equal of a Qualia, no doubt about it. I have seen plenty of plasmas, and they are great for motion, but no better than my Elite.

Sorry, had to be said.

-Brian

Originally Posted by pinktri

no apologies needed B, to each his own. I don't believe theres anything wrong with my set since everything but sports look better than my plasma sets. I agree maybe a calibration is needed but if you're talking straight motion, sports viewing, and gaming my plasma screens definitely handles better. Hard to put into words but its more natural and easier on my eyes. Another thing I'm still trying to adjust to is off axis viewing.

Originally Posted by ManWithAPlan

Have you tried Game mode on the Elite??? It's ridiculously fast and smooth. And I watch off-axis at time from one of our seats in the living room and it's literally past 45 degrees off center, and the viewing, while not ideal, is fine. If I'm doing any critical viewing, movies etc. I'll sit more or less dead on straight at it and use ISF Night or Day. Not sure what is going on with yours.

-Brian

Originally Posted by pinktri

nothing going on with mine, like I said, this is my first LED and it takes some getting used to. I could watch my plasma from any angle without a shift. You said it right there, even at 45 degrees it's not ideal, I agree!

Originally Posted by Spiff69


You're obviously not researching a whole lot . The fix is coming within a few weeks by most accounts. They already fixed the ir issue, so they definitely are working to better things.

Originally Posted by N3W813

Not sure if this is an issue or just how it is....

Last night when I was configuring the brightness and contrast settings with AVSHD through my PS3, I noticed something when viewing the 0-255 gray ramp pattern. When you cycle through the different "Intelligent Variable Contrast" settings (LD) when the pattern is displayed, you can clearly see the ramps fluctuating in luminance. It takes almost 1-2 seconds for the set to "settle" when the setting is changed. I know the set is probably going through its algorithms trying to figure out the local dimming settings but 1-2 seconds seems kind of long to me. This is evident in regular TV viewing also. When there is a scene with a dim background, you can see the background fluctuating.

I guess this is similar to my SXRD RPTV dynamic iris setting. The set opens and closes the iris depending on the brightness of the scene.

Not sure if this is related to the fluctuating/vibrating issue that other members are talking about....

Originally Posted by TitusTroy


as a worst case scenario lets say that Sharp doesn't come out with a fix for the color issue...will you still be happy with the Elite?

as far as the color fix, the fact that there is no news at all coming from anyone scares me a bit...I'm starting to think that it might not be fixed until next year's models

Originally Posted by airgas1998

this is the pulsing everybody is talking about...

Originally Posted by ManWithAPlan

I"m talking past 45 degrees, nearly sidewise to the screen, nearly 80 degrees if you want to be exact. That's where it's not ideal, literally almost sidewise to the screen in my case for the one "fireplace" seat in the room that's like that. I guess I didn't realize that critical viewing can be expected to be great at 70 or 80 degrees off axis...but perhaps with plasma you get that, that's great. I wouldn't accept the other trade-offs of plasma over the advantages the Elite brings, but I guess I see your point a bit better now. Interesting.

Originally Posted by ManWithAPlan

I"m talking past 45 degrees, nearly sidewise to the screen, nearly 80 degrees if you want to be exact. That's where it's not ideal, literally almost sidewise to the screen in my case for the one "fireplace" seat in the room that's like that. I guess I didn't realize that critical viewing can be expected to be great at 70 or 80 degrees off axis...but perhaps with plasma you get that, that's great. I wouldn't accept the other trade-offs of plasma over the advantages the Elite brings, but I guess I see your point a bit better now. Interesting.

-Brian

Originally Posted by HTguru3

Although off angle viewing isn't ever to likely be a deal breaker for me, your minimization of the issue isn't very realistic. In every review and at the shootout LCD panels are often judged poorly for off angle viewing and no, that doesn't mean almost sideways to the set. Why do you think it's so often brought up? It's just an inherent fact of the technology. If it doesn't bother you then that's great but if you're at a reasonable sitting spot off angle your picture isn't going to be as good as dead on. That's another fact.

Originally Posted by jd_alpha

Well, I'm finally going to see an Elite 60 inch "in-the-flesh" at a retailer this weekend (they're just starting to show up now in Toronto)! Thanks to all of you owners who've been posting here - I think I'll be much better prepared about what to look for. I'm still kind of on the fence between the 70" Elite and the 65" Sony HX929. I'm upgrading from a Samsung LN52A650 and I've been pretty satisfied with that TV's PQ, but want a bigger screen, etc. It's too bad the results of the shootout were so controversial/confusing, but my take on it is that the Sony really wasn't performing at its best due to issues with its set up?

Here's a dumb question: Is there any Elite owner out there who has had NO issues with the TV whatsoever?

There's been a cyan colour issue that has been confirmed objectively through measurements, but appears to be only minor in terms of real world viewing? A software fix has also been promised for the problem? The pulsating background has been observed by many (all?) owners, but with a lot of variability (different picture modes, etc.) and to greater/lesser degrees? And one owner has complained of a "washed-out" look, but not with all content? Does that about cover it?

I have to admit that my head has been spinning over these recent posts about colour spaces and output resolutions and the impact on the PQ. I hope I won't feel the need to change all my components and cables once I have a new TV. I think I'm going to be stuck with a Cisco/Scientific Atlanta 8300HD STB from my cable provider for a lot of my viewing. Please tell me it doesn't suck!

Anyway - if I notice anything interesting with the TV I'll report back.

JD