Official Sharp Elite PRO-70X5 and 60X5 Owners Thread - Page 227

Good info, thanks Drury. I'll speak with Kevin when he comes over. I hadn't heard about the banding.

These are very dissappointing results indeed. What ever will we talk about now that the cyan issue is not "discernable"

2012 Elites

banding ??

Can you also ask Kevin what 'issues' in ISF modes did he mean at the VE Shootout? In one of the video clips on youtube, he said they encountered issues when calibrating in the ISF modes but no details were given as to what kind of issues. With this thread getting lost in the cyan and pulsing issue, I'm wondering if the ISF issues needed to be brought to the attention of the Sharp engineer from Japan.

Received the 2.13 factory firmware on a USB stick from Sharp, will be rolling back from 2.15 to see if it solves my issues with the higher color temp readings in all the picture modes.

Just an FYI, for those that have gotten the 2.15 update from Sharp, you know that the zip file contains two files. A .USB file and a .SMB file. The .USB file is the actual firmware and the .SMB file is for the discrete power on/off remote codes.

Rolling back to 2.13 fixed all my color temp and calibration issues. My set is looking great again after calibrating the ISF modes. On top of that, I still have the discrete power on/off remote codes.

Haven't seen much discussion on the noise level of the Elite -if you replaced a Kuro with the Elite, do you find the Elite to be the quieter display?

I hear not a peep from my Elite. Luckily, my old 141 was a low buzzer.

Drury

By noise i'm referring to picture noise, movement in the image.

What calibration issues did you have? I'm on 214. Do you think 213 might help me with the yellow cast faces tend to have?

Dead silent, zero heat. No comparison.

Very clean. Obviously if the source has noise, so will the Elite.

So, apparently Sharp announced a $3.8 billion (with a B) loss today. They claim to be scaling back LCD production generally. No idea what that means for the Elite or for future firmware updates and other support, but it can't be good news.

Yes, I had the yellow cast faces with 2.15...that's why I had the idea to roll back to 2.13 because I was almost certain that I did not have this issue before. But I was only 2.13 for only a short period of time so couldn't be sure. But I'm sure now that 2.13 does not have the yellow cast issue.

As for 2.14, I'm not sure since I've never calibrated 2.14 but 2.15 definitely had yellow cast on the whole image when the set is calibrated. If I left it at defaults everything looked good but then the greyscale readings are off, very weird.

Anyway, pm me your email addy and I'll send you 2.13.

It's surely not good news. And for what it's worth, the news reporting are a bit misleading. They refer to scaling back at the Sakai plant, where they can make all sorts of 40-inch displays (this is the Reuters report, et al. mentioning that). The Sakai plant is also where 100% of the large panels are made right now.

The good news is that Sharp has 100% of the 70" market. The bad news is they can't will that to grow any faster than they already are since they are priced aggressively. I would still expect new Elites this year as rumored/discussed, but I continue to be skeptical of an 80" Elite for volume reasons. The TV market in 2013 is going to be smaller than hoped for in 2011. Growth of 3-D and the global economy was supposed to change the equation for TV growth, instead everyone sees slow and steady -- and no better -- as far as the eye can see. And that's trouble for an industry where no one really makes money. (Even Samsung's TV division -- with gigantic volumes -- turns a pretty tiny profit / small loss depending on how you interpret the numbers.)

In general, Apple may save Sharp from the fate others are likely to feel -- oblivion.

That's definitely not good news for the continuation of a high end set and especially considering how many it seems that they have already replaced for people in this thread. If it takes 2 or 3 TV's to satisfy one customer that can't be very profitable. Wonder where all these returned sets end up at?

Purple Blacks? Non video friends and your wife noticed it? I call bull ****. I don't care how far off axis you go, I NEVER seen "Purple" blacks. You're giving 5-10 on the elite? You're clearly biased man. You're entitled to your opinion but you're representing a clear slant.

Yes, these are Elite's 2012 models. The 2013s are projected for next September.

Quieter? I don't own a Kuro, but I can vouch you can't hear anything on the Elite 70". I also heard less heat as well lol I heard from one individual at the shootout that their plasma gave off so much heat that they had to keep the room conditioned.. Now that sucks lol

So you can just install the SMB file to get discrete on/off? I guess I'll try to contact sharp to get the file.

Are the numbers based on GAAP or Income tax basis? If its income tax basis, they did just open new factories or at least expanded. There is special 100% special bonus depreciation which allows them to write off 100% in new additions post 9/8/10 through the end of 2012. Therefore, depreciation may cause them to go red. You have to look at it analytically. Otherwise, do they indicate net income or loss by division? I'd like to see the article you're referring to. Sharp is too big to just close up this year if you're worried about a firmware update on current year displays. The auditors didn't issue a going concern, did they? If not, I would t worry about it. It would be more restructuring of less desirable divisions. They spent too much on the new plant to seize on the large high end displays. You have to realize sharp is involved in so many industries. Unless you tell me they're losing it all in TVs, then maybe they will scale back. In either case send me your source..

Mike....are foreign companies compeled to follow GAAP? I didn't think they were which makes knowing what's actually going on financially such a black hole.

When I read this I wanted to respond, as it is easily verified that his remark is a gross exaggeration.

Many folks have watched my TV with me, and out of the 30-40 or so, the only comment I've heard is what a great picture it is.

I think the chap seeing "purple black" is in need of an eye exam.

...or has something wrong with his.

Sounds like a problem with grayscale but shouldn't be that way from the factory.

Well Elite is apparently a US subsidiary. I'm sure they have tax implications that need to be met under GAAP. Eventually in a few years the US will be dropping GAAp for IFRS which is an across the board standard. No more cost basis.. Everything will be on FMV. The conversion will be a pain in the ass.

It may not exactly be "purple black", but definitely a overall washout pic when viewing off axis. folks of yours need their eyes check!

Has nothing to do with having our eyes checked. You made a statement that to many of us tells us that you have not seen nor own this display but went with what you have read or experienced from other displays. The picture does washout on this display as you move off axis but the black level is one thing that remains constant which is evident when watching letterboxed content.

See the response I received regarding Cyan color fix.

"Thank you for contacting Elite Support. There is currently a firmware in the works to correct the issue the you are having with the color quality. We do not currently have an ETA for the release date. Please check back in with our support team.

Have a great day!

Thank you,

Candace Lane
Elite support"