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post #4801 of 13287
12/21/11 at 8:11am
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Originally Posted by specuvestor View Post

You obviously explained it much better I'm indeed saying physiologically some see 60Hz flicker, DSE and plasma trails when others don't. There are also those that say they see SDE at 6' for 720p TV.

It's both a gift and a curse I guess

Problem is how "motivated" is Sharp to fix something that few see. They have to weigh their cost/ benefit. It is not as clear cut as the cyan issue.

For me, this seems to manifest differently based upon the source material. Watching Step Brothers last night I noticed a few instances where there would be small areas of the screen (< 6" x 6") that would flicker rapidly. It reminded me of when the bulb was going in my old Sony RPTV. I could certainly believe that some people could notice this and some could not (like florescent light or monitor flicker)

Other times, like the videos I posted, its a much slower variation in the background brightness. Almost like random noise. I don't know as if I'd say as low as 2Hz, but I'd agree it probably is under 10-20Hz. It may be coincidence but these seem to be areas larger in size (1/8-1/2 of screen).

I could also believe that once you notice it, you pick up on it more frequently. Sadly I've seen it in every DVD/BR I've watched over the past week. It's impossible to get into a movie when you have to stop to turn LD off, and I'm sending the set back if LD has to stay off.
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12/21/11 at 8:16am
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

That's precisely the problem when an issue like this is beaten to death. The Elite has what can only be described as an outstanding picture. Yet someone reading these threads one would think it's almost incapable of producing a picture at all!

Until Sharp fixes the problem it hasn't been beaten enough. Be thankful you have a mode where you can enjoy your TV...not all of us are so lucky.
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post #4803 of 13287
12/21/11 at 8:25am
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Originally Posted by Wizziwig View Post


But I can't stand DLP rainbows or Plasma phosphor lag. Nobody else in my family could see those DLP/Plasma issues

The plasma yellow flashes? I thought only I had that superpower. Glad(?) to see I'm not alone
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post #4804 of 13287
12/21/11 at 9:16am
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Originally Posted by mnc View Post

I keep checking in on this thread as I have decided to purchase either the 60" Elite or a 65VT50 next year. All anyone seems to talk about in this thread is the pulsing backgrounds. It is starting to remind me of the DLP rainbows, either you see them or you don't.

I have been considering the same thing and just ordered the 60" Elite. My reasoning was the VT50 will likely not hit the street until around April/May. Then we wait another month or so for reviews to appear and to find out what new bugs (if any) Panasonic has introduced. Then another couple months after that for the bugs to be fixed, and we are just about back where we started.

I suspect the price delta between the Elite now and the VT50 at release will be minimal also.
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post #4805 of 13287
12/21/11 at 9:41am
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Originally Posted by Weaselboy View Post

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I suspect the price delta between the Elite now and the VT50 at release will be minimal also.


Problem with that is would you be comparing the 65" VT50 to a 60" or 70" Elite?
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post #4806 of 13287
12/21/11 at 9:46am
My sister has a Panasonic plasma - not sure what model, but it didn't strike me as a "premium" or super high end model. Since I was a guest in her house, I did not fiddle with her video settings. One night we watched Jumanji at her house. I noticed the same "pulsing" issue on her Panasonic plasma consistently throughout the film in certain scenes. I don't know if this is something that was in the original source material - I had nothing else to compare it to - but I thought it was interesting. She must also not have it set very accurately since her "blacks" are more like a dark grey.

After updating my THX mode with the CNET calibration settings, I am liking THX mode much more than I did before. I use this mode for most of my viewing, and the pulsing is now a non-issue for me in THX mode. And when you do see it, it's so minor that it's barely noticeable unless you know what to look for. It's kind of like those DLP rainbows... Most people wouldn't notice the "rainbow effect", including myself, but once I knew about it and know how to look for it, I could easily reproduce it.
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post #4807 of 13287
12/21/11 at 9:57am
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Problem with that is would you be comparing the 65" VT50 to a 60" or 70" Elite?

I said 60" right in my post.

Now you can reply that is not a valid comparison.
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post #4808 of 13287
12/21/11 at 10:12am
I pity the poor AV consumer who is dutifully doing his research in trying to pick the best TV, and somehow stumbles upon this forum. He would probably turn tail and run the other way from the Elite as fast as he could. I believe the true story is that a vast majority of Elite owners are incredibly happy with their purchase, and have none (or to a very small degree) of the problems that dominate this forum. If this weren't the case then Sharp would be in the process of a recall to correct their mistakes, or there would be some other obvious action. It seems that the scenes or situations that cause the flickering, pulsing, strobing, or whatever you want to call it are cherry-picked, and then become representative of the way that the Elite handles all scenes with dark, blank walls or any other set of conditions that can confuse LD. At least with my Elite this is not the case. I have looked at the USB files posted by Wizziwig and yes, several times I saw the background flicker a bit in a non-THX mode, but that was the only time I have ever seen it. Since I'm currently using the Cnet settings (with color and contrast given a little boost), my normal viewing apparently isn't susceptible to whatever perfect storm of settings and scenes cause the pulsing, or my set is immune to it. If the problem isn't visible in THX mode, then why not just watch everything in that mode and not go looking for trouble? If there is no mode or acceptable combination of settings that will eliminate the problem, then you have my sympathy and you need to put the hammer down with Sharp or your dealer. When the color fix is released, I will call my calibrator back in to finish the job that he started before we realized that l had a defective panel (which Sharp replaced), and then if I can't use the ISF mode without seeing the pulsing, I will change my tune. I think the odds of that happening are pretty remote, but I will keep an open mind.
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post #4809 of 13287
12/21/11 at 10:17am
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Originally Posted by Wizziwig View Post

Fair enough... I wasn't trying to accuse you of anything. I wish I didn't see it either. But it's still hard to understand how moving a TV to a different home somehow cures this problem. I think it's far more likely that it's either your perception or settings are somehow different from those of airgas1998.

Hmm... something else just occurred to me. What are you using as your video source for the TV? Some devices output RGB over HDMI while others use YCbCr. Also, I've been watching mostly 1080i stuff recorded on my DVR, maybe the issue is less severe on other signals? But that would not explain why you don't see it on the USB input since that should be the same on all TV's.



The brain is indeed a mystery. I'm actually not bothered by fluorescent lights or the old 60hz CRT's. But I can't stand DLP rainbows or Plasma phosphor lag. Nobody else in my family could see those DLP/Plasma issues but they all see the Elite pulsing so it didn't seem like the same type of problem. I also performed a factory reset on each of the 3 Elite TV's I tested (to make sure they all used same settings) and saw no difference in the pulsing at all. This makes it hard to believe there are sets out there without the issue - unless all 3 TV's were from the same "defective" batch received by my MHT. Wish there were more stores selling these things but I've only seen them at MHT here in orange county, CA.

-Mark


I am with you. I tend to believe it is there on every set. The only factor that makes me pause is KEN. The fact that he can see it on all modes but not in THX AND is using the exact same settings as me, is BAFFLING!

I would also like to trust pinktri, as he seems very knowledgable and experienced, but I dont know what settings he uses. If one turns LD off, watches during the day, sticks to football and American Chopper you will NEVER see it. If you use IVC you will almost never see it.

For ANYONE who has never seen the pulsing and have access to Starz, watch the season finale of Boss. It is by far the worst case I have come across and it happens in multiple sceens. Use CNET settings and make sure LD on (no IVC). If you still dont see it then you are either BLIND or the rest of us have DEFECTIVE sets. Ultimately, this is the answer we are looking for. Do some (most) of us have technical issues with our TVs?

Quick note on my current settings. I am using CNET settings with four changes. IVC low. Contrast +28. Brightnes -4. Color +2. I am as happy with these settings as any I have used and I have seen little to no pulsing. In the past, I just couldnt find the right combo using IVC but, for me, this is it.

I am still VERY motivated to get an answer to the pulsing issue but please try these settings if you are frustrated and see how they work for you.
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post #4810 of 13287
12/21/11 at 12:42pm
This "pulsing" issue, or "background brightness fluctuation" as I like to call it for accuracy sake, involves many variables. There is some "tipping point" at which the problem manifests itself, through various combinations of LD and contrast settings, but only in certain video modes - the most notable offender appears to be Elite Pure. This is why one person can see the problem on a specific unit, but then moving that unit to another house eliminates the problem. Why? Because everyone has slightly different picture settings. Even when watching the same content, there may be contrast and brightness variations depending on the AVR used, Dish vs. DirecTV, DVR vs. set top box, Oppo vs. PS3 vs. Denon Blu-Ray (not to mention possible image settings on those devices), etc.

While I may see the background fluctuation in Elite Pure watching CSI on Dish Network, someone watching CSI on DirecTV or Dish Network (using a different DVR or set top box) may not see it at all, even with the same video settings, if the video entering the TV was processed differently than it was on my end. Combine this with a multitude of variations in the Elite's video settings and you quickly start to realize how random this problem can appear to be, and how difficult it is to track down.

A workaround to those who can reproduce this issue is to watch your content using THX Movie mode. I'm using the CNET calibration settings with one change - color increased to +4 - and THX Movie mode is perfectly pleasing and offers a stunning image. Prior to the CNET settings, I didn't like THX mode - it felt flat and lacking contrast. That's no longer the case thanks to CNET.

Does the Elite have a hidden service menu? If so, how do we access this menu? I'm curious if there is an obscure setting in the service menu that may affect this issue.
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post #4811 of 13287
12/21/11 at 1:00pm
Also keep in mind that adjust grayscale's cuts and gains will have the same effect as brightness and contrast adjustments.
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post #4812 of 13287
12/21/11 at 1:31pm
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Also keep in mind that adjust grayscale's cuts and gains will have the same effect as brightness and contrast adjustments.

That's why you try to avoid changing green.
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post #4813 of 13287
12/21/11 at 3:35pm
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Originally Posted by AZREOSpecialist View Post


A workaround to those who can reproduce this issue is to watch your content using THX Movie mode. I'm using the CNET calibration settings with one change - color increased to +4 - and THX Movie mode is perfectly pleasing and offers a stunning image. Prior to the CNET settings, I didn't like THX mode - it felt flat and lacking contrast. That's no longer the case thanks to CNET.

A work around for _some_ is to use THX Movie Mode... I'm using the exact same settings you are and I still see the problem.

Settings that include putting the dimming to IVC low seem to make the problem less apparent, but doesn't eliminate the problem. I also have to say I don't like the picture as much.
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post #4814 of 13287
12/21/11 at 4:11pm
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Originally Posted by frottage View Post

The plasma yellow flashes? I thought only I had that superpower. Glad(?) to see I'm not alone

Yup, that's it exactly. Yellow flashes right next to any bright objects on darker backgrounds. I feel like I'm cursed. I really loved the Panasonic plasma and would not even be in this thread if it weren't for those damn flashes. I even had 3 other people sitting next to me and none could see them, even when I pointed them out. I briefly had it side by side with the Elite and although the black levels were definitely better on the Elite, it wasn't a gigantic difference once your eyes adjusted to the dark room. Both screens appeared slightly gray. Of course the Elite brightness on whites was blinding - no plasma can compete with that. It makes the blacks appear even darker as a result.

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Originally Posted by hhtatum View Post

For ANYONE who has never seen the pulsing and have access to Starz, watch the season finale of Boss. It is by far the worst case I have come across and it happens in multiple sceens. Use CNET settings and make sure LD on (no IVC). If you still dont see it then you are either BLIND or the rest of us have DEFECTIVE sets. Ultimately, this is the answer we are looking for. Do some (most) of us have technical issues with our TVs?

Quick note on my current settings. I am using CNET settings with four changes. IVC low. Contrast +28. Brightnes -4. Color +2. I am as happy with these settings as any I have used and I have seen little to no pulsing. In the past, I just couldnt find the right combo using IVC but, for me, this is it.

I am still VERY motivated to get an answer to the pulsing issue but please try these settings if you are frustrated and see how they work for you.

I'll give your settings a shot but I've already been through a lot of experimentation and nothing really eliminated the issue to my satisfaction. And any settings that made an improvement tended to reduce the overall picture quality so no worth the tradeoff. I've never watched Boss but I have a sub to Starz and will try to check it out. If it pulses worse than that clip from "The American", I'll try to upload a sample for others to test.

-Mark
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post #4815 of 13287
12/21/11 at 4:46pm
I used Ken's settings for the first 2-3 weeks for both cable and bluray but now use elite pure for cable viewing and THX (cnet) for bluray. Again, I have not seen the pulsing yet. For both elites I go directly from my motorola DCX-3400 to the elite. I'm using RGB on the 60 and 4:4:4 on the 70 (trying to test any differences). For bluray I use a ps3 directly connected to the elite, one ps3 is the older fat version and the other is a slim.
I'm now using my own settings (elite pure) for cable viewing as I wanted a little more pop. Here's my settings which I'm using for cable viewing:

ELITE PURE
Local Dimming- On
OPC- Off
Backlight- -2
Contrast +29
Brightness (-5)
Color -5
Tint 0
Sharpness +2

CMS Hue:
R (0)
Y 0
G 0
C (5)
B 0
M 0

CMS Saturation:
(all others at default)

CMS Value:
(all others at default)

Color Temp:
LOW

Motion Setting: Off

Precision Color: Off

Active Contrast: Off

Film: Off

DNR: Low
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post #4816 of 13287
12/21/11 at 4:54pm
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Originally Posted by hhtatum View Post


I am with you. I tend to believe it is there on every set. The only factor that makes me pause is KEN. The fact that he can see it on all modes but not in THX AND is using the exact same settings as me, is BAFFLING!

I would also like to trust pinktri, as he seems very knowledgable and experienced, but I dont know what settings he uses. If one turns LD off, watches during the day, sticks to football and American Chopper you will NEVER see it. If you use IVC you will almost never see it.

For ANYONE who has never seen the pulsing and have access to Starz, watch the season finale of Boss. It is by far the worst case I have come across and it happens in multiple sceens. Use CNET settings and make sure LD on (no IVC). If you still dont see it then you are either BLIND or the rest of us have DEFECTIVE sets. Ultimately, this is the answer we are looking for. Do some (most) of us have technical issues with our TVs?

Quick note on my current settings. I am using CNET settings with four changes. IVC low. Contrast +28. Brightnes -4. Color +2. I am as happy with these settings as any I have used and I have seen little to no pulsing. In the past, I just couldnt find the right combo using IVC but, for me, this is it.

I am still VERY motivated to get an answer to the pulsing issue but please try these settings if you are frustrated and see how they work for you.

I've been trying the IVC low with motion enhancement to fluid motion and film mode off. The extra brightness from IVC low gets sort of cancelled out by the black frame insertion of fluid motion. It reduces the LD fluttering. I haven't had a chance to tweak around my contrast and brightness yet so any impressions and suggestions at always appreciated. Of course a complete fix so I could just use LD instead would be better. In my opinion, I live this set EXCEPT for the LD flutter. I could care less about the cyan fix. I'd take the color it has if the solid shaded backgrounds were....solid.
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post #4817 of 13287
12/21/11 at 5:01pm
Come on folks this is getting ridiculous with the hammering away of this display. I have been needing to replace my Kuro 151 for the past year due to a crack in the bottom left hand corner of the screen. After reading the glowing expert reports (outside of the correctable cyan issue) I went ahead and purchased this display over the weekend. I fully intend on inserting the Cnet settings (temporarily of course) until I have Chad B calibrate my set in February. Will I find issues during that time, who knows but I will definitely be looking forward to having an expert in the field look for the beaten to death pulsing issue.

Speaking of ISF calibration has any expert in the field found this issue and if so has it been corrected during the calibration.
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post #4818 of 13287
12/21/11 at 5:32pm
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Originally Posted by InsidiousFix View Post

I'm in oc also. I've been to a few smaller specialty stores that also have them. More out in la of course. But there is a store on beach blvd in Westminster. It's off the same street as the court and Sam ash music if memory serves me.

You must be thinking of audiovideotoday. I forgot about that place. I see from their website that they indeed have the Elite for sale. Maybe I'll try to make my way over there in the next few days to see if theirs performs any different from the MHT/BestBuy display models.
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post #4819 of 13287
12/21/11 at 5:38pm
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Originally Posted by Wizziwig View Post


You must be thinking of audiovideotoday. I forgot about that place. I see from their website that they indeed have the Elite for sale. Maybe I'll try to make my way over there in the next few days to see if theirs performs any different from the MHT/BestBuy display models.

Yes. You should. I went there a month ago and they had sold their floor model. They said they would be getting a new one in a week or so. Should be in by now.
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post #4820 of 13287
12/21/11 at 5:47pm
Anybody watched a hockey game on the new Elite? Curious how the white ice looks as well as the high camera which covers a bigger view and quite often, a too bright washed out look.
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post #4821 of 13287
12/21/11 at 5:49pm
so now the latest timeline for the color fix is mid January

something is obviously not right...these dates keep getting pushed further and further back...one minute the firmware is in legal pending release another minute it's delayed 3 weeks...I'm beginning to think that this 'fix' might only be made available if Sharp releases another Elite model line in 2012

**same way the color decoding issues on the VT30 could not be fixed via firmware the same probably holds true with the Elite
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post #4822 of 13287
12/21/11 at 6:01pm
CES days away, will be interesting to see what new Elites for 2012.
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post #4823 of 13287
12/21/11 at 6:03pm
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

so now the latest timeline for the color fix is mid January

something is obviously not right...these dates keep getting pushed further and further back...one minute the firmware is in legal pending release another minute it's delayed 3 weeks...I'm beginning to think that this 'fix' might only be made available if Sharp releases another Elite model line in 2012

**same way the color decoding issues on the VT30 could not be fixed via firmware the same probably holds true with the Elite

I think the whole color issue is blown out of proportion. Compared to the pulsing and DSE, it is not even on my radar. I've got a couple other calibrated displays around the house and nothing horribly wrong stood out to me about the Elite colors. Of course each person has different priorities and some might feel as passionate about color as some of us do about the pulsing issue. Here's to hoping they bundle a pulsing fix into that color fixing firmware.
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post #4824 of 13287
12/21/11 at 6:52pm
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Originally Posted by bhudleson View Post

I pity the poor AV consumer who is dutifully doing his research in trying to pick the best TV, and somehow stumbles upon this forum. He would probably turn tail and run the other way from the Elite as fast as he could. I believe the true story is that a vast majority of Elite owners are incredibly happy with their purchase, and have none (or to a very small degree) of the problems that dominate this forum. If this weren't the case then Sharp would be in the process of a recall to correct their mistakes, or there would be some other obvious action. It seems that the scenes or situations that cause the flickering, pulsing, strobing, or whatever you want to call it are cherry-picked, and then become representative of the way that the Elite handles all scenes with dark, blank walls or any other set of conditions that can confuse LD. At least with my Elite this is not the case. I have looked at the USB files posted by Wizziwig and yes, several times I saw the background flicker a bit in a non-THX mode, but that was the only time I have ever seen it. Since I'm currently using the Cnet settings (with color and contrast given a little boost), my normal viewing apparently isn't susceptible to whatever perfect storm of settings and scenes cause the pulsing, or my set is immune to it. If the problem isn't visible in THX mode, then why not just watch everything in that mode and not go looking for trouble? If there is no mode or acceptable combination of settings that will eliminate the problem, then you have my sympathy and you need to put the hammer down with Sharp or your dealer. When the color fix is released, I will call my calibrator back in to finish the job that he started before we realized that l had a defective panel (which Sharp replaced), and then if I can't use the ISF mode without seeing the pulsing, I will change my tune. I think the odds of that happening are pretty remote, but I will keep an open mind.

Agree! the only reason I visit here anymore is to see if color fix is released..I am 100% happy with the set.... in the last 2 days...all I read is trolls....
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post #4825 of 13287
12/21/11 at 7:57pm
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Originally Posted by AZREOSpecialist View Post

After updating my THX mode with the CNET calibration settings, I am liking THX mode much more than I did before. I use this mode for most of my viewing, and the pulsing is now a non-issue for me in THX mode. And when you do see it, it's so minor that it's barely noticeable unless you know what to look for. It's kind of like those DLP rainbows... Most people wouldn't notice the "rainbow effect", including myself, but once I knew about it and know how to look for it, I could easily reproduce it.

I'd really like to know what's happening in THX mode that for many the pulsing disappears or nearly disappears. I really think this has more to do with processing and less to do with the LD. My settings for LD are precisely the same in both THX and non-THX movie mode. My contrast & brightness are also exactly the same.

Yet in THX no pulsing and in non-THX pulsing. This is why I lean more toward processing than LD as the cause. It also ties things together with my Pioneer Kuro plasma that also shows pulsing. Surely no LD to blame there.

Glad to hear though that you have a setting where it's no longer an issue.
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post #4826 of 13287
12/21/11 at 8:03pm
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Originally Posted by hhtatum View Post

I am with you. I tend to believe it is there on every set. The only factor that makes me pause is KEN. The fact that he can see it on all modes but not in THX AND is using the exact same settings as me, is BAFFLING!

Nah, I'm not the only one. There are many that either don't have it, or don't see it in THX mode. Add AZREO to that list of those who see it in other modes but not in THX (or very very minimally).

BTW, I've only really used two modes, THX and non-THX movie. The other modes just look way off to me, so I never bothered with them. So I can't comment on those as far as the dimming is concerned.
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post #4827 of 13287
12/21/11 at 8:09pm
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Also keep in mind that adjust grayscale's cuts and gains will have the same effect as brightness and contrast adjustments.

Well, not exactly. Adjusting contrast & brightness impacts the R-G-B channels simultaneously (assuming a totally linear response, which is pretty rare). When you're doing cuts & gains, you're impacting independent channels of R-G-B and doing so in either bright or dark regions of the picture. So it's really not quite the same.
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post #4828 of 13287
12/21/11 at 8:12pm
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Originally Posted by Wizziwig View Post

Yup, that's it exactly. Yellow flashes right next to any bright objects on darker backgrounds. I feel like I'm cursed. I really loved the Panasonic plasma and would not even be in this thread if it weren't for those damn flashes. I even had 3 other people sitting next to me and none could see them, even when I pointed them out.

-Mark

Mark, I know this was once discussed several years ago, but could it be an issue with your eyes. The physiology of the eye may be an important factor here. The fact that seeing this is so very rare, makes me think it has something to do with the eyes of the individual seeing these flashes. I'm not talking about visual acuity, but something else (I have no idea what that something else is).
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post #4829 of 13287
12/21/11 at 8:14pm
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Originally Posted by rupertoooo View Post

Come on folks this is getting ridiculous with the hammering away of this display. I have been needing to replace my Kuro 151 for the past year due to a crack in the bottom left hand corner of the screen. After reading the glowing expert reports (outside of the correctable cyan issue) I went ahead and purchased this display over the weekend. I fully intend on inserting the Cnet settings (temporarily of course) until I have Chad B calibrate my set in February. Will I find issues during that time, who knows but I will definitely be looking forward to having an expert in the field look for the beaten to death pulsing issue.

Speaking of ISF calibration has any expert in the field found this issue and if so has it been corrected during the calibration.

I actually can't recall one professional review mentioning it. It was never noticed by the ISF guys at the shootout either. Of course that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but it just shows you it's not the easiest thing in the world to spot.
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post #4830 of 13287
12/21/11 at 8:16pm
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Originally Posted by gary cornell View Post

Anybody watched a hockey game on the new Elite? Curious how the white ice looks as well as the high camera which covers a bigger view and quite often, a too bright washed out look.

That's the beauty of the Elite. You can get a full screen of brilliant ice or snow and there is simply no blooming, just great detail in a full white field. That's something that no plasma is capable of.
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