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Originally Posted by HD 335 View Post

I would also suggest you start off my completely turning off the motion enhancement setting. Even at the lowest setting, I still could see a slight SOE as you seem to be just about as sensitive as I am to it.

Also, I might be opening my own Pandora's box here... but can you tell me a Blu-ray disc and particular scene where DSE is obvious? I've read up on DSE and the description but still have not seen it. This might be because I just view it as film grain

That was the first thing I did yesterday and will do it again. The DSE was noticeable on Sweeney Todd in the "best pies in London" scene and very apparent on Jeff Beck and Imelda May tribute to Les Paul (How High the Moon). I did not see it in Dark Knight. I had Avatar with me but opted not to use it for either TV as it just has too much CG to be a valid PQ yardstick IMO.
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Finally got my 70 wall mounted with a Sanus LL-11 low-profile wall mount. Paired with Elite SC-57 and GoldenEar TritonCinema 5.1.

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I would also suggest you start off my completely turning off the motion enhancement setting. Even at the lowest setting, I still could see a slight SOE as you seem to be just about as sensitive as I am to it.

Also, I might be opening my own Pandora's box here... but can you tell me a Blu-ray disc and particular scene where DSE is obvious? I've read up on DSE and the description but still have not seen it. This might be because I just view it as film grain

You can find a Hockey game and keep your eye on the ice as it pans back and forth. I'd not recommend going any further then that, if the ice looks good to you then be content with what you have and enjoy your picture. I often notice people who get themselves all worked up over something that does not exist. Be warned that source content can also play a huge factor, it can easily fool you into thinking you have an artifact when you don't. I've recently experienced this issue with a DVR Recording of mine, good luck with your search.
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Finally got my 70 wall mounted with a Sanus LL-11 low-profile wall mount. Paired with Elite SC-57 and GoldenEar TritonCinema 5.1.

Now that's a hip set up. But do you think the main speakers are too far about to provide a good sound stage? Maybe tow them in. Just being anal ;-)
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Originally Posted by General Kenobi View Post

That was the first thing I did yesterday and will do it again. The DSE was noticeable on Sweeney Todd in the "best pies in London" scene and very apparent on Jeff Beck and Imelda May tribute to Les Paul (How High the Moon). I did not see it in Dark Knight. I had Avatar with me but opted not to use it for either TV as it just has too much CG to be a valid PQ yardstick IMO.

Thanks GK! I sold off my Sweeney Todd disc but do have Jeff Beck's tribute to Les Paul. The Dark Knight's IMAX scenes are gorgeous on the Elite, if only the rest of the film retained that type of resolution I would be drooling like an infant the entire run time.


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Finally got my 70 wall mounted with a Sanus LL-11 low-profile wall mount. Paired with Elite SC-57 and GoldenEar TritonCinema 5.1.


Very nice! I wish my living room was large enough to accommodate such a wide TV cabinet/stand. The white is very chic and my lady would've loved to have that in place of my existing audio rack. The Tritons are excellent speakers, especially for the price, when I auditioned them at CES last year. Sandy was so generous in letting me listen to my own CDs for an extended period of time. The tweeters are brilliant, unmatched to any other tower I have listened to within the $5K and under speakers.

We almost bought that same floor lamp as well! However we began to notice that too many of our friends started to buy a similar design and being we prefer to be a bit more unique, decided on something else. We still think it's an elegant piece.


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You can find a Hockey game and keep your eye on the ice as it pans back and forth. I'd not recommend going any further then that, if the ice looks good to you then be content with what you have and enjoy your picture. I often notice people who get themselves all worked up over something that does not exist. Be warned that source content can also play a huge factor, it can easily fool you into thinking you have an artifact when you don't. I've recently experienced this issue with a DVR Recording of mine, good luck with your search.

I'm not a huge hockey fan (basketball is my sport) but will see what I can find on ESPN. I usually prefer to find a Blu-ray only because as you mentioned, the source content or even a sudden increase in bandwidth may degrade the quality. Ignorance maybe bliss at times, but I do enjoy my this hobby and it would be a travesty if I didn't make a mild attempt at understanding all the subtle attributes of each panel that I buy. It's also very possible that DSE just doesn't bother me. Two of my good friends prefer to have the SOE look, or possible they are just used to it now, while I just can't stand it. One even has BD rips but there is an occasional judder effect that I find to be unbearable but all my friends just look at me like I'm crazy when I bring it up.
post #8676 of 13287
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Originally Posted by HD 335 View Post

It only appears to be very high, ...

Thank for the reply.
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Originally Posted by HD 335 View Post

Thanks GK! I sold off my Sweeney Todd disc but do have Jeff Beck's tribute to Les Paul. The Dark Knight's IMAX scenes are gorgeous on the Elite, if only the rest of the film retained that type of resolution I would be drooling like an infant the entire run time.

I'm not a huge hockey fan (basketball is my sport) but will see what I can find on ESPN. I usually prefer to find a Blu-ray only because as you mentioned, the source content or even a sudden increase in bandwidth may degrade the quality. Ignorance maybe bliss at times, but I do enjoy my this hobby and it would be a travesty if I didn't make a mild attempt at understanding all the subtle attributes of each panel that I buy. It's also very possible that DSE just doesn't bother me. Two of my good friends prefer to have the SOE look, or possible they are just used to it now, while I just can't stand it. One even has BD rips but there is an occasional judder effect that I find to be unbearable but all my friends just look at me like I'm crazy when I bring it up.

I always use blurays for my display investigations. Not because the source material is without flaws but because I am so familiar with my "go-to" titles it is much easier to identify issues, differences, etc. With cable or satellite content I have no idea what it is supposed to look like. Same with speakers, headphones, amps, dacs, etc. I always use music I am intimately familiar with.

I completely understand being the "crazy" one. When I noticed the flashlights and clouds on my XBR3 it was near impossible for me to get my wife to see them in a room with the lights off and dark scenes paused. I guess I'm very anal and am more sensitive to the smallest deficiencies than others... I just want a perfect TV, is that too much to ask
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Originally Posted by Suzook View Post

Now that's a hip set up. But do you think the main speakers are too far about to provide a good sound stage? Maybe tow them in. Just being anal ;-)

The fronts are already towed-in I haven't had a chance to rerun the MCACC on the SC-57 after the mount but it still sounds good at the moment.

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Originally Posted by HD 335 View Post

Very nice! I wish my living room was large enough to accommodate such a wide TV cabinet/stand. The white is very chic and my lady would've loved to have that in place of my existing audio rack. The Tritons are excellent speakers, especially for the price, when I auditioned them at CES last year. Sandy was so generous in letting me listen to my own CDs for an extended period of time. The tweeters are brilliant, unmatched to any other tower I have listened to within the $5K and under speakers.

We almost bought that same floor lamp as well! However we began to notice that too many of our friends started to buy a similar design and being we prefer to be a bit more unique, decided on something else. We still think it's an elegant piece.

The cabinets are my wife's request, they are there mainly for show. All my media components are in rack in a room 50 feet away. The floor lamp was also my wife's pick.
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post


The fronts are already towed-in I haven't had a chance to rerun the MCACC on the SC-57 after the mount but it still sounds good at the moment.

The cabinets are my wife's request, they are there mainly for show. All my media components are in rack in a room 50 feet away. The floor lamp was also my wife's pick.

Caught that on the second look. Very nice !!!
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Ok, much better results with the Elite this time around. Boy did Best Buy have that thing all wrong. I plugged in the cnet settings and the red push was gone, motion was good, and the PQ looked great. Backgrounds looked noisy unless FluidMotion was on though. I have no idea why this is but again going back and forth between the VT50 there was a big difference here as the VT50 backgrounds were nice and mushy. I don't quite know how to describe it but it was discouraging.

I also put the VT50 on 1080p pure mode and 96hz which did introduce some flicker in bright scenes. Really a tough choice between these two displays, they both look pretty fantastic and have very solid strengths.
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Originally Posted by General Kenobi View Post

I'll give it a go, thanks! Other than the section with the FluidMotion, 120hz, etc. what else do I need to turn off? Any other settings you'd recommend?

I think in terms of "what do I really need to turn on" . It's usually nothing, but with the Elite I haven't noticed any ill effects with Precision Color Plus = On, Motion Enhancements = 120 Low, and Film Mode = Advanced Low. OPC, Noise Reduction and Active Contrast are off.

PS: I should have mentioned I use both DVE HD Basics and the Spears & Munsill BDs to check my settings.
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Originally Posted by Wizziwig View Post

The SOE on this set is caused by "Film Mode" and not by the motion related settings. Make sure "Film Mode" is OFF and adjust the motion enhancement to whatever suits your taste (I saw very little difference between the 3 settings aside from a drop in brightness).

DSE is definitely an issue with this set. I think Suzook also did 2-3 exchanges for the same issue before giving up.

As far as clouding is concerned - you don't find many people complaining about that because local dimming effectively hides the problem by turning those screen areas off. If you turn off local dimming, it would most likely show the same amount of clouding as the other Sharp LCD's you've owned in a darkened room.

While some sets have had DSE, (Suzook being the lightning rod ), the majority do not. I have none whatsoever in my 70".
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Originally Posted by N3W813 View Post

The cabinets are my wife's request, they are there mainly for show. All my media components are in rack in a room 50 feet away. The floor lamp was also my wife's pick.

It sounds like your wife and my lady should get together and talk about home decor. If it were up to me, I'd ditch the expensive floor lamp and buy a new sub!

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Originally Posted by General Kenobi View Post

Ok, much better results with the Elite this time around. Boy did Best Buy have that thing all wrong. I plugged in the cnet settings and the red push was gone, motion was good, and the PQ looked great. Backgrounds looked noisy unless FluidMotion was on though. I have no idea why this is but again going back and forth between the VT50 there was a big difference here as the VT50 backgrounds were nice and mushy. I don't quite know how to describe it but it was discouraging.

I also put the VT50 on 1080p pure mode and 96hz which did introduce some flicker in bright scenes. Really a tough choice between these two displays, they both look pretty fantastic and have very solid strengths.

Glad to read that your new experience is much more positive. I know the VT50 is a new model than the VT30 but I do agree that both have it's strengths and weaknesses. I'm guessing the panel size really makes no difference in your seating position?
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I'm not a huge hockey fan (basketball is my sport) but will see what I can find on ESPN.

If you get the NBC Sports network (formerly VS), put on the LA/PHX game tonight - as noted, the hockey test is the best, but areas of grass or blue sky can also reveal it if you have it.

If it doesn't bother you with your viewing habits, don't worry. As other's have said, don't go looking for problems....

Very nice setup by the way...
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Originally Posted by HD 335 View Post

It sounds like your wife and my lady should get together and talk about home decor. If it were up to me, I'd ditch the expensive floor lamp and buy a new sub!



Glad to read that your new experience is much more positive. I know the VT50 is a new model than the VT30 but I do agree that both have it's strengths and weaknesses. I'm guessing the panel size really makes no difference in your seating position?

Yes, size matters, of course the 70" is more impressive in that regard but coming from a 58" I will still easily feel the increased real estate in the 65". Seating position is def on the con list for the Elite. Usually when I watch movies I am in the sweet center spot but some times I sit on a side with my feet/legs up on the sectional and with the lights out seeing the colors washout when I move there would be bothersome. Not a deal killer but certainly a factor to consider.

I'm not done at Best Buy... hehe. I'll be back with more content to test and try to see if I can make any other minor adjustments to compensate for the noise I was seeing without degrading detail. Right now I like both of the TV's a lot and have no idea what I will end up with. The VT50 had less time today than yesterday since I was really trying to scrutinize the Elite a bit more post adjustment.
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

If you get the NBC Sports network (formerly VS), put on the LA/PHX game tonight - as noted, the hockey test is the best, but areas of grass or blue sky can also reveal it if you have it.

If it doesn't bother you with your viewing habits, don't worry. As other's have said, don't go looking for problems....

Very nice setup by the way...

I don't have NBC Sports network, instead it's Comcast Sports Network for the Bay Area. Was watching a replay of the Giants game and during a five minute stretch, I think I saw DSE while the camera was panning across outfield. If that indeed is DSE, it doesn't bother me all that much. I'm going to try GKs suggestion on the Jeff Beck Blu-ray later. Usually I would agree that I shouldn't go looking for the problem, but this panel is the best I've ever experienced that I doubt DSE will be enough for me to go on a mission to find a better panel.

And you have an awesome setup thrang! It's only in my dreams that I could have anything that would come close to the visual and performance level of your system. I'm very pleased with the performance of mine given that it only costs $2600 for all 5 speakers, 2 subs, receiver and external amplifier. But it definitely doesn't look as sexy as those B&Ws plus the sheer immersive effect you must have when watching movies on the projector.

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Originally Posted by General Kenobi View Post

Yes, size matters, of course the 70" is more impressive in that regard but coming from a 58" I will still easily feel the increased real estate in the 65". Seating position is def on the con list for the Elite. Usually when I watch movies I am in the sweet center spot but some times I sit on a side with my feet/legs up on the sectional and with the lights out seeing the colors washout when I move there would be bothersome. Not a deal killer but certainly a factor to consider.

I'm not done at Best Buy... hehe. I'll be back with more content to test and try to see if I can make any other minor adjustments to compensate for the noise I was seeing without degrading detail. Right now I like both of the TV's a lot and have no idea what I will end up with. The VT50 had less time today than yesterday since I was really trying to scrutinize the Elite a bit more post adjustment.

I'd say forget all the testing and just go for the 70" Elite, you'll gain even more real estate
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Originally Posted by HD 335 View Post

I don't have NBC Sports network, instead it's Comcast Sports Network for the Bay Area. Was watching a replay of the Giants game and during a five minute stretch, I think I saw DSE while the camera was panning across outfield. If that indeed is DSE, it doesn't bother me all that much. I'm going to try GKs suggestion on the Jeff Beck Blu-ray later. Usually I would agree that I shouldn't go looking for the problem, but this panel is the best I've ever experienced that I doubt DSE will be enough for me to go on a mission to find a better panel.

And you have an awesome setup thrang! It's only in my dreams that I could have anything that would come close to the visual and performance level of your system. I'm very pleased with the performance of mine given that it only costs $2600 for all 5 speakers, 2 subs, receiver and external amplifier. But it definitely doesn't look as sexy as those B&Ws plus the sheer immersive effect you must have when watching movies on the projector.



I'd say forget all the testing and just go for the 70" Elite, you'll gain even more real estate

Ha, didn't realize you were in the Bay, I'm in Contra Costa so I may pop over for a proper demo As much as size matters PQ is king, if I can releive the display of the noise I'm seeing it would be a winner. The VT50 produces a damn fine picture though so if I'm going to cough up $2k more it damn well better be on par PQ wise and the extra 5" be an added benefit. We'll see
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How do you sign out of the Netflix account on the Elite TV? My dad entered the wrong account but he doesn't know how to sign out
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Originally Posted by General Kenobi View Post


Ha, didn't realize you were in the Bay, I'm in Contra Costa so I may pop over for a proper demo As much as size matters PQ is king, if I can releive the display of the noise I'm seeing it would be a winner. The VT50 produces a damn fine picture though so if I'm going to cough up $2k more it damn well better be on par PQ wise and the extra 5" be an added benefit. We'll see

Small world, I'm also in Contra Costa County...
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Originally Posted by dane1201 View Post

How do you sign out of the Netflix account on the Elite TV? My dad entered the wrong account but he doesn't know how to sign out

Take a look at page 81 of the manual. I would think you need to de-activate the netflix account first and then sign is as a new user.

1 Press MENU to display the menu screen.
2 Press a/b to select "Information", and then press
ENTER.
3 Press a/b to select "Netflix Help", and then press
ENTER.
4 Press c/d to select "Deactivate", and then press
ENTER.
To confi rm the Netflix status, check the information
displayed on the screen and click "OK".
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Just got off the phone with Elite support, they informed me that all the Elite model tv's have a software conflict with the Netflix app preventing us from using it. They are currently working on a fix with Netflix for this, and will notify us when this problem is solved.
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Originally Posted by GeneWildersHair View Post

Just got off the phone with Elite support, they informed me that all the Elite model tv's have a software conflict with the Netflix app preventing us from using it. They are currently working on a fix with Netflix for this, and will notify us when this problem is solved.

From using Netflix or deactivating it?
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From using Netflix or deactivating it?

We cannot access Netflix at all right now.
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Originally Posted by GeneWildersHair View Post

Just got off the phone with Elite support, they informed me that all the Elite model tv's have a software conflict with the Netflix app preventing us from using it. They are currently working on a fix with Netflix for this, and will notify us when this problem is solved.

Netflix controls the access software for all Netflix enabled devices. There are different levels of software available from Netflix based on how important the device manufacturer seems to Netflix's business plan. Sharp is probably in a group similar to the one OPPO is in. It's not a good group to be in if Netflix streaming is an important feature.

Personally, I don't think the content or compressed PQ is worth it for larger screens. When I gave it a try, I thought it was OK, but only on my 24" computer monitor.
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Netflix controls the access software for all Netflix enabled devices. There are different levels of software available from Netflix based on how important the device manufacturer seems to Netflix's business plan. Sharp is probably in a group similar to the one OPPO is in. It's not a good group to be in if Netflix streaming is an important feature.

Personally, I don't think the content or compressed PQ is worth it for larger screens. When I gave it a try, I thought it was OK, but only on my 24" computer monitor.

Personally I think the streaming quality is just fine with Elite's Netflix app. Especially for what I use it for...(mostly tv shows, or documentaries.)
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Originally Posted by GeneWildersHair View Post

Personally I think the streaming quality is just fine with Elite's Netflix app. Especially for what I use it for...(mostly tv shows, or documentaries.)

Last summer that's the content that I thought was OK at 24" but not at 60".
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Last summer that's the content that I thought was OK at 24" but not at 60".

Wow... I honestly think for streaming on 70" , it looks great.
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With an adjusted level of expectation, everything looks great . Thankfully I'm not into streaming.
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Originally Posted by GeneWildersHair View Post

Wow... I honestly think for streaming on 70" , it looks great.

I'm happy with reasonable DVD transfers converted to 1080p at 60" with our OPPO player. I didn't see anything from Netflix that good last sumer. The OPPO players are not getting the top tear Netflix support so that may explain it. We get our high speed bandwidth from Comcast so they may be playing games with Netflix. I understand that the Netflix software may reduce the bit stream in reaction to fluctuating high speed services. That might also contribute.

Anyway, all I wanted to point out is that the Sharp people working on a Netflix problem might not be getting the support from Netflix that you might expect.
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I'm happy with reasonable DVD transfers converted to 1080p at 60" with our OPPO player. I didn't see anything from Netflix that good last sumer. The OPPO players are not getting the top tear Netflix support so that may explain it. We get our high speed bandwidth from Comcast so they may be playing games with Netflix. I understand that the Netflix software may reduce the bit stream in reaction to fluctuating high speed services. That might also contribute.

Anyway, all I wanted to point out is that the Sharp people working on a Netflix problem might not be getting the support from Netflix that you might expect.

Why worry about it when you can get a Roku supporting Netflix for under $100.00?

Louis
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