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post #9211 of 13287
6/4/12 at 7:18pm
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I agree, if you have the means I would recommend the Elite over any Plasma any day. In the past if you wanted the best picture Plasma was the obvious choice, but the Elite changed all that when it arrived now you have a choice. Screen Burn and Image Retention are still an issue, it's inherent to the technology like Phosphor trails and buzzing sounds at certin elevations above and below sea level, it's just the way Plasma technology works.

As are DSE & Banding. Pick your poison
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post #9212 of 13287
6/4/12 at 9:17pm
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As are DSE & Banding. Pick your poison

My Elite has neither appreciably, but I do ingest some pulsing now & then
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post #9213 of 13287
6/4/12 at 10:47pm
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Originally Posted by mwasie View Post

CNet review of the VT50 states that it's "overall" better than the Elite in the picture quality department.

Seriously, why are you in this thread? I'm back and forth between this and the VT50 thread as I try to get information on both, test them in the store, and make a decision but since you already have your mind made up leave people to enjoy what they have for whatever reasons move them, it's not like Elite owners are in the VT50 thread making these statements.
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post #9214 of 13287
6/4/12 at 11:47pm
C/Net is biased , as they rate Sharp displays across the board as poor performers .
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post #9215 of 13287
6/6/12 at 8:09am
To pay double the price for basically the same quality picture wouldn't make sense to me. The only thing you're really gaining is some extra features. Like some others have suggested it would make more sense to wait for something that will give you a better bang for the buck as you already have a set that's comparable to the best out there.
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post #9216 of 13287
6/6/12 at 8:45am
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Originally Posted by mwasie View Post


CNet review of the VT50 states that it's "overall" better than the Elite in the picture quality department.

Not in every aspects, the ELITE still has better black levels and better full screen whites, both he stated were very obvious in the Harry Potter movie. cool.gif
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post #9217 of 13287
6/6/12 at 8:54am
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Originally Posted by HTguru3 View Post

To pay double the price for basically the same quality picture wouldn't make sense to me. The only thing you're really gaining is some extra features. Like some others have suggested it would make more sense to wait for something that will give you a better bang for the buck as you already have a set that's comparable to the best out there.

In your opinion maybe but that's all, the Elite still has better deep inky black levels and full screen whites not to mention the extra 5'' to the screen size and all the advantages to LED over Plasma, to some it's more then worth the extra cost. It looks like your made your decison though so remind us again why you are still here? rolleyes.gif
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post #9218 of 13287
6/6/12 at 8:57am
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Originally Posted by General Kenobi View Post


That's exactly how I'm playing it. I'm using a bonus from work I'll get in July and selling my Audeze LCD-2 (headphones), and Lyr tube amp. I'm perfectly willing to sacrifice some other nice things I very much enjoy to have such a huge increase in my movie watching experience. Fantastic upgrade in PQ, and 12" more of it
Now I will not be parting with any of my rifles, shotguns, or pistols... that's where I draw the line, those damn zombies aren't going to kill themselves!

And after that bizarre incident in Raccoo--um, I mean Miami, we know that Z-Day will be here sooner or later.
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post #9219 of 13287
6/6/12 at 9:01am
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Originally Posted by YOTR View Post

I have a friend that wants to buy my 2 year old 60" kuro. I am looking at the VT50 and the Elite even though I don't think I could ever afford it.


For current or past Kuro owners, how does the Elite stack up? I would love to go to LCD and not have to worry about IR, etc. with a plasma. The VT50 looks amazing in the store but I am used to basically no IR at all with my Kuro. From what I have read the Panasonic does a great job but I am a little scared coming from a Kuro with regards to IR. Part of me says to just keep it and look this time next year at upgrading. He is offering me quite a bit though so I am contemplating it. I just wish the Elite was cheaper and it doesn't look like they will have a price drop any time soon.


It also looks like the Elite doesn't have the clouding or flashlighting issues that have plagued LCD's from the beginning (that's why I went to plasma in the first place). I looked at other brands (including sharp's 70" LCD), but they pale in comparison and have clouding, etc. like every other lcd.

Just to be clear. Is your KURO an 8G or 9G? Cause if it's a 8th generation, I'd say get the Elite now.

If it's a 9G? Not so much.
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6/6/12 at 9:13am
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

C/Net is biased , as they rate Sharp displays across the board as poor performers .

It's no secret he favors Plasma display technology, however everyone has a preference and there is no law against that. Also remember that the Elite was rated Outstanding by CNET and still has the Top Flat Panel spot Review Date: 12/08/11. I think CNET's goal has always been to way the Price vs Picture quality factor leaning more towards (Price factor). The VT50 may be rated by CNET to have the best (price) / picture quality for the (cost), but that doesn't mean it's the best choice for the sole decision of (Best Picture Quality Only). cool.gif
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post #9221 of 13287
6/6/12 at 9:55am
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

Not in every aspects, the ELITE still has better black levels and better full screen whites, both he stated were very obvious in the Harry Potter movie. cool.gif
I actually just took a copy of that to Best Buy last night for my testing, while the blacks, contrast, and mosquito noise looked significantly superior on the Elite there is a definite appeal to how the VT50 displays motion, it's very organic and film like. As much as I like the Elite I'm still having a hard time being so used to plasma motion seeing certain issues with motion on the Elite. Unfortunately the one at the Best Buy in Brentwood, CA had terrible DSE. The store employee was kind enough to turn off all the TV's on the wall behind the Elite so I had no reflections and watching The Devil Inside as Isabella was walking past the Colosseum there were terrible dark diagonal bands in the sky. I also noticed it on Couples Retreat.

As far as DK's review it's no wonder he had certain complaints on the Elite compared to the VT50 given the settings they used to evaluate the Elite, I would have been even more harsh had I based my evaluation on those settings.
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6/6/12 at 10:37am
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Originally Posted by [Irishman] View Post

Just to be clear. Is your KURO an 8G or 9G? Cause if it's a 8th generation, I'd say get the Elite now.
If it's a 9G? Not so much.

It's a 6020, so 9G.
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6/6/12 at 10:50am
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

In your opinion maybe but that's all, the Elite still has better deep inky black levels and full screen whites not to mention the extra 5'' to the screen size and all the advantages to LED over Plasma, to some it's more then worth the extra cost. It looks like your made your decison though so remind us again why you are still here? rolleyes.gif

I'm here because I enjoy reading up on the latest technology and reading others opinions and sharing mine. Why are you here? As for my opinion regarding the negligible difference between the Kuro and the Sharp Elite it's been mentioned by others as well and at last years shootout actually edged out the Elite. Even at slightly better it still wouldn't be worth twice the price to me thus the reason I made that statement and shared it with the poster asking about the comparison.cool.gif

PS- what 5" are you talking about as the poster has a 60" Kuro and the one that's priced twice as much as he can get for his Kuro is also 60".
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post #9224 of 13287
6/6/12 at 11:01am
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Originally Posted by HTguru3 View Post

I'm here because I enjoy reading up on the latest technology and reading others opinions and sharing mine. Why are you here? As for my opinion regarding the negligible difference between the Kuro and the Sharp Elite it's been mentioned by others as well and at last years shootout actually edged out the Elite. Even at slightly better it still wouldn't be worth twice the price to me thus the reason I made that statement and shared it with the poster asking about the comparison.cool.gif
PS- what 5" are you talking about as the poster has a 60" Kuro and the one that's priced twice as much as he can get for his Kuro is also 60".

I will say again that if I didn't have a Kuro right now, I would be looking hard at the Elite despite the price. Having a Kuro though, I don't think I could justify selling it and then coughing up $2500 more for the same size set that is marginally better. It's a great tv (speaking about the Elite now) and believe me no one has to sell me on that. It's just that a marginal upgrade in picture does not equal $2500 out of pocket for me. This time next year, I am sure I will be looking hard at a 2nd gen Elite though. I just hope they come down in price some. As much as I want to sell my Kuro right now (especially given what I was offered), I am leaning towards just keeping it. I think the VT50 is a great set also but I am concerned about IR which is something my Kuro rarely if ever has shown.
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6/6/12 at 11:14am
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Originally Posted by YOTR View Post

I will say again that if I didn't have a Kuro right now, I would be looking hard at the Elite despite the price. Having a Kuro though, I don't think I could justify selling it and then coughing up $2500 more for the same size set that is marginally better. It's a great tv (speaking about the Elite now) and believe me no one has to sell me on that. It's just that a marginal upgrade in picture does not equal $2500 out of pocket for me. This time next year, I am sure I will be looking hard at a 2nd gen Elite though. I just hope they come down in price some. As much as I want to sell my Kuro right now (especially given what I was offered), I am leaning towards just keeping it. I think the VT50 is a great set also but I am concerned about IR which is something my Kuro rarely if ever has shown.

Makes perfect sense and I share the same sentiments as you do as you have an excellent set already.smile.gif
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post #9226 of 13287
6/6/12 at 11:33am
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The Elite continues to stun me every time with it's amazing contrast ratio and deep inky blacks, just when I think it can't get any better it does! I was watching a move last night called "Trinity The Atomic Bomb Move." All I can say is wow, it felt like I was actually seeing nuclear explosions go off in my living room! The Elite is uniquely able to put out the retina burring brightness and brilliant full screen whites necessary to pull off this effect. During the explosions of brilliant light and then seeing the mushroom effect with the deep blacks that faded into the bezel and then back to brilliant mass of vibrant color as the mushroom cloud expanded was just stunning to behold but also a little frightning. I meen (talk about a total pitch black feeling after a flash a brilliant light) then fadding again to deep inky black scenes with fire and smoke, it was just incredible and was enough to make anyone awe! biggrin.gif
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post #9227 of 13287
6/6/12 at 11:47am
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Originally Posted by HTguru3 View Post

I'm here because I enjoy reading up on the latest technology and reading others opinions and sharing mine. Why are you here? As for my opinion regarding the negligible difference between the Kuro and the Sharp Elite it's been mentioned by others as well and at last years shootout actually edged out the Elite. Even at slightly better it still wouldn't be worth twice the price to me thus the reason I made that statement and shared it with the poster asking about the comparison.cool.gif
PS- what 5" are you talking about as the poster has a 60" Kuro and the one that's priced twice as much as he can get for his Kuro is also 60".

Fair enough, I'm here to help answer questions about the Elite and to share my experiences with it from my perspective as an owner. I also try to correct comments or rumors that are not true, or greatly exaggerated. eek.gif

PS: I was talking about the 5'' extra inches you gain over the VT50, if your talking about the Kuro now it's 10'' inches you gain over it in size and that's very significant. cool.gif
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post #9228 of 13287
6/6/12 at 12:15pm
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

Fair enough, I'm here to help answer questions about the Elite and to share my experiences with it from my perspective as an owner. I also try to correct comments or rumors that are not true, or greatly exaggerated. eek.gif
PS: I was talking about the 5'' extra inches you gain over the VT50, if your talking about the Kuro now it's 10'' inches you gain over it in size and that's very significant. cool.gif

I could have only possibly swung the 60" Elite. There is no way I could ever justify the 70" Elite. If I was loaded, it would be a no brainer though! It would be a hard sell because that would be a little over $4k out of pocket AFTER I sold the Kuro. My daughter woudn't be going to private Pre-K in the fall, lol.
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post #9229 of 13287
6/6/12 at 2:02pm
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Originally Posted by YOTR View Post

I could have only possibly swung the 60" Elite. There is no way I could ever justify the 70" Elite. If I was loaded, it would be a no brainer though! It would be a hard sell because that would be a little over $4k out of pocket AFTER I sold the Kuro. My daughter woudn't be going to private Pre-K in the fall, lol.

Much better investment my friend, my kids will never see the inside of a public school is this disgusting state... maybe someday I can move to the great state of Texas but until then big $$ for private school but an investment well worth making.

As far as the Elite I am really starting to pull away from what was almost a done deal with it. Not as much due to the cost but after doing the testing I did last night (DSE aside) I'm feeling like the difference in how the VT50 handles motion is more significant than I'd thought. I've been spending so much time with the Elite that going back to the VT50 last night really highlighted this advantage in the VT50 for my eyes. Of course the Elite's blacks and contrast were sacrificed but I think that the motion is something that might bother me more as time passed. I'll be bringing the Mrs. in to look at both although she is far less concerned about the little things as I am:p
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post #9230 of 13287
6/6/12 at 2:57pm
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Originally Posted by General Kenobi View Post

Much better investment my friend, my kids will never see the inside of a public school is this disgusting state... maybe someday I can move to the great state of Texas but until then big $$ for private school but an investment well worth making.
As far as the Elite I am really starting to pull away from what was almost a done deal with it. Not as much due to the cost but after doing the testing I did last night (DSE aside) I'm feeling like the difference in how the VT50 handles motion is more significant than I'd thought. I've been spending so much time with the Elite that going back to the VT50 last night really highlighted this advantage in the VT50 for my eyes. Of course the Elite's blacks and contrast were sacrificed but I think that the motion is something that might bother me more as time passed. I'll be bringing the Mrs. in to look at both although she is far less concerned about the little things as I am:p

Have you tried setting the motion enhancement to 120Hz-Low?
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post #9231 of 13287
6/6/12 at 3:15pm
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

Have you tried setting the motion enhancement to 120Hz-Low?
Yes, it is better but I still detect SOE which evidently I am sensitive to. I have not tried it with Film Mode on combined with 120hz off or on low though. The biggest issue I have with it seems to be in panning shots where I see trouble with holding edges.
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6/6/12 at 3:28pm
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Originally Posted by General Kenobi View Post

Yes, it is better but I still detect SOE which evidently I am sensitive to. I have not tried it with Film Mode on combined with 120hz off or on low though. The biggest issue I have with it seems to be in panning shots where I see trouble with holding edges.

Hum... you can try playing with the settings some more, if that does't work try a different Blu-ray player or a different Elite. The motion has always been rated very good on the Elite and I've personally never see an issue with the motion on my set compaird to the VT30 or D8000. So I am more inclined to believe it's something external rather then internal although you should rule everything out. cool.gif
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6/6/12 at 3:33pm
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Originally Posted by General Kenobi View Post

I actually just took a copy of that to Best Buy last night for my testing, while the blacks, contrast, and mosquito noise looked significantly superior on the Elite there is a definite appeal to how the VT50 displays motion, it's very organic and film like.

Well that would settle it for me. I absolutely hate film-like motion. I much prefer a touch of SOE. Almost like watching 3D without having to put up with the horrible quality of 3D technology. I'll have to look more closely now at the Sharp.
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6/6/12 at 4:10pm
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

Fair enough, I'm here to help answer questions about the Elite and to share my experiences with it from my perspective as an owner. I also try to correct comments or rumors that are not true, or greatly exaggerated. eek.gif
PS: I was talking about the 5'' extra inches you gain over the VT50, if your talking about the Kuro now it's 10'' inches you gain over it in size and that's very significant. cool.gif

Well if we're correcting misinformation then let me start with this. The person in question with the kuro has a 60" kuro and the Sharp Elite he was looking to get at the price point where it would be double the cost of what he could sell his kuro for was a 60". If it were the 70" we would be talking over triple the price based on what he said he was offered for his kuro.. eek.gifwink.gif
Edited by HTguru3 - 6/6/12 at 5:39pm
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6/6/12 at 5:00pm
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Well that would settle it for me. I absolutely hate film-like motion. I much prefer a touch of SOE. Almost like watching 3D without having to put up with the horrible quality of 3D technology. I'll have to look more closely now at the Sharp.
And therein lies the crux of the subject - different people like different things - you need to get what gives you the viewing you will enjoy, not the one another dude enjoys biggrin.gif ...
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6/6/12 at 5:07pm
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Originally Posted by AnotherDude View Post

And therein lies the crux of the subject - different people like different things - you need to get what gives you the viewing you will enjoy, not the one another dude enjoys biggrin.gif ...
Very much agreed, in the end "I" am the only one that needs to be happy with what is on the wall. That said SOE is a feature that can be turned on or off in just about any current panel so like it or not, it really should be an afterthought in the evaluation while color, motion, contrast, black levels, etc. would be far more important.
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6/6/12 at 5:26pm
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

Not in every aspects, the ELITE still has better black levels and better full screen whites, both he stated were very obvious in the Harry Potter movie. cool.gif

The reviewer stated that the VT50 is "overall" better than the Elite which is why I said overall in my post. smile.gif
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6/6/12 at 6:28pm
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Not in every aspects, the ELITE still has better black levels and better full screen whites, both he stated were very obvious in the Harry Potter movie. cool.gif

You keep mentioning full screen whites, who stares at all white screens? And in that review he stated that the Harry Potter all white scene did not detract.

As satisfied as I am with my Elite, I don't see everything through rose colored glasses.
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6/6/12 at 6:30pm
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

It's no secret he favors Plasma display technology, however everyone has a preference and there is no law against that. Also remember that the Elite was rated Outstanding by CNET and still has the Top Flat Panel spot Review Date: 12/08/11. I think CNET's goal has always been to way the Price vs Picture quality factor leaning more towards (Price factor). The VT50 may be rated by CNET to have the best (price) / picture quality for the (cost), but that doesn't mean it's the best choice for the sole decision of (Best Picture Quality Only). cool.gif

Negative. If that were the case then Kuros would never have been rated best display year after year.
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6/6/12 at 6:58pm
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Originally Posted by Fanaticalism View Post

You keep mentioning full screen whites, who stares at all white screens? And in that review he stated that the Harry Potter all white scene did not detract.
As satisfied as I am with my Elite, I don't see everything through rose colored glasses.

If you don't understand the importance of full screen bright whites then I'm not sure what to say. It's not about staring at white screens all day that's just a lame comment on your part. In the CNET review he said it didn't detract because if you don't know what you are missing then you don't get disappointed. Try putting the VT50 next to the Elite and see what I'm talking about plain and simple, make up your own mind. cool.gif
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