Official Sharp Elite PRO-70X5 and 60X5 Owners Thread - Page 230

Best pun since cyanara. Keep 'em coming

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Pun? I just suck at spelling

That's what she said... (channeling Michael Scott)

Probably as objective as an owner of one and even none as either a person is objective or he is not. What kind and ow many sets one owns doesn't change that.

I hate speaking for other people but D-Nice has no specific information about the second-generation Elites. At best he has heard what some people at Sharp hope to do because that's about as far as things have gotten at this point.

I doubt he thinks he knows anything definitive because there is nothing definitive to know.

By the way, I remain less than sanguine about an 80" Elite. The market for such a TV is really, really small; it would be a lot of effort around a super-low-volume SKU. That's not especially consistent with making money generally.

Plus I think businesses are increasingly coming to the conclusion that the halo effect is overrated which makes it that much less likely.

I still think it'll happen, at 4K res, but not likely before the Fall. That gives them time to retool an 40" line to 80"4K with local dimming.

But the 2012 Elites have been on sale since last year

I'm on my first and only Elite 70" and am totally satisfied - no need for a replacement. A couple of people here had multiple replacements, but given the many thousands of these TVs that have undoubtedly shipped into consumer's hands, we really have no data to indicate that this is a common issue among owners.

Um... there's no info. If you follow the conversation, it's pretty obvious someone couldn't stand the heat so he got out of the kitchen. But not before making a hit-and-run dramatic statement that lacked details, facts, or sources.

Don't forget that he also insulted over half of the people here, so I don't know why anyone cares for his opinion.

You're a sample size of one and reading through this thread it seems to be much more common than you acknowledge of being "a couple". Sure we don't have real world numbers but the sample size of this forum does indicate that Sharp has sent out many replacement sets. That can't be profitable for a company and by the numbers Sharp appears to be in the same boat as many manufacturers of losing money building TV sets.

Disagree. Objectivity tends to be inversely proportional to the amount of money someone has invested in the outcome. If anything, all he accomplished was lowering the future resale value of our TVs by coming in here and screaming about all of the "serious" flaws in this TV. And how do we know that wasn't his objective to begin with?

I liken this issue to Apple's "antennagate" fiasco with the iPhone 4. It seemed owners were up in arms, Consumer Reports would not recommend the phone, and Apple had to hold a special event to address the issue publicly. If you went into any iPhone forum, you would think that Apple couldn't design a cell phone to save its life judging by all of the negative comments surrounding this issue, and the multiple replacements people received. What do you think this represented as a percentage of all iPhone 4 sales? According to Apple, less than 2%. So such a big deal over only 2% of the products shipped.

I'm also on my first and only 70", and am totally satisfied with it. I don't think you can use this forum to gauge the return/exchange rate. Most people who are satisfied with their TV (or any product) don't go to forums to say just that. Only people who have issues or think they do will go out and search/post on forums.

You guys keep missing the point. Based on this forum many sets have been returned. Denying it or saying you personally never exchanged a set doesn't change that fact. Sharp is also heavily in the red as well as several other TV manufacturers. You can't continue making high end sets, have a very liberal return policy and continue to stay in business or market in the same way. Sharp was also able to create a market by going into large sets, but that is a much smaller market in comparison to the 40" to 60" market segment so its profitability remains to be seen. It's just simple economics.

i am one who has had a less than stellar "satified owner of the elite" status. many of you know i have had the pulsing issues from the get go. i currently have purchased there entry level big boy the 80" 632 series. what puzzles me the most w/ this display is that it has absolutely no dse or banding of any kind, and very good uniformity for such a large panel. i'm finally very satisfied w/ the outcome. i give full credit, however to Sharp in truly bringing to the table an incredible display with a few flaws that need worked out. i have learned my lesson, and will take a sideline approach next time before jumping in.

Can you please define "many"? 5? 10? 20? 100?

Thanks!

Chicken Little Syndrome ?

do you prefer the word "several"?

I'll gladly change it if it meets your approval.

Since where taking a count.
My 70" has brought me pleasure from Day one, and every Day I own it, the more amazed I am.

Your posts (or anybody else's) definitely do not need my approval - I believe in free text . It's just that many has many interpretations . So I'm trying to discern which side of many you're refering to.

To me, many is more than several, which I consider similar to a bunch . It can refer to different aspects of the same item, e.g. many returned compared to damaged in transit, but few returned compared to not returned, and so on.

Ahhh, such are the intricacies of communicating information ...

OK, I loaded the CNET settings in my THX mode, setting the 10-poing WB on, and I also get some slight banding on the greyscale, perhaps slightly less than in the ISF modes.

And actually I see a bit of greyscale banding in all AV modes, I even reset plain Movie to factory and it still shows some slight banding.

Ken, if you look at a continuous greyscale (not the stepped kind) in your set, do you actually get a completely smooth scale from black to white with no discernable jumps in any of your modes?

Maybe try "some"?
It happens with will all makes and models. Knock on plastic, but the Elite is the first hdtv I've had that I didn't go through 2-4 sets to get one that was "perfect".

So I'm watching a movie (outlander) and they have a tight shot on the actor's face, but it's framed so you can still see a good portion of the background and I notice a crap load of flickering. I grab for the remote to tivo it so I can test the scene in other av modes and the scene zooms out and the room in the movie it being lit by a bunch of candles. Doh. I just had to laugh at myself.

Like I said previously, most people who are satisfied with their set will not come here to simply say they are. If everyone did, I'm willing to bet the data set you have here on this forum will show many who keep their original set. Also, it's not a matter of how many, but a matter of percentages. See AZREOSpecialist's example.

At the end of the day, the general consumer dictates which direction manufacturers/R&D take. Samsung wins through marketing as they know what buzzwords consumers look for.

The days of premium performing products are numbered. OLED will sell once prices are down not because it delivers a better picture, but because of features and marketing. People already associate LED with "best and latest technology" without knowing the different implementations, just that it is LED (again, thank Samsung for that).

I agree that "many" can have different interpretations, but it appears that some posters are even offended that I mentioned that sets have been returned. I also don't think it bodes well for a company that has had significant losses. I know for a fact that out of 16 sets mentioned by buyers that 7 were returned. Now do I think the return ratio is slightly under 50%? No, but after reading through this thread and noting the ratio above, I think the word "many" would be appropriate. That also doesn't affect my thinking that the Elite is the best set available right now which I have stated on numerous occasions despite the minor flaws it has.

I can't recall seeing that. I did put up both patterns, but I'll take another look tomorrow.

That's exactly what reading a thread like this does to you!