Official Sharp Elite PRO-70X5 and 60X5 Owners Thread - Page 247

the other alarming thing is the actual amount of members having replacement sets to begin with.

Sure seems like a lot but it may not be.

Anyone have an interest in doing a survey?

Ya gotta wonder if with all the returns if they are re-boxing into new boxes the returns then selling as new ? With the high costs for these sets has anyone seen any re-furbs anywhere ??

While ive seen that, I do not think that is the case here at all. Mine was absolutely factory fresh

Yeah......where are the refurbs going?

i agree, mine have been as well. it does make you wonder what happens to those panels though.

That is a very good question, and right on point for me. I'm talking to a small b & m store, and he is offering a good (not great) deal. I haven't asked him yet if it is for his demo, or a new unit. I had been thinking that a new unit might have a couple of the outstanding issues addressed, but now I wonder if a set that has been opperating for a couple of months might be better.

(I told my wife that I am thinking about a new TV; she didn't run for the rolling pin, so I'm taking that as a "yes".) Of course she has NO idea how much these things cost.

if it's "Video Only" B&M they do sell returns as new , it's been reported on Yelp !

The 945's

The non-scientific nature of surveys done here makes them no more accurate than some people's anecdotal sense of lots of replacements. Whether the number. You'd need a true random sample to get more accurate, and you won't get there.

Honestly, the rate of defectives to me (from reading three forums) seems (a) high for an expensive product (b) about normal for a brand new product.

It also seems everyone has been given a new set or a refund if they've asked. Is that accurate at least?

Hey 945 could be really good according to some honest dealers! He'll one just talked me out of an Elite until we see if what he was told is true about the 945.....

I believe that would be illegal in the U.S.

Last time I looked in Video Only, they didn't carry Elite. Did I miss something?

The number of returns here in this forum is in no way indicative of the overall return rate, unless the vast majority of Elite buyers are visiting this forum - which they most certainly are not. There will always be a disproportionately high number of reported replacements and repairs in online forums like this because most people speak up only when they have a problem, not when everything is great.

Look at the iPhone 4 "antennagate" issue. Consumer Reports went over the deep end and Apple had to have a press conference because of the media's inflation of the severity of the issue. How many people actually complained about this issue to Apple? Less than 1%. That's right. But from the outside looking in, you'd think this was a defective product which it most certainly is not.

I picked a 70" Elite up just after Christmas and could not be happier. No pulsing. The cyan issue (in my opinion) is only noticable with a meter. Blacks are pitch black. I never see artifacts. Motion is smoother than my XBR. The picture looks good (to very good )in a bright, daylit room; and looks fantastic when the room is dim to dark. I can sit off center by 45 degrees and barely notice a difference in PQ. I could not imagine a better TV.

The only minor issue I notice is the on/off remote codes from programmable remotes sometimes have issues turning the set off (it got a little better with the last software update).

I am one of the VERY happy owners.

Need to keep in mind that at this price point, buyers have high expectations.

was just advising on that B&M , I don't even bother to see what those guys carry after hearing about their sales & return policies . I seen you were from SF

I'm glad I didn't bite on the Elite version 1...the 945 along with Elite version 2 look like they have the potential to be better and in the case of the 945 cheaper as well

the same goes in Canada

My Apologies. I did a quick search for Cyberpower 1500 and got that link, but the actual one I have is the 1500PFCLCD, which is this one:

http://www.amazon.com/CyberPower-CP1...1494116&sr=1-1

I tested it a couple of times, pulling the power of the UPS while the TV was on, and it worked as expected.

It's indicative in some ways.


Yes, which is why we can't calculate the return rate, but we can get a pretty good sense of whether it's high or not. You simply compare the portion of posts about returns on Model X vs. the portion of posts about them on Model Y. If more posts about Model X are return related, we can conclude -- accurately -- it has a higher return rate, even without a scientifically valid survey.

For example, I can tell you Panasonic VT30s from 2011 had a very low return rate. I can tell you Samsung D7000/D8000 plasmas had a high one (at least early on in the model year).

That's a valid point. But the issue here is whether a specific TV is more prone to defects than most TVs and/or dissatisfies a higher percentage of owners such that they need to return/exchange. At least early on, the Elites have had a too-high rate of return/exchange. Since relatively few people are buying now and posting, it's hard to say whether the rate has fallen (likely) or the buyers who participate on the forum has fallen (also possible).

It appears as though the status of the 945 is up in the air. As stated on Cnet:

Removed LC-945U series, a high-end local dimming model, from the chart per a conversation with Sharp. Company reps told me only that its status, and indeed its model name and prospective features (eg local dimming), and now uncertain, but they wouldn't say more.

Let's hope Elite generation 2 sees the light of day or else the high end LCD product offerings for 2012 will be rather limited.

The new 945's will not be as high of quality display as the ELITE, not as many zones, no avc, as well as no thx mode and im sure a few other things. And if your glad you didn't bite on ELITE version 1 cause 2 will be better, you may never get a set cause there will always be something better right around the corner.

I'm sure glad I bit!

Yeah, biting might be the only way to have something local dimming from Sharp for quite a while.

The delay of the 945, however, has removed it from my list. I kinda wish I had bought the Elite 5 months ago.....

And the rationale that version 2 'could' be better (or cheaper), is always true regardless of the equipment being considered. Making a decision based on that rationale could prevent someone from ever pulling the trigger.

It reminds me of the people that are always waiting with high expectations for a new release and when that finally happens, those same people are the first to ask 'so when do you think the next model will be released'. It never ends.

There's no harm in wanting perfection as long as your expectations remain realistic, few things in life are perfect... well except for maybe Kate Beckinsale and her twin sisters.

Jason

Me TOO !

Me Too. I have enjoyed the best Video on the Market Today. I think the improvements made to the second version will be minor in Video, with most of it only showing up on Test Equipment. ( Not to the Human Eye). There may be some new Bell's and Whistle's and cute little things done outside of the Video Side. Most of these I will use only Once just to see if they work.
I made this mistake with the Pioneer Kuro in that, I was listening to what was coming down line and missed out on about 3 Years of good Video.
Not this Time.
If your waiting for Perfect Video, It will cost you nothing, Just your Time Waiting.

Yes, this is alarming. These constant rumors of this and no more Elite are troublesome.

As someone who has been lurking here wating for the 70" to hit a justfiable point (we all have $ set points), a "80% Elite" would have been a great alterantive and fit in into the pricing model (844 70" is $3700 list etc).

The flashing on the Elite is something I was able to see at Magnolia and really annoyed me (the cyan I just have no idea).

If sharp clarified their models and strategy they would do themselves a favor - people getting the Elite now (like me) or Waiting till Day 1 of the 945.