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post #7531 of 14514
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post


80" of which TV?

The 80 inch sharp 632
post #7532 of 14514
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Originally Posted by Suzook View Post

ns88

Well you have to realize you are comparing apples to oranges on a number of levels.

For the best blacks out there and reference viewing, the Elite win hands down.

However the Elite is almost 3 grand more plus it has a tech challenge right now that may or may not be solved (pulsing due to a local dimming bug)

The 80 once properly dialed in is in no way a slouch either.

So if its size, value and good pq. The 80 is the champ.

If its reference pq and the best out there (outside of the obvious issue which we hope is resolved soon) the Elite is the best tv out there forgetting price

Thanks for taking the time to comment. Good points. I still have 3 months to decide if I want o keep the 80 632. I'm impressed by the set, but the Elite sounds great, and the possibility of an 80 Elite is very seductive. I guess it's good to have choices.
post #7533 of 14514
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Originally Posted by markjwebb View Post

More trouble at Sharp as they replace the company president
http://news.yahoo.com/japans-sharp-r...061715997.html

How is this a sign of "trouble"?
post #7534 of 14514
... funny that the 945 was canceled or put on hold shortly after Sharp claimed to have been able to reproduce the "pulsing" issue in their labs. Is it possible that Sharp pulled back the 945 because it may also be impacted by the problem?

Also, Sharp is not in trouble... they are a key supplier of LCD screens to Apple for the new iPad shipping today. Apple would probably not commit to Sharp as a supplier if they felt Sharp was going under. Also, Sharp is reportedly supplying Apple with the LCD panels for Apple's upcoming TV set, rumored to be released late this year or early next.
post #7535 of 14514
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Originally Posted by ns88 View Post


Thanks for taking the time to comment. Good points. I still have 3 months to decide if I want o keep the 80 632. I'm impressed by the set, but the Elite sounds great, and the possibility of an 80 Elite is very seductive. I guess it's good to have choices.

An 80 Elite sounds awesome but the price is likely to be shocking
post #7536 of 14514
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Originally Posted by AZREOSpecialist View Post

... funny that the 945 was canceled or put on hold shortly after Sharp claimed to have been able to reproduce the "pulsing" issue in their labs. Is it possible that Sharp pulled back the 945 because it may also be impacted by the problem?

Yes, it's possible that nothing new is coming with local-dimming until they figure out how to make it more perfect. That's a very plausible theory, although we still don't really know what led to the delay/cancellation of 945.
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Also, Sharp is not in trouble... they are a key supplier of LCD screens to Apple for the new iPad shipping today. Apple would probably not commit to Sharp as a supplier if they felt Sharp was going under. Also, Sharp is reportedly supplying Apple with the LCD panels for Apple's upcoming TV set, rumored to be released late this year or early next.

Sharp is not "going under", but they are definitely "in trouble". One of the few good things they have going right now is their dealings with Apple. It's important because it's a new source of demand and if/when they do get qualified to deliver new iPad screens, the profit-per-substrate off that 8G line they are producing them on will skyrocket vs. what it was.

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Originally Posted by Suzook View Post

An 80 Elite sounds awesome but the price is likely to be shocking

Robert of VE is now saying he's hearing this model is real. I'm still skeptical because of the volumes, however... There exists a second scenario on the 945 cancellation that's worth thinking about... It's the one where they cancel 945 and drop the Elites down in price sufficiently to lead to a 3-5x volume increase. We can play guessing games about what those numbers would have to be, but let's say $3999 and $4999 for argument's sake.

If that scenario came to pass, the 80" Elite would be intriguing to serve as a "foil" to get more 70s sold; at least according to Sharp's public statements. They claimed that 70" sales increased once the 80" was out to allow people to compare. Now, 70" sales increased throughout 2011, so I am skeptical that the growth-curve really kinked up (they released no data or even a percentage increase number, increasing my skepticism).

But let's pretend this "Elite = more volume at a more mainstream-y, but still high-ish price" thing happens. In that case, the 80" would already do much more volume at, say, $5999-6499 that it would if it's sold under the current framework and comes out at $8999. And the differences there are really probably huge.... So we can hope.
post #7537 of 14514
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post


Yes, it's possible that nothing new is coming with local-dimming until they figure out how to make it more perfect. That's a very plausible theory, although we still don't really know what led to the delay/cancellation of 945.

Sharp is not "going under", but they are definitely "in trouble". One of the few good things they have going right now is their dealings with Apple. It's important because it's a new source of demand and if/when they do get qualified to deliver new iPad screens, the profit-per-substrate off that 8G line they are producing them on will skyrocket vs. what it was.

Robert of VE is now saying he's hearing this model is real. I'm still skeptical because of the volumes, however... There exists a second scenario on the 945 cancellation that's worth thinking about... It's the one where they cancel 945 and drop the Elites down in price sufficiently to lead to a 3-5x volume increase. We can play guessing games about what those numbers would have to be, but let's say $3999 and $4999 for argument's sake.

If that scenario came to pass, the 80" Elite would be intriguing to serve as a "foil" to get more 70s sold; at least according to Sharp's public statements. They claimed that 70" sales increased once the 80" was out to allow people to compare. Now, 70" sales increased throughout 2011, so I am skeptical that the growth-curve really kinked up (they released no data or even a percentage increase number, increasing my skepticism).

But let's pretend this "Elite = more volume at a more mainstream-y, but still high-ish price" thing happens. In that case, the 80" would already do much more volume at, say, $5999-6499 that it would if it's sold under the current framework and comes out at $8999. And the differences there are really probably huge.... So we can hope.

Im thinking closer to a 10k msrp. Who wants to start a pool. Ill throw in five bucks.
post #7538 of 14514
without reading through the entire thread can someone tell me how the Elite handles sports...meaning fast motion which was always a weakness of LCD...I'm a huge NFL and NBA fan and need to have my set display sports programming perfectly...any issues?
post #7539 of 14514
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

without reading through the entire thread can someone tell me how the Elite handles sports...meaning fast motion which was always a weakness of LCD...I'm a huge NFL and NBA fan and need to have my set display sports programming perfectly...any issues?

Very well. However like anything else the source matters. Superbowl was spectacular on the elite (besides the pats losing)
post #7540 of 14514
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Originally Posted by Suzook View Post

Very well. However like anything else the source matters. Superbowl was spectacular on the elite (besides the pats losing)

I'm getting tempted to bite on it...it's come down to 4 choices for me...

1) wait for the Elite 2.0 and buy it

2) wait for the Elite 2.0 to come out and buy the Elite 1.0 at a big savings

3) buy the Elite 1.0 now

4) buy the HX929 as a substitute or keep my current VT30

negatives to waiting for Elite 2: November is too far away...prices will be sky high

positives: A) possible cyan/pulsing fix...B) even though the Sharp 4K upscaling is really, really nice from what I hear but it's still upscaling...native 4K is what really interests me...when will this happen outside of Blu-ray?
post #7541 of 14514
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Originally Posted by AnotherDude View Post


Calibrating has nothing to do with the pulsing / flashing. Some people see it, some don't, some don't see it in THX & ISF modes but do in other modes, but if you do you'll see it regardless of calibration.

Has it been confirmed that every set pulses, or are some people able to see pulsing and not others? If not every set pulses, the calibrator should be able to "weed out the bad ones" and send out a good one. Does anyone have an experience where they saw pulsing and the person next to them couldn't?
post #7542 of 14514
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Originally Posted by Sick Mother View Post

Has it been confirmed that every set pulses, or are some people able to see pulsing and not others? If not every set pulses, the calibrator should be able to "weed out the bad ones" and send out a good one. Does anyone have an experience where they saw pulsing and the person next to them couldn't?

(as an example) as good of a retailer as Robert @ v.e. is i can not phathom he, and Kevin Miller going through sets until they find one that has no pulsing issues. i just don't see retailers rejecting set after open box set.
post #7543 of 14514
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post


(as an example) as good of a retailer as Robert @ v.e. is i can not phathom he, and Kevin Miller going through sets until they find one that has no pulsing issues. i just don't see retailers rejecting set after open box set.

If they are going through "set after set" it would clearly indicate this is a major problem across the line, not just a set here or there. Further, they wouldn't be stuck with any sets as they would be sent back to Sharp. Now if they all have it, then this answers my initial question.
post #7544 of 14514
I just watched "The Art of Flight" on my 70" Elite. Let me tell you guys and gals, this is one of the most color vibrant Blu ray's I have seen yet.
The opening scene is amazing.
It makes the Elite really come to life with the awesome HD photography of the snow covered mountains.
It is definitely an excellent demo disc to show off this amazing display.
The colors just pop out of the screen. Bright sunlight amazing footage.

Check it out.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1646967/
post #7545 of 14514
your right no retailer should be expected to check each set. SHARP SHOULD BE DOING THAT ALREADY
post #7546 of 14514
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Originally Posted by Suzook View Post

Im thinking closer to a 10k msrp. Who wants to start a pool. Ill throw in five bucks.

I'll stick with $8999. If I win, you'll probably have to pay me on another site, though. I doubt I'll be welcome here by then.

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Originally Posted by Suzook View Post

your right no retailer should be expected to check each set. SHARP SHOULD BE DOING THAT ALREADY

It's clear they don't though.
post #7547 of 14514
I have fallen under the sway of the group whom I consider the majority of owners. I bought a 60" yesterday that unfortunately can't be delivered until Monday. It is interesting that once I made up my mind, my 2006 Sammy DLP has started looking really good. Now just have to figure out how to get rid of it.
post #7548 of 14514
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Originally Posted by Richard in SF View Post

I have fallen under the sway of the group whom I consider the majority of owners.

I think it's more than the majority. I'm sure you'll be happy.
post #7549 of 14514
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Originally Posted by AZREOSpecialist View Post

Also, Sharp is not in trouble... they are a key supplier of LCD screens to Apple for the new iPad shipping today. Apple would probably not commit to Sharp as a supplier if they felt Sharp was going under. Also, Sharp is reportedly supplying Apple with the LCD panels for Apple's upcoming TV set, rumored to be released late this year or early next.

According to Bloomberg, Sharp and LG failed to meet Apple's quality requirements for the new iPad and Apple is initially using Samsung panels
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...-new-ipad.html
post #7550 of 14514
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Originally Posted by markjwebb View Post

According to Bloomberg, Sharp and LG failed to meet Apple's quality requirements for the new iPad and Apple is initially using Samsung panels
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...-new-ipad.html

Funny how Apple and Samsung are at each other's throats in court, but yet they scratch each other's back. I guess as Gordon Gekko said "Greed is good"
post #7551 of 14514
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Originally Posted by Sick Mother View Post

Has it been confirmed that every set pulses, or are some people able to see pulsing and not others?

I'm convinced that every set has the problem and that some people and some environments cause the problem to be more or less noticeable. Certainly not confirmed, but given the number of sets that have been replaced and no one has had the pulsing disappear with the replacement, its statistically unlikely that the pulsing is due to a "bad TV". This is re-enforced by someone selling a TV that pulsed to someone else that never saw the problem.

As for the 945 being cancelled because of the pulsing, its possible, but I wouldn't necessarily say it was shortly after. They've been able to reproduce the pulsing since January.
post #7552 of 14514
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Originally Posted by markjwebb View Post

According to Bloomberg, Sharp and LG failed to meet Apple's quality requirements for the new iPad and Apple is initially using Samsung panels
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...-new-ipad.html

LG has already been qualified. They won't be in the initial shipments, but probably as soon as next month.

Sharp is TBD.

Bloomberg's report is correct, but if it implies LG is still not qualified, it's a little out of date.
post #7553 of 14514
Received my replacement 70" this past Thursday.

I know it has only been a few days but this set is far better than my first.

Build date 1/2012. The off angle viewing is much improved, why...no idea but it is.

I have used the cnet settigs (tweaked) and the picture is gorgeous.

No pixel issues.

NO handshake issues with my Pioneer AVR (SC-57).

No pulsing in any mode that I can see and I have watched TDK scenes several times.

DSE is almost non existent.

The swap went flawlessly.

I do hesitate to update to the .16 software, it shipped with the .15, why fix something that is not broken :-)

Kudos to Sharp for making this right.
post #7554 of 14514
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Originally Posted by kirklake13 View Post

Received my replacement 70" this past Thursday.

I know it has only been a few days but this set is far better than my first.

Build date 1/2012. The off angle viewing is much improved, why...no idea but it is.

I have used the cnet settigs (tweaked) and the picture is gorgeous.

No pixel issues.

NO handshake issues with my Pioneer AVR (SC-57).

No pulsing in any mode that I can see and I have watched TDK scenes several times.

DSE is almost non existent.

The swap went flawlessly.

I do hesitate to update to the .16 software, it shipped with the .15, why fix something that is not broken :-)

Kudos to Sharp for making this right.

Lucky dog
post #7555 of 14514
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Originally Posted by kirklake13 View Post

Received my replacement 70" this past Thursday.

Kudos to Sharp for making this right.

sounds good...although the viewing angle fix/improvement is a placebo effect
post #7556 of 14514
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Originally Posted by jeffs2 View Post

I'm convinced that every set has the problem and that some people and some environments cause the problem to be more or less noticeable. Certainly not confirmed, but given the number of sets that have been replaced and no one has had the pulsing disappear with the replacement, its statistically unlikely that the pulsing is due to a "bad TV". This is re-enforced by someone selling a TV that pulsed to someone else that never saw the problem.

As for the 945 being cancelled because of the pulsing, its possible, but I wouldn't necessarily say it was shortly after. They've been able to reproduce the pulsing since January.

I think the magnitude of this issue needs to be put in perspective. Some people don't have it/don't see it depending on the mode. Count me in this grouping. Now before someone accuses me of not being able to recognize pulsing, it's absolutely there in non-THX movie mode. In fact, depending on the content, it's quite obvious.

So I clearly know what it looks like and just as clearly don't see it in either THX, ISF night or ISF day (nor did Kevin Miller). I think there are many other owners that fit into this category. You can also put all the professional reviewers in this same category as it's never (or rarely) commented on nor does it serve to detract from the reviewer's overall stellar rating of the set.

So I do believe there are other issues involved in the manifestation of this problem. What they are I can't say for sure, but I wouldn't rule out other equipment in the chain, calibrations or sample to sample variation.

But there is zero question in my mind that to say that every set has it and it can be seen in every mode, is simply inaccurate.
post #7557 of 14514
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Originally Posted by markjwebb View Post

According to Bloomberg, Sharp and LG failed to meet Apple's quality requirements for the new iPad and Apple is initially using Samsung panels
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...-new-ipad.html

And of course this says nothing about Sharp in general and its Elite set. All it does say is that at least initially, Sharp & LG wasn't meeting whatever criteria Apple had set forth. We don't even know where these companies initially failed since we have no idea what the criteria was.

Bottom line? I'm not sure what the relevance of this is in an Elite thread.
post #7558 of 14514
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post


And of course this says nothing about Sharp in general and its Elite set. All it does say is that at least initially, Sharp & LG wasn't meeting whatever criteria Apple had set forth. We don't even know where these companies initially failed since we have no idea what the criteria was.

Bottom line? I'm not sure what the relevance of this is in an Elite thread.

The criteria was probably yield and pricing. And I agree that this is off-topic for this thread. 4k screens aren't really in the same realm as the high-density displays in the 250ppi and up range. So Sharp having yield issues there doesn't have any impact on their current or future production of Elites.
post #7559 of 14514
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Originally Posted by kirklake13 View Post


Build date 1/2012.

Kudos to Sharp for making this right.

Thank you, Kirk. I think you are the second person to post build date; both were 70" people.

I would really appreciate it if some 60" people would give out that info, either publicly or via PM. When mine arrives on Monday, I'll be very curious if it is a 'fresh build', or if has been sitting in the back of a warehouse somewhere (or even if it is one of these 'phantom refurbs').

Richard
post #7560 of 14514
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