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post #8371 of 13284
4/26/12 at 8:25am
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

IMO Sharp is charging for the best display available, not perfection. Anyone waiting for the perfect display will go their grave listening to the radio, the perfect display will never come.

I wholeheartedly agree with this. At the same time I recognize that others may have a different level of expectation for quality from their electronics purchases. I'm afraid they may never be satisfied, as Ken alludes, if they look for perfection.

Just because the Elite is very expensive doesn't necessarily mean that it will have higher quality and nor have I heard any claims from Sharp as such. Ken is spot on in saying that the Elite is trying to instead be the "best available". If someone disagrees and prefers the Sony, they fortunately have other options.

Like automobiles, expensive electronics models & brands will not have necessarily better quality and instead offer improved features or performance, but often also at a significant bump in cost. For those more interested in value and/or quality, there is always the Toyota/Lexus option. Great models at good prices but just not necessarily the "best available". But still not perfection...
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post #8372 of 13284
4/26/12 at 12:21pm
Hi guys, I have been offered the 70" version of this Sharp Elite at roughly 1/3 the MSRP (out the door), which here in Canada is $9,000.00. I am very tempted but hesitate for I still have my 60" Pioneer Kuro.

I just read this last page and it seems there is an issue with flickering and something about inaccurate colour levels that Sharp was supposed to have provided a FW up-grade for, yet has not delivered.....

Can someone outline all the issues that some or most have had problems with. I don't want to spend $3500.00 for a set that has problems.

PS Off axis viewing will not affect my setup, so not an issue for me.

Thanks

Paul
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post #8373 of 13284
4/26/12 at 1:14pm
If you can actually get the set for $3k and are not just trolling, take it and run home as long as it is covered by warrantee.
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post #8374 of 13284
4/26/12 at 1:16pm
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Originally Posted by hidefpaul View Post

Hi guys, I have been offered the 70" version of this Sharp Elite at 1/3 the MSRP (out the door), which here in Canada is $9,000.00.

Is that for a brand new set? Holy crap, if you don't want it send me a PM; I'll buy the set and have it shipped down here to me.

I'm not an owner so I'm not qualified to answer your other questions definitively, but I did read the thread, where all the answers are hashed and re-hashed. I expect the responses you will get from owners will be along the lines of:

"Is that for a brand new set? Holy crap, buy it!"

My understanding is that the recent firmware update significantly improved the "flickering issue" for most people, and that the "color inaccuracy" is only visible in side-by-side comparisons with other sets; not something that would be noticeable in normal viewing.

But wait for the several current owners to respond. They're the experts.

Edit: See? Dsinger is already in there with "take it and run home", roughly equivalent to "Holy crap, buy it!"
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post #8375 of 13284
4/26/12 at 1:24pm
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Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

If you can actually get the set for $3k and are not just trolling, take it and run home as long as it is covered by warrantee.

Hi dsinger, I knew I probably should not have mentioned the price, I did edit the price to the correct number.....its a group /work buy (10 sets in total)....anyway I just wanted to know, if besides the cyan colour issue or the flickering issue (gain not seen by all) as per what little reading I have done on this thread, are there any other concerns I should be aware of.

Yes, the sets are new, full warranty from a authorized local dealer.

Paul
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post #8376 of 13284
4/26/12 at 1:25pm
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Originally Posted by hidefpaul View Post

Hi guys, I have been offered the 70" version of this Sharp Elite at 1/3 the MSRP (out the door), which here in Canada is $9,000.00. I am very tempted but hesitate for I still have my 60" Pioneer Kuro.

I just read this last page and it seems there is an issue with flickering and something about inaccurate colour levels that Sharp was supposed to have provided a FW up-grade for, yet has not delivered.....

Can someone outline all the issues that some or most have had problems with. I don't want to spend $3000.00 for a set that has problems.

PS Off axis viewing will not affect my setup, so not an issue for me.

Thanks

Paul

That's a steal! The color inaccuracy only occurs with cyan between 10 and 50% luminance levels so it's something you probably won't notice. Flickering was also greatly reduced in a recent firmware update and is seldom seen. If you do decide to buy it check thoroughly as there may be a reason they're selling it so cheap.
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post #8377 of 13284
4/26/12 at 1:27pm
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Originally Posted by hidefpaul View Post

Hi dsinger, I knew I probably should not have mentioned the price.....its a group buy (8 sets in total)....anyway I just wanted to know, if besides the cyan colour issue or the flickering issue (gain not seen by all) as per what little raeding I have done on this thread, are there any other concerns I should be aware of.

Paul

Even as a group buy that doesn't sound right as 3k is WELL BELOW dealer cost.
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post #8378 of 13284
4/26/12 at 1:46pm
Can we please just forget about the price......I was offered this deal, IT IS STILL NOT 100% A GO! ......I would just like to know if there is any other outstanding issues.

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Paul
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post #8379 of 13284
4/26/12 at 2:01pm
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Originally Posted by hidefpaul View Post

Hi guys, I have been offered the 70" version of this Sharp Elite at roughly 1/3 the MSRP (out the door), which here in Canada is $9,000.00. I am very tempted but hesitate for I still have my 60" Pioneer Kuro.

I just read this last page and it seems there is an issue with flickering and something about inaccurate colour levels that Sharp was supposed to have provided a FW up-grade for, yet has not delivered.....

Can someone outline all the issues that some or most have had problems with. I don't want to spend $3500.00 for a set that has problems.

PS Off axis viewing will not affect my setup, so not an issue for me.

Thanks

Paul

Sharp has addressed the pulsing with one fix that for most, essentially solves the problems. The problems were usually mitigated in the THX modes and with the update, most simply don't have any significant issues.

The "inaccurate color" applies to one color, cyan (rarely seen) and even then it's only at lower luminance levels. Virtually all owners see no color issues. The color is gorgeous and I'm coming from a Kuro Pro151.

The most significant problem with the display is off-axis viewing which for you is not an issue.

I seriously question your pricing though.
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post #8380 of 13284
4/26/12 at 2:28pm
Forget about the color issue. Its enormously overblown.

I just got off the phone with Sharp and they are sending a technician to my home to witness the flickering. Good service. I just hope I get a reasonably intelligent tech. Hoping for one with specific knowledge of the flickering might be asking too much. They indicated they would replace the set if needed. I told them I wanted Kens You dont mind Ken. Right?

dsinger
I have convinced myself that using IVC advanced low vs just local dimming on does indeed hurt the picture sharpness/clarity/detail. I have been been watching a lot of NFL Network coverage and where I can see it most prominently is in peoples faces. The advanced low makes the brighter places on peoples faces look unatural and less detailed.

To be very clear, my picture looks very, very good on my non-calibrated TV using the advanced low IVC feature. But I dont like the idea of having to use it and I know when I get the TV calibrated, that feature will not be used.
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post #8381 of 13284
4/26/12 at 3:05pm
Hey Paul - At that price pick up 12 of them and I'll take 2 of them off your hands at $3,500 loonies each!

(sorry - couldn't resist)

Seriously though, almost all of the owners here are very happy with the TV at whatever real-world price they paid for it. I saw a sticker price on the 70" at a dealer in Canada this week for $7,200 (CAD obviously). I doubt they could have been talked down much further. The cyan issue has to be searched out to be seen under very specific circumstances, and the reported flickering has been reduced by firmware fix #1 with # 2 to follow.

Now PM me with the specifics - I'll take 2, LOL!

- JD



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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Sharp has addressed the pulsing with one fix that for most, essentially solves the problems. The problems were usually mitigated in the THX modes and with the update, most simply don't have any significant issues.

The "inaccurate color" applies to one color, cyan (rarely seen) and even then it's only at lower luminance levels. Virtually all owners see no color issues. The color is gorgeous and I'm coming from a Kuro Pro151.

The most significant problem with the display is off-axis viewing which for you is not an issue.

I seriously question your pricing though.
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post #8382 of 13284
4/26/12 at 6:15pm
Guys, please stop inferring that the flickering issue is solved. I'm glad some have noticed improvement as I have or have really never had a problem with it, but that does not equal solved. I would still buy the set today knowing all that I know, but that doesn't mean it's perfect. Just because you personally do not notice flickering doesn't mean that you have enough data to call the issue resolved
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post #8383 of 13284
4/26/12 at 6:30pm
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Originally Posted by hhtatum View Post

Forget about the color issue. Its enormously overblown.

I just got off the phone with Sharp and they are sending a technician to my home to witness the flickering. Good service. I just hope I get a reasonably intelligent tech. Hoping for one with specific knowledge of the flickering might be asking too much. They indicated they would replace the set if needed. I told them I wanted Kens You dont mind Ken. Right?

dsinger
I have convinced myself that using IVC advanced low vs just local dimming on does indeed hurt the picture sharpness/clarity/detail. I have been been watching a lot of NFL Network coverage and where I can see it most prominently is in peoples faces. The advanced low makes the brighter places on peoples faces look unatural and less detailed.

To be very clear, my picture looks very, very good on my non-calibrated TV using the advanced low IVC feature. But I dont like the idea of having to use it and I know when I get the TV calibrated, that feature will not be used.

No, you can't have mine.

I'm a bit confused by your post though. You say you're convinced that IVC advanced low does hurt the picture (or am I not interpreting what you've said correctly?). So why use it? It's an unnatural setting that many displays use under a variety of names. None of them work well and a calibrator doing an ISF will not use it. They'll use the 'LD On' setting. You get great blacks and great contrast, so it's a win win.

At any rate, I don't like any of the advanced settings, they just don't look right to my eyes. I don't think that using LD on hurts the picture one bit, quite the contrary. I see no loss in detail relative to the advanced settings.
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post #8384 of 13284
4/26/12 at 6:53pm
What is the latest manufacturing date?
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post #8385 of 13284
4/26/12 at 7:13pm
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Originally Posted by Spiff69 View Post

Guys, please stop inferring that the flickering issue is solved. I'm glad some have noticed improvement as I have or have really never had a problem with it, but that does not equal solved. I would still buy the set today knowing all that I know, but that doesn't mean it's perfect. Just because you personally do not notice flickering doesn't mean that you have enough data to call the issue resolved

I totally agree with you. The flickering is still seen by many, including myself (when looking for it). Sharp has made a step forward in fixing this issue with the last update, but it definitely didn't "solve", or "fix" it. We don't need to send a message to sharp that we are ok with it's current state, as we have all read some folks are still very much distracted by this issue. And imo, this issue is still the biggest issue with this set not the cyan issue.
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post #8386 of 13284
4/26/12 at 8:00pm
+1. Improved but not forgotten.

We want the $8000 70" TV, not the $6500 equivalent .
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post #8387 of 13284
4/27/12 at 4:52am
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Originally Posted by hhtatum View Post

Forget about the color issue. Its enormously overblown.

I just got off the phone with Sharp and they are sending a technician to my home to witness the flickering. Good service. I just hope I get a reasonably intelligent tech. Hoping for one with specific knowledge of the flickering might be asking too much. They indicated they would replace the set if needed. I told them I wanted Kens You dont mind Ken. Right?

dsinger
I have convinced myself that using IVC advanced low vs just local dimming on does indeed hurt the picture sharpness/clarity/detail. I have been been watching a lot of NFL Network coverage and where I can see it most prominently is in peoples faces. The advanced low makes the brighter places on peoples faces look unatural and less detailed.

To be very clear, my picture looks very, very good on my non-calibrated TV using the advanced low IVC feature. But I dont like the idea of having to use it and I know when I get the TV calibrated, that feature will not be used.

You may want to experiment with reducing your contrast and/or backlight settings a bit and see if you notice more detail/sharpness with both settings. I think you will find a definite improvement after a professional calibration.
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post #8388 of 13284
4/27/12 at 6:48am
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

No, you can't have mine.

I'm a bit confused by your post though. You say you're convinced that IVC advanced low does hurt the picture (or am I not interpreting what you've said correctly?). So why use it? It's an unnatural setting that many displays use under a variety of names. None of them work well and a calibrator doing an ISF will not use it. They'll use the 'LD On' setting. You get great blacks and great contrast, so it's a win win.

At any rate, I don't like any of the advanced settings, they just don't look right to my eyes. I don't think that using LD on hurts the picture one bit, quite the contrary. I see no loss in detail relative to the advanced settings.

My whole point is that I HAVE to use IVC 'advanced low' because it eliminates the flickering. When I use 'LD on' setting, I get significant and unwatchable flickering (THX mode with CNET settings). Ultimately, I do think 'LD on' is the way to go. I just wish I could use it. It would also be nice to get the TV calibrated but I cant because I know a calibrator will use 'LD On'
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post #8389 of 13284
4/27/12 at 7:00am
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Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

You may want to experiment with reducing your contrast and/or backlight settings a bit and see if you notice more detail/sharpness with both settings. I think you will find a definite improvement after a professional calibration.

Thats what I have done when I am using the IVC advanced low setting. I am using the CNET settings but I move contrast down from 32 to 28 and brightness +1 to -4. This definitely compensates and keeps the picture from being too bright but the IVC is still "enhancing" bright areas in the picture. I watched NFL Network draft coverage all day yesterday and you can really tell the difference in the faces. IVC makes them look slightly unnatural where LD on looks natural along with adding some detail.
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post #8390 of 13284
4/27/12 at 7:24am
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Originally Posted by hhtatum View Post


Thats what I have done when I am using the IVC advanced low setting. I am using the CNET settings but I move contrast down from 32 to 28 and brightness +1 to -4. This definitely compensates and keeps the picture from being too bright but the IVC is still "enhancing" bright areas in the picture. I watched NFL Network draft coverage all day yesterday and you can really tell the difference in the faces. IVC makes them look slightly unnatural where LD on looks natural along with adding some detail.

Try upping the brightness back to +1, and backing contrast even further down to 23... With extensive testing, I've found that these settings along with IVC low with Cnet settings gets the closest to looking like LD on. I've tried it the way you currently have it, and I find it to crush blacks a bit in dark scenes. I know not everyone's set is the same, but it's worth a shot.
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post #8391 of 13284
4/27/12 at 8:04am
any new rumors about a 80" Elite Yet ??

Thought I'd change up the tone here alittle .
I'm waiting on a 80" Elite
(there's a settlement in my future )
, So I wait watching a 623 80" ........ size does matter to me ....
My friend who buys my Sharp Display cast-offs , said his son asked "when IS Mike gonna give us his 80" 632" ...L O L
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post #8392 of 13284
4/27/12 at 8:30am
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Originally Posted by GeneWildersHair View Post

Try upping the brightness back to +1, and backing contrast even further down to 23... With extensive testing, I've found that these settings along with IVC low with Cnet settings gets the closest to looking like LD on. I've tried it the way you currently have it, and I find it to crush blacks a bit in dark scenes. I know not everyone's set is the same, but it's worth a shot.

Thanks I will try that.
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post #8393 of 13284
4/27/12 at 9:07am
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Originally Posted by hhtatum View Post


Thanks I will try that.

Definitely work at it. Just keeping the settings the same and switching to IVC low will certainly not be ideal. I was surprised at how much better I could make things.
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post #8394 of 13284
4/27/12 at 9:10am
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Originally Posted by Spiff69 View Post

Definitely work at it. Just keeping the settings the same and switching to IVC low will certainly not be ideal. I was surprised at how much better I could make things.

Where did you end up on your Contrast, Brightness and Backlight setting?
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post #8395 of 13284
4/27/12 at 9:20am
According to the Sharp rep the 80" Elite is in the works but it is not based off any current Sharp 80" models so it is taking longer to develop. He says it should be out in January 2013 but I honestly wouldn't expect it until this time next year.

I was going to try to hold out for it but I couldn't wait a year so I bought the 70 Elite last week.
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post #8396 of 13284
4/27/12 at 10:14am
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Originally Posted by mgmlot93 View Post

According to the Sharp rep the 80" Elite is in the works but it is not based off any current Sharp 80" models so it is taking longer to develop. He says it should be out in January 2013 but I honestly wouldn't expect it until this time next year.

I was going to try to hold out for it but I couldn't wait a year so I bought the 70 Elite last week.

If that is true, could be the 4K IZGO panels they showed at CES. Hopefully, we will hear something by June.
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post #8397 of 13284
4/27/12 at 10:31am
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Originally Posted by mgmlot93 View Post

According to the Sharp rep the 80" Elite is in the works but it is not based off any current Sharp 80" models so it is taking longer to develop. He says it should be out in January 2013 but I honestly wouldn't expect it until this time next year.

I was going to try to hold out for it but I couldn't wait a year so I bought the 70 Elite last week.

that's why I went 632 80" I couldn't wait
but selling a 632 80" is a better bet on getting some value back on a quick resale of a 632 80" over selling a 70" Elite ... IMO ..
I know others here will dispute that !
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post #8398 of 13284
4/27/12 at 10:51am
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Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

If you can actually get the set for $3k and are not just trolling, take it and run home as long as it is covered by warrantee.

Ya, unless you are buying direct from Pioneer and they give you a hell of a price, I highly doubt you will not be getting the set for $3K in good condition with warranty. Now, I am sure you can get a damaged unit for that price. As noted above, you may want to start a business if you find that price

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Originally Posted by cleiomar View Post

Even as a group buy that doesn't sound right as 3k is WELL BELOW dealer cost.

Correct

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Originally Posted by hidefpaul View Post

Can we please just forget about the price......I was offered this deal, IT IS STILL NOT 100% A GO! ......I would just like to know if there is any other outstanding issues.

Thanks

Paul

Every TV has issues of some kind, I have never seen a set made yet that has not had issues after being examined with a microscope.

The Elite is a solid unit Great set overall.......
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post #8399 of 13284
4/27/12 at 3:21pm
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

any new rumors about a 80" Elite Yet ??

Thought I'd change up the tone here alittle .
I'm waiting on a 80" Elite
(there's a settlement in my future )
, So I wait watching a 623 80" ........ size does matter to me ....
My friend who buys my Sharp Display cast-offs , said his son asked "when IS Mike gonna give us his 80" 632" ...L O L

I heard from a reliable source the other day that's it's a flat "no". The tv would be north around $10k and the market for that price would not make it realistic.
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4/28/12 at 5:54am
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Originally Posted by DJ Mike Fury View Post

I heard from a reliable source the other day that's it's a flat "no". The tv would be north around $10k and the market for that price would not make it realistic.

However there is supposed to be a Sharp '9' series 80 inch coming out in late August. The '9' series is their top line model.
Some like CNET say this isn't true but some dealers say it will come about.

It will be sort of an 'Elite lite', with full array and local dimming.
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