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post #7411 of 13284
3/12/12 at 7:31am
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Originally Posted by Glenee View Post

Me Too. I have enjoyed the best Video on the Market Today. I think the improvements made to the second version will be minor in Video, .

I pull the trigger if v2.0 is 4k set. Again, I am the subgroup of subgroup that, assumign they have proper inputs, have teh HTPC that can drive that to play Battlefield 3 in 4k
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post #7412 of 13284
3/12/12 at 7:40am
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I believe that would be illegal in the U.S.

We're all guessing here. From what I heard years ago, this is illegal if a reseller does it and not disclosing it. Not illegal if the maker itself inspects, cleans, re-certifies and fully-guarantees the returned item like new. Don't you wish that each TV carried an odometer that cannot be tampered with huh?

Basically you guys answered your own question. Unless you see refurbished units labeled as such at warehouse sale, they ought to be 'recycled' back into the market (after thorough inspection and fix if necessary) somehow some way.

Even new car dealerships are known to perform major body work on new cars (that got wrecked during transportation), put them back onto the lot, and sell as new without disclosing such major work! I don't know if that's legal but that has been going on for years...

Just my 2 cents.
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post #7413 of 13284
3/12/12 at 10:35am
I'm going to pull the trigger in the next 2-3 weeks. I have the choice to get either a set that has been on display for about three months or new in box. Since every choice leads to questions, here are some:
1) Is there a way to determine the number of hours in use?
2) Are there any educated guesses or studies how long an LED/LCD is good for?
3) Does anyone here agree with my idea that Sharp MIGHT try to slip an
UN-announced upgrade in on us thereby denying that a problem ever existed?
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post #7414 of 13284
3/12/12 at 10:46am
my question is how much of a discount off new are you getting. Unless its substantial I wouldnt bother. LCD's do not degrade over the time you are likely to get a new one (10 years plus at least)
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post #7415 of 13284
3/12/12 at 10:52am
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Originally Posted by grxz View Post

It appears as though the status of the 945 is up in the air. As stated on Cnet:

Removed LC-945U series, a high-end local dimming model, from the chart per a conversation with Sharp. Company reps told me only that its status, and indeed its model name and prospective features (eg local dimming), and now uncertain, but they wouldn't say more.

Let's hope Elite generation 2 sees the light of day or else the high end LCD product offerings for 2012 will be rather limited.

wow wonder what happened to delay the 945...hope this doesn't affect the release of the Elite 2.0...is Sharp getting cold feet based on sales figures?...if the Elite is headed into extinction like the Kuro's then that changes everything

or maybe they realized that the 945 would cut into sales on the Elite as it sounded close enough for most people to skip the Elite and get an 'almost-Elite' for a much cheaper price
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post #7416 of 13284
3/12/12 at 10:55am
Titus while I think you may like to see the Elite go away I think its safe to say its not. The 945 cancellation (not delay) is likely due to Sharp realizing its going to cut into Elite sales. Secondly, there are at least 5 Sku's right now for the Sharp models and more is likely to cause further consumer confusion. Add to that I bet 95% of the consumers will choose and be happy with a base 70 is probably also adding to the cancel of the 945.

But then again, I am no sharp insider either so take it with a grain of salt
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post #7417 of 13284
3/12/12 at 12:13pm
Thread Starter 
I just had my 70' ELITE calibrated by Kevin Miller this weekend and I'm happy to report No pulsing in ether of the ISF Night and Day modes.

As for the Cyan issue it's extremely minor according to Kevin. It's so minor in fact that according to Kevin you just can't see it unless you have a comparison display. Again it's very source material specific and has to be in a very specific luminance range in order to visualy see it. I for one have never seen it and i've watched tons of movies and source material since I got the ELITE way back when it first came out and the color has always seemed perfect to me. Of course we all know nothing is ever perfect but you all get my point I hope. ;p

I'd also like to add that you will find that the biggest complainers out there are the ones who don't even own the ELITE, don't listen to them go look for yourself and let your eyes be the judge.
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post #7418 of 13284
3/12/12 at 12:13pm
rad please post some pics.
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post #7419 of 13284
3/12/12 at 12:19pm
Not really . I'm one of the biggest complainant and I own a 70" Elite for my bedroom
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post #7420 of 13284
3/12/12 at 12:22pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Suzook View Post

rad please post some pics.

I'll try and post some when I find the time.
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post #7421 of 13284
3/12/12 at 12:26pm
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post


I'll try and post some when I find the time.

Please do. Wish I had Kevin in my part of the country
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post #7422 of 13284
3/12/12 at 12:26pm
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

I just had my 70' ELITE calibrated by Kevin Miller this weekend and I'm happy to report No pulsing in ether of the ISF Night and Day modes.

Great to hear Rad and exactly my experience. Kevin did a great job!

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As for the Cyan issue it's extremely minor according to Kevin. It's so minor in fact that according to Kevin you just can't see it unless you have a comparison display. Again it's very source material specific and has to be in a very specific luminance range in order to visualy see it. I for one have never seen it and i've watched tons of movies and source material since I got the ELITE way back when it first came out and the color has always seemed perfect to me. Of course we all know nothing is ever perfect but you all get my point I hope. ;p

Yup. With the exception of the Today Show glass blocks, I can't say I've ever seen an issue either.

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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

I'd also like to add that you will find that the biggest complainers out there are the ones who don't even own the ELITE, don't listen to them go look for yourself and let your eyes be the judge.

You noticed that too?
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post #7423 of 13284
3/12/12 at 12:50pm
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post


Great to hear Rad and exactly my experience. Kevin did a great job!

Yup. With the exception of the Today Show glass blocks, I can't say I've ever seen an issue either.

You noticed that too?

Sigh......Kevin doesnt travel......
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post #7424 of 13284
3/12/12 at 1:02pm
I will believe info about the 945 (or any other product for that matter) when there is official word from the manufacturer rather than CNet, whose track record is spotty at best. And yes I know that sometimes sets simply don't appear, and there's no official word. Still, absent further word, I'd trust the calendar flipping to 1/1/13 sooner than I would CNet. But then I'm a CNet hater so...
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post #7425 of 13284
3/12/12 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by anthonymoody View Post

I will believe info about the 945 (or any other product for that matter) when there is official word from the manufacturer rather than CNet, whose track record is spotty at best. And yes I know that sometimes sets simply don't appear, and there's no official word. Still, absent further word, I'd trust the calendar flipping to 1/1/13 sooner than I would CNet. But then I'm a CNet hater so...

I'm no Cnet hater, but I fear the worst here. What they didn't do is cancel the 945 to protect the tiny Elite market, that's for certain. If the 945 is dead, there is something more going on there and while I can offer a series of possible speculations as to what it might be, I think they are pointless right now.

Suffice it to say, if you want a big, local-dimming LCD in 2012, you should buy an Elite or the Sony.
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post #7426 of 13284
3/12/12 at 1:23pm
[quote="rogo"]

"What they didn't do is cancel the 945 to protect the tiny Elite market, that's for certain"

And you know this for certain how? Guessing and opinions dont count ;-)
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post #7427 of 13284
3/12/12 at 1:31pm
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

I just had my 70' ELITE calibrated by Kevin Miller this weekend ...

Thanks for your calibration report. I've included a link to it in the flat panel (post #2) lists that are linked in the signature area at the bottom of my post.
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post #7428 of 13284
3/12/12 at 1:33pm
Ok I've had the 70" Elite now for over a month and beside the cyan issue (I don't even notice) this has been the closest TV to perfect that I've ever owned and I've owned a lot of TVs over the years, here are a couple that I've owed TC-P65S1, XVT3D650SV (total crap), PN63C8000, TC-P65VT30. So if you have the cash and been on the fence trust me you won't regret your decision and not to mention you get a two year warranty. Here are some pics of my set up.
LL
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post #7429 of 13284
3/12/12 at 1:35pm
C/Net tells me which way the wind blows from & I'll go out to see for myself ..but I digress L O L
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post #7430 of 13284
3/12/12 at 1:40pm
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Originally Posted by l0g0s View Post

Ok I've had the 70" Elite now for over a month and beside the cyan issue (I don't even notice) this has been the closest TV to perfect that I've ever owned and I've owned a lot of TVs over the years, here are a couple that I've owed TC-P65S1, XVT3D650SV (total crap), PN63C8000, TC-P65VT30. So if you have the cash and been on the fence trust me you won't regret your decision and not to mention you get a two year warranty. Here are some pics of my set up.

Nice looking. What settings are you using? What is that mounted way up near the ceiling????
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post #7431 of 13284
3/12/12 at 1:58pm
It's on THX with Cnet settings. That is a sign above the TV my wife's touch it says live well, love much, laugh often.
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post #7432 of 13284
3/12/12 at 2:01pm
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Originally Posted by l0g0s View Post

It's on THX with Cnet settings. That is a sign above the TV my wife's touch it says live well, love much, laugh often.

Ah ok for a minute I thought it was your center channel
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post #7433 of 13284
3/12/12 at 2:03pm
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Originally Posted by Suzook View Post

my question is how much of a discount off new are you getting. Unless its substantial I wouldnt bother. LCD's do not degrade over the time you are likely to get a new one (10 years plus at least)

"I wouldn't bother", do you mean getting old or new?

The two local b&ms are "in the neighborhood" with Amazon. I don't push hard until I am ready to move NOW. Of course, the flip side is that those numbers could be just to get me back in the store. We'll see.
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post #7434 of 13284
3/12/12 at 2:06pm
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Originally Posted by Richard in SF View Post


"I wouldn't bother", do you mean getting old or new?

The two local b&ms are "in the neighborhood" with Amazon. I don't push hard until I am ready to move NOW. Of course, the flip side is that those numbers could be just to get me back in the store. We'll see.

If the discount isnt substantial say 20% or more I would opt for new
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post #7435 of 13284
3/12/12 at 3:27pm
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Originally Posted by Suzook View Post


"What they didn't do is cancel the 945 to protect the tiny Elite market, that's for certain"

And you know this for certain how? Guessing and opinions dont count ;-)

Funny, I was sure you've told me you have me on ignore a good dozen times.

As to your answer... sources inside of Sharp (which I cannot reveal, of course, or else they would cease to be sources withing Sharp.... a concept that is lost on many here, sigh) are fairly insistent that the Elite line is basically run by a small group outside of the main Sharp channels. Its success doesn't shine a positive light on the rest of the Sharp TV's divisions financials (ditto its lack of success in reverse). The Sharp sales/marketing/product folks are not benefiting from Elite in the areas that matter to them and are therefore not protecting it....

It's funny, given what you knew about how poor Elite sales were in Florida some time back, you should have a sense just how little Elite contributes. No forecast for 945 wouldn't obliterate Elite on units, gross margin, revenue, etc. And it would provide a more direct halo on the Sharp brand than Elite does, especially given the arm's length of the branding.

So, again, I have speculation as to what happened to 945 (and whether it might resurface), but I have certainty it wasn't to protect this tiny, fledging Elite line that is not making Sharp money in any meaningful way (it's probably actually losing money when fully accounted) and isn't especially burnishing Sharp's brand. In fact, Sharp's brand strength (or remaining lack thereof) has something to do with the 945 issues I suspect. The market for $4000+ TV is really, really, really small. Even at the numbers they probably forecast for 945, there are doubtless questions about the risk/return when there are so many ways to move volume right now across the rest of their lines -- which are well assorted.

Consider also that Sony has more or less pulled the only other mainstream locally dimmed, full array TV from its lineup (the HX929 carries over, it's replacement is very, very uncertain). As much as we all love that technology, it's a tough sell in tough times... Anyway, I've moved into speculation, which is what I'd prefer to stay away from further from now -- especially in the Elite thread.
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post #7436 of 13284
3/12/12 at 3:33pm
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post


Funny, I was sure you've told me you have me on ignore a good dozen times.

As to your answer... sources inside of Sharp (which I cannot reveal, of course, or else they would cease to be sources withing Sharp.... a concept that is lost on many here, sigh) are fairly insistent that the Elite line is basically run by a small group outside of the main Sharp channels. Its success doesn't shine a positive light on the rest of the Sharp TV's divisions financials (ditto its lack of success in reverse). The Sharp sales/marketing/product folks are not benefiting from Elite in the areas that matter to them and are therefore not protecting it....

It's funny, given what you knew about how poor Elite sales were in Florida some time back, you should have a sense just how little Elite contributes. No forecast for 945 wouldn't obliterate Elite on units, gross margin, revenue, etc. And it would provide a more direct halo on the Sharp brand than Elite does, especially given the arm's length of the branding.

So, again, I have speculation as to what happened to 945 (and whether it might resurface), but I have certainty it wasn't to protect this tiny, fledging Elite line that is not making Sharp money in any meaningful way (it's probably actually losing money when fully accounted) and isn't especially burnishing Sharp's brand. In fact, Sharp's brand strength (or remaining lack thereof) has something to do with the 945 issues I suspect. The market for $4000+ TV is really, really, really small. Even at the numbers they probably forecast for 945, there are doubtless questions about the risk/return when there are so many ways to move volume right now across the rest of their lines -- which are well assorted.

Consider also that Sony has more or less pulled the only other mainstream locally dimmed, full array TV from its lineup (the HX929 carries over, it's replacement is very, very uncertain). As much as we all love that technology, it's a tough sell in tough times... Anyway, I've moved into speculation, which is what I'd prefer to stay away from further from now -- especially in the Elite thread.

Everyone deserves a second chance ;-)

And having read your response I largely agree
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post #7437 of 13284
3/12/12 at 3:34pm
Thanks for the info/thoughts. Makes you rethink whether the 2011 "Elite" will be the highest quality set in the 70" range for a long time.
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post #7438 of 13284
3/12/12 at 4:15pm
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Originally Posted by sjchmura View Post

Thanks for the info/thoughts. Makes you rethink whether the 2011 "Elite" will be the highest quality set in the 70" range for a long time.

Everything at this point is a crap shoot , the major players are all losing money, anything can happen .
Anyone who says they know what's gonna happen is just guessing .

I M H O
Not that it means anything !
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post #7439 of 13284
3/12/12 at 4:19pm
Agreed. But canceling (or removing upcoming products from the chain) that was due out Ina few months cannot be good for those who care about large screens and high quality.
I mean, does any believe LG84" 4k this year??? If so I have a bridge to sell you

The 945 seemed so sensible (save killing the Elite).


Here is hoping for Elite 2.0 70" 6k with cyan fix and no flashing!
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post #7440 of 13284
3/12/12 at 4:38pm
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Originally Posted by sjchmura View Post

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Here is hoping for Elite 2.0 70" 6k with cyan fix and no flashing!

I'll easily settle for an Elite 1 with Cyan fix & no flashing - worse comes to worse, I'll settle for an Elite 1. Oh, wait, I've already settled

I have to say, I thought the pic was great with the Cnet THX settings, but the calibrated pic - wow! The Cnet settings look just fair now.

OK, it's about my 7th calibration (everytime you learn something more!), but the improvement is far from minimal.
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