Official Sharp Elite PRO-70X5 and 60X5 Owners Thread - Page 240

If Barry has an AVS user name and you can post it, I'll include your report in the lists that are linked in my signature.

The only setting I wanted to change was the motion setting. Kevin had it set to 'standard' and I've noticed a few motion anomalies I didn't have before. Previously I had it set to 'off' for all motion settings. That's what I want to go back to.

Can't you get in touch with your calibrator and have him walk you through it?

Thanks for posting your comments about having your displays calibrated. I've included links in the flat panel (post #2) lists for both of your displays. Those lists can be found using the link that's in my signature at the bottom of my post.

None of you gentelmen has the moral courage or the strength of character to say if your televisions have the problem i mentioned? I find it really funny at this point that no one has replied.

I'm not sure you can get in to the ISF mode without some type of software hooked up via the RS-232 calibration port.

I suppose since nobody ever saw it or studied it with a magnifying glass from inches away, nobody took it too seriously. Nothing to do with 'moral courage' or 'strength of character'.

Yeah, sorry but I never looked either, I was too busy enjoying a great display.

I'm glad you are all enjoying your TVs, but you can see it clearly from a ft or two away. It would really ease my mind about the new Sharp TV if i someone could heave themselves off their chairs and walk the marathon to the TV and hoist up the heavy remote using some sort of crane or pulley contraption and check.

So you watch all your displays from a foot or two away ?

your request noted: you might get a more meaningful answer if the comments were omitted next time

Probably not. If the content looks great 7 feet away from a 70", who the hell cares if two feet away you see pixies pushing subpixels around ...

I regret to inform you but due to moral reasons, I am unable to answer your question.

@AnotherDude: Because its not a small thing, the difference is pretty big. It would have the effect of smearing the picture a little bit based on my upclose observation using the le835 as a computer monitor, it was not useable. Solving this probably would likely have more effect on quality than upgrading to a 4k TV... thus my urgency... Plus, the problem is a fixable one i think, it solves itself with a small change of the input signal.

You guys took out way more sarcasm from my post than i meant to put in, i think.

OK, your obvious answer with no sarcasm is, there is no smearing of the image or toothiness to straight lines. When set up properly the picture is tack-sharp when provided tack-sharp content, even small text, and it passes the pixel phase / sharpness patterns with flying colorts. I don't need to get one-foot away at which point I see lots of individual pixels.

Great: Thank you

I use the wireless LAN connection, much more convenient . Wired LAN also works great.

Has anyone else noticed intermittent issues with the discreet power on/off IR codes support in the latest firmware update?

I eagerly switched my Harmony remote programming to the new discreet on/off support in the update. I used the Harmony database IR codes from the Pioneer Kuro tv. They worked initially. But I find that sometimes the tv won't power on with the new code and I have to revert to using the old on/off toggle code.

If it matters, my Dad is more comfortable with the Comcast remote so he uses that one (with the old toggle code) on the tv too. I haven't done any experimenting yet to find the combination of power codes that gets my tv into this weird state. I just reverted to the old toggle code for now.

I thought I'd post my current calibration results using an i1 Pro meter, Radiance-XD for pattern generation, CalMAN DIY with the Interactive plug-in as the calibration engine, and ControlCAL for doing and managing the settings. Connection to the Elite is wireless LAN and to the Radiance serial RS-232.

This is my current result after many sessions trying different settings (backlight, brightness, contrast and gamma) and approaches in the CMS and 10-point WB adjustment. A full session will run me 2-3 hours. In the process I have developed a deep appreciation for the ISF calibrators - it ain't just math .

These results are giving me an awesome picture - really deep blacks and dark shadow detail, but not overtly bright. It works great for me as I have a fairly low-light to really dim viewing environment and watch many very dark-scened movies.

In comparing with the C-NET settings, my blue hue is a bit different, apparent in the DirecTV HD GUI and the OPPO logo in the BD player, but are obviously blue and cyan looks cyanish ...

 

Results.pdf 47.8427734375k . file

No problems here so far. I have a Universal MK-700.

Yes, if you sit 1 foot from your screen you can see a pixel-sized saw tooth pattern. At a distance you'd sit that would let you view the whole screen as a TV is normally used, no you don't see one.

If you're in the CIA and using it as a computer monitor to spot the nuclear wessels and need to put your face up against the screen to make out the image details better, probably not the right display for you.

I just wanted to share some info. My sharp rep brought one of the Sharp "trainers" in this past Saturday. The "trainer" informed me that this year the contract with Pioneer ends. He said he wasn't sure if the contract would be renewed, and said it would be better for Sharp if they didn't renew it, since Pioneer has benefited WAYYY more than Sharp has from the Elites.
He also gave me a bit of insight into what we can expect in the future. First of all, he said that IF the contract with Pioneer is renewed, an 80"elite is in the plans, though he said it wouldn't be released this year. He also commented on the 945 Sharps, stating they would be VERY CLOSE in terms of performance to the Elite, but would not include IVC, and wasn't sure about the inclusion of THX certification. He said the new Elites (again, if the contract with Pioneer is renewed) WOULD NOT feature 4K resolution. He did, however, mention a 4K display that would be released at some point this year by Sharp. Sharp will not be getting into the OLED business at this time, but has been working with "another company" to develop a different technology that would give us the thinness of an OLED, with the PQ of the Elite. If my memory serves me correctly, this display will be released this year, although I can't for the life of me remember if this display and the 4K display are going to be one and the same. I also asked him if there was going to be a 90" Sharp, at which time he informed me that Sharp has a 90" ready, which will be announced "the day after" another company announces anything bigger than the 80" in a flat panel display (and I have to assume he meant any display at a competitive price point, as Panny already has 85", 103", and 152" plasmas).
That's all I got, but I thought ya'll'd like to know.

Dan

The problem i saw on the Sharp LE835u would absolutely effect image quality at normal viewing distances, it obliterated tiny details like small windows in a photo of a city for example. I apologize for recommending the easiest way to spot the problem, next time i'll be sure to recommend the stand-back-and-use-binoculars approach.

respectfully disagree

most of us discount any such phenomena you see up close

we are not trying to be argumentative: this is from years of experience and reading AVS

Then no, it must not be the same as you saw because you'd need to be an eagle to spot what I'm seeing at a normal distance.

Wow, then you definitely shouldn't buy one. Why are you in an Elite thread discussing the LE835U?

How important is IVC to the performance of the Elite models? If it is not significant, waiting for the 945 seems to be the best option.

So Summer 2012 for 945? May be the "80% Elite" we all want for a price more palatable than $6.5k (hopeing 3.5k after discounts)

add a 10" of more screen as well get the 80" Sharp

Modern flat panels often have visual artifacts when viewed within a foot or two that are quite intentionally seen at that close range. Why? Because those same artifacts when viewed at a more normal distance will provide the picture the display manufacturer intends for you to see. This is visual trickery, yes. But before you go crazy, showing you any color that isn't a primary color of light also relies on visual trickery. Showing you "natural motion" also relies on visual trickery.

I have the moral courage to tell you that things you see at ridiculously close range or in still frames might be interesting or important, but might well have no effect on picture quality whatsoever.