Official Sharp Elite PRO-70X5 and 60X5 Owners Thread - Page 185

Oh, I use it, I just don't let others here at the moment...

Its in my Amazon shopping cart. I'll finalize the order tomorrow (need to find some accessories). Thanks for the advise guys.

Chris, I thought Robert Zohn had said after initial chats at CES that the two current Elites were it for 2012 with a THX Media Director F/W upgrade sometime - has there been additional info after that?

One thing I do hope they update is their file format support on their USB media application. 2/3 of my files that run fine on LG and Oppo come up with "resolution not supported" even though they're done to a current standard.

Ken, don't be such a wimp - Win 8 is a solid beta pre-pre-release .

I've been thinking about the Canon G1X, actually, but I'm kind of fused to my 1Ds III. It's not exactly a compact though ...

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OK, funny how the mind works (or doesn't) - you guys are talking video cameras but my brain is stuck in stills ...

Oh great, thanks Dude, very encouraging...NOT.

Wow, that was quick!

Consider an extra battery (heavy duty).

I have windows behind my TV.


Sharpness. I'll give the elite that. Only by a little on some content. Everything else i prefer the kuro.

I already admitted im spoiled by the kuro look. Very organic. The elite doesn't have that imo.

I really wouldn't sell the kuro if i were you. You can use for sunday viewing or something.


Does this mean they're in charge of pioneers R&D for electronics? I never liked anything from pioneer anymore after the SC-37 receiver. I really hate the look of the SC-57. I bought the SC-37 before they were gone because i love the glossy look and design. The ICEamps too.

Don't think i'll ever by a product from them again. Everything went downhill after they left the plasma business.

OK, Chris, Robert has confirmed as you mentioned there's a next gen coming around September, so patient people can wait until then. Sales are exceeding expectations so no current price reduction but I imagine around that time previous gen stock will be cheaper. Wait & save .

Hey, weren't we supposed to hear good or bad news about firmware today? What's the status?

EDIT: Robert Zohn had his meeting and posted on another forum.

He said they can't reproduce the pulsing, and they're still working on the color fix. There's sort of an implication with what he said that a fix may be possible, but there's no ETA, so I call vaperware for now.

Yes, the 2 Sharp Elites that are currently out ARE the 2012 models and yes there is a F/W update for THX Media Director coming out in a few months from now.

I'd be very learly with anything beta by Microsoft. Not to mention, there may be software you have which may not be supported or not in full capacity particularly in cases like music/video production applications. Don't upgrade for the sake of upgrading. Otherwise, you'd be waiting till the OS officially comes out before even seeing your third party software company coming out supporting it.

On another note, however, when there are updates for a TV or other stand alone component that allows for F/W updates, I just update them ESPECIALLY if it's under warranty. It's not like you're running other software on it and worrying about multiple compatibility issues. For the most part, F/W updates are very controlled updates. For heck sake, I'm using Sharp Elite's beta F/W and noticed no issues. I understand some skepticism if you had an issue in the past, but, generally speaking, I never came across any issues across multiple components that I have.

I'm much more cautious with new versions of Windows than I am with Windows or firmware updates.

Glad you love your Kuro, I like mine too. But it does seem that every owner of an Elite here that also has the Kuro, prefers their Elite. Some sold their Kuro and some moved them to secondary viewing areas.

As for me, we just don't watch it anymore, period. It's still a great TV, but we, like other owners of both displays just don't find it quite as good. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. So I'm not sure what I'll do, but my wife is probably correct, what's the point in keeping it?

They may be giving Robert a snow job, hopefully that's not the case. First he was told the fix was completed and was passing through 'legal'. Then he was told by another party that wasn't the case and that Sharp engineering would meet with him at CES. Now he's told they're still working on it. Who really knows anymore?

As for the 'pulsing', I'll give them a standing invitation to come over to my house if they'd like to see it demonstrated. It's easily reproducible 100% of the time. I 100% guarantee them it won't be a wasted visit. Fortunately (in my case), it's easily mitigated. But it's hard to believe they can't reproduce it. I've saved an episode of NCIS specifically for that purpose. I've got the ideal 'lab' for them to see it. They can see it in its full glory and then, with exactly the same material, they can see the pulsing switched off even with LD still on.

Sharp, are you listening? I'm here to help, seriously!

It's hard to believe they don't have a Regional Rep in NY that can't hop over to my house for a few minutes to take a look.

Mike, what's the beta firmware you have on your Elite? Is that for the codes or something else?

Ken....no need to shout !!!

Lets be up front. How likely is it that they can't reproduce it?

[quote=So I am sure Sharp did not pay much to use the Elite name. Any who, there will be 2012 Elite units I was told [/QUOTE]


let's hope so..it would be a shame to give up so quickly and a newer improved model shouldn't be so difficult to make..it's the buggy first gens that usually leads the way to a better product

Robert, personally asked me if a rep could come and observe the pulsing at my house. i accepted without hesitation,never a call or any acknowledgement from Sharp. believe me Ken i wish they would follow through with this, and find a fix i would be all over the Elite once they resolved it.

I personally do not believe there will be a firmware fix for the cyan issue, or they would have provided it by now. Nonetheless, I am happy with my product.

Drury

It seems more and more likely that the claims at the VE Shootout of a easy and imminent fix for the Cyan issue was purely "sales speak" and boastful nonsense. Plus, this whole "can't reproduce" excuse seems pathetic and transparent.

Very disappointing...

Hopefully...these flaws will not detract from my viewing experience. Thankfully Abt has a no questions asked 30 day return policy...

the cyan issue is so miniscule to me compared to the pulsing issues i had.ymmv

There is some beta firmware which will be emailed to members of another forum by Mr. Zohn (upon request), who claims to have it installed of many Elites. He states it will likely never see the light of day. I'm not certain what all this means....

Drury

It means the discrete power codes provided by that release, which is its only enhancement AFAICT, will likely just become part of a more extensive upgrade such as the potential cyan fix. I installed it and it works as it should. I can now retire to sleep after a long night of movie watching with a single click of my remote .

I think it's for the discrete IR codes for power on, etc.

Edit: ^^^Beat me to it...

what are discrete power codes for?...I use a Harmony One remote to control my AVR, TV, FiOS cable box and Blu-ray player, will the discrete codes affect this setup?

I have no idea what kind of programming/video they've used to try to see it. Is it possible they haven't yet put up the type of programming that shows it? Yes, I'm sure that's possible.

My offer still stands. I'm just trying to help others here as I've got no issue myself.

I think you'll find real joy in the picture alin. Don't be too concerned, the vast majority of owners are absolutely delighted.

Drury, I think those are the codes for on/off. I don't think they relate to the cyan issue.

They've been given multiple offers to come and have the flickering demoed for them. They've been given Blu-ray movies with the time codes in the movie that demonstrate the problem.

If they can't duplicate it in the lab it's because they haven't tried.

Ken, you've been right all along. The pros of the Elite definitely far outweigh the cons, but (you knew there had to be a but) the promise that there would be a fix, however misinformed the person who made the claim may or may not have been, has not been kept, and does give people some ground to be upset/have concerns about the level of service. This can be likened to the rising black levels issue with Panasonic, except Panasonic chose to claim the issue was no issue at all, and was in fact part of the design. Sharp acknowledged that there is a cyan issue, and said they will fix it. For me, the issue will not be enough of an issue to keep me from thoroughly enjoying the display, but I think there IS sufficient reason for people to be at least a little upset, especially those who purchased the Elite expecting a fix because of said promise. Although I'm certain their integrity does not outweigh their desire to continue making money, Sharp should at least come out and say that there will be no fix, if that is in fact the case, and put this thing to rest. Either way, as always, I'm still purchasing mine.

Dan

While I may not have used the proper terms, it's clear you understood the intent of my question. It seems you regularly try to obfuscate the argument by pointing out where others know less than you do. I don't think that helps your side of things.

MY POINT - unless a director or cinematographer is shooting to a certain standard that is then replicated on an end user's viewing device, there is no way to ensure any of us see what the "director intended". By default, anything shot on film will NOT appear according to how the "director intended" because the contrast ratio and color space of whatever film was used has to be squeezed into a much inferior color space and dynamic range in order for that content to be viewed on our TVs.

For decades we have watched 425-line resolution LaserDiscs on our "state of the art" 3-tube CRT rear projector units because that got us what the director intended. Well no, it didn't. I doubt the director shot his movie using 425 lines of resolution or an inferior NTSC video standard. So we implement technologies along the way to reduce dynamic range, reduce the resolution or compress the video stream enough to fit on a DVD, Blu-Ray, streaming, etc. How could the director have intended any of this?

Are mosquito compression artifacts what the director intended? What about the reduced dynamic range of video compared to film? Do you think that directors like Cameron who shoot in RED 4k are happy that their content is being bastardized onto DVD? Aren't these far greater concerns for a director than whether cyan shows up 100% accurately on someone's TV? Having gone to film school and studied cinematography, I can tell you that most directors go for an overall "feel" or atmosphere to their films. They don't sit there and obsess about every color in the spectrum looking exactly how they want. The larger defining factors are what type of mood or atmosphere does certain lighting, contrast and color temperature communicate to the viewer.

I don't think there is a single director who will tell you that they are bothered by a slight shift in the color cyan as long as the overall mood of the piece was preserved. I doubt very highly that David Lean would cry over cyan going a little blue in "Lawrence of Arabia" or "Doctor Zhivago", but he would certainly have had a heart attack watching his epic pieces be converted to 4:3 pan-and-scan on VHS.

Hollywood follows SMTPE standards. They add their artistic choices on top of those standards. So, to see what they wanted you to see, your display needs to be as close as possible to said standards. Otherwise, what the hell is the point of calibration or using any other video mode beyond ones the fit the description of torch????