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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I'll bet it's at least 2017 -- 2020 for a 80" OLED that's not a five figure item to reach the market. eek.gif

It will be worth waiting for. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by General Kenobi View Post

I couldn't pass it up. I love the 70" Elite but even with Cleveland Plasma's fantastic price it is 2x as much and I'm impressed with the VT50 as well. I'll be saving the extra for the 80" OLED Elite in 2015;)eek.gifbiggrin.gif

Good luck General with your new display. I really respect the methodical way you went about it. Not sure if Cleveland came up with a more tempting deal for you, but I'm sure you'll be happy with the VT if you go that way.
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

It will for sure and you can always change the IVC setting to cut through the ambient lighting, the Elite excels in this area without sacraficing black levels. wink.gif
When you say "without sacrificing black levels" you may mean the black levels are still very good, but they are not as good as under the Local Dimming mode. They do rise some.
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Good luck General with your new display. I really respect the methodical way you went about it. Not sure if Cleveland came up with a more tempting deal for you, but I'm sure you'll be happy with the VT if you go that way.
Thank you. Contrary to what some might think with all the bantering in this thread the owners here have been extremely helpful in making this a very difficult decision for me. Cleveland Plasma would hands down be my go to place if I bought an Elite. If for some reason I am not completely happy with my VT50 that may happen but after weeks of testing I've concluded the VT50 improves on everything I already love about my current panel and the price is too attractive not to give it a shot. If it does not work out it will be much easier to justify the $$ Elite difference after an in home experience with the VT50.
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Many happy viewings, General!
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Is there a difference in black level between the 60 and 70 inch since the larger size had more local dimming zones? My choice is down between the 65vt50 and 60 Elite.
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Originally Posted by Famouss View Post

Is there a difference in black level between the 60 and 70 inch since the larger size had more local dimming zones? My choice is down between the 65vt50 and 60 Elite.

I think this question was answered here or on home theater shack...but yes the black levels are better on the 70..I wonder if they would have used a 70 ELITE in the shoot out, would it have won?
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Originally Posted by powermonkey24 View Post

I think this question was answered here or on home theater shack...but yes the black levels are better on the 70..I wonder if they would have used a 70 ELITE in the shoot out, would it have won?

Doubtful. It still would have lost out in areas like motion resolution and color accuracy from (gasp!!) cyan... Hard to imagine getting blacker by the smallest of margins would have offset a considerable disparity in scorecard tabulations.
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Don't recall this being said before but you have to remember that minimum black level are measured in a no ambient light environment. Once you start adding room lighting, some displays reflect it worst than others. That's probably what happens with the Elite. It handles room lighting very well. Too bad there isn't a standard test to provide a metric for how a display handles room lighting for black levels.
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Originally Posted by hhtatum View Post

Remind me. Are your settings for the CNET settings crowd or RAD's Kevin Miller settings crowd? CNET settings look better on my TV than RAD's settings did. Thanks for posting them. You too Rad.

My calibrated THX Movie settings are closer to RadTech's settings. I adjust the backlight and IVC settings depending on viewing environment, from an almost completely dark room to a full sunlit room.

My post with the settings
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1358702/official-sharp-elite-pro-70x5-and-60x5-owners-thread-no-price-dealer-talk/9090#post_22088613
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N3W813, how do you get those high setting numbers in the 10-point WB RGB, like +70 and +60? I only see +- 30 available in my THX mode.

Edit: Oh, I think that was meant as a +7 and a 0, no?
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Originally Posted by AnotherDude View Post

When you say "without sacrificing black levels" you may mean the black levels are still very good, but they are not as good as under the Local Dimming mode. They do rise some.

As long as you don't turn the IVC (Off) Local Dimming remains on in any of the IVC settings. Advanced Low for example still has LD on but increases the brightness of say the light coming from a lamp post without sacrificing your deep inky black levels. You can play with the setting to see what I'm talking about but IVC set to Low seems to be plenty high for cutting through the ambient lighting in the room and works great for a daytime viewing mode.
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Don't recall this being said before but you have to remember that minimum black level are measured in a no ambient light environment. Once you start adding room lighting, some displays reflect it worst than others. That's probably what happens with the Elite. It handles room lighting very well. Too bad there isn't a standard test to provide a metric for how a display handles room lighting for black levels.

That's a very good point you make. cool.gif
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

As long as you don't turn the IVC (Off) Local Dimming remains on in any of the IVC settings. Advanced Low for example still has LD on but increases the brightness of say the light coming from a lamp post without sacrificing your deep inky black levels. You can play with the setting to see what I'm talking about but IVC set to Low seems to be plenty high for cutting through the ambient lighting in the room and works great for a daytime viewing mode.

Great..thanks for the tip. It seems like this feature will come in handy the way the sun likes to poor into my living room in the morning and afternoon. This will be critical when football season comes around in a few months here. That brings up another question I have, how does the ELITE do with sports as far as motion blur and fast moving objects? I watch allot of basketball, football, racing..any information will be much appreciated! Thanks RadTech!
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Originally Posted by AnotherDude View Post

N3W813, how do you get those high setting numbers in the 10-point WB RGB, like +70 and +60? I only see +- 30 available in my THX mode.
Edit: Oh, I think that was meant as a +7 and a 0, no?

Yes, you are correct. Looks like the forum migration messed with the formatting. rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by powermonkey24 View Post

Great..thanks for the tip. It seems like this feature will come in handy the way the sun likes to poor into my living room in the morning and afternoon. This will be critical when football season comes around in a few months here. That brings up another question I have, how does the ELITE do with sports as far as motion blur and fast moving objects? I watch allot of basketball, football, racing..any information will be much appreciated! Thanks RadTech!

It handles very well in my opinion very Plasma like in many aspects, I was watching a Hokey game the other day and I couldn't notice any issues looked great. I have the Motion Enhancement set to 120Hz Low and Film Mode (Off).

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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

It handles very well in my opinion very Plasma like in many aspects, I was watching a Hokey game the other day and I couldn't notice any issues looked great. I have the Motion Enhancement set to 120Hz Low and Film Mode (Off).
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Great, thanks! I'm sure hockey is one of the better indicators of how a TV handles motion, with all the pans and fast puck movement. Can not wait to pick this beast up on Saturday!
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It's always interesting to read comments on TV prices in 2012.

When I purchased my very first plasma back in early 2006 I selected a 1024x768 Toshiba 42" 42HPX95 plasma (built with Panasonic glass) and it wasn't half bad. I purchased it for $3300 at the time which was actually pretty cheap versus most other similar displays on the market. I later upgraded to a Pioneer 4270 for a similar price and it was much better before going for the first Kuro (5080HD) at $3500 and then the second gen Kuro at $2500 (best TV I've ever purchased).

In 2012 that same $3300 could purchase a top of the line 65" Panasonic plasma and a bit more money could net an Elite Pro. I'm thrilled to see pricing down so far from 2006, but man, it's pretty crazy when you step back and remember those days.
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Originally Posted by dark1x View Post

It's always interesting to read comments on TV prices in 2012.
When I purchased my very first plasma back in early 2006 I selected a 1024x768 Toshiba 42" 42HPX95 plasma (built with Panasonic glass) and it wasn't half bad. I purchased it for $3300 at the time which was actually pretty cheap versus most other similar displays on the market. I later upgraded to a Pioneer 4270 for a similar price and it was much better before going for the first Kuro (5080HD) at $3500 and then the second gen Kuro at $2500 (best TV I've ever purchased).
In 2012 that same $3300 could purchase a top of the line 65" Panasonic plasma and a bit more money could net an Elite Pro. I'm thrilled to see pricing down so far from 2006, but man, it's pretty crazy when you step back and remember those days.

Yeah, I am pretty sure I paid $7500 for my first plasma at Costco. It was a 50" Pioneer.
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Wow..prices sure have come down haven't they? I wish Costco sold flagship models. Their 2 year warranty comes standard, have to shell out another 400 for bb 2 year!eek.gif
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Originally Posted by powermonkey24 View Post

Wow..prices sure have come down haven't they? I wish Costco sold flagship models. Their 2 year warranty comes standard, have to shell out another 400 for bb 2 year!eek.gif

In case you didn't know, the Elite has a 2 year warranty.
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Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

In case you didn't know, the Elite has a 2 year warranty.

Is this true? I cant find this on the ELITE website...if this is true then I can ditch the BB warranty..save myself 400!biggrin.gif
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Nevermind..just saw it..very nice!biggrin.gif
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My intention here is to ensure perspective purchasers of Elite products do so with their eyes fully open.

I know there is not supposed to be any dealer talk on, but honestly speaking there is already a lot of it, sooooooo, that said, does anyone care to comment on why they would purchase a (grey market) Elite from a non-authorized dealer?

I'm also curious to understand why companies like Sharp (now) and Pioneer (in the past) allow grey markets to form around their respective Elite lines.

From Sharp's site - http://elitelcdtv.com/elite-lcd-hdtv-overview/ ...

Benefits Of Purchasing From An Authorized ELITE Reseller

Elite TV products are sold exclusively through authorized distributors and dealers. Those authorized resellers do not sell Elite products to consumers over the internet – any party offering Elite products to consumers over the internet is not an authorized reseller. Purchasing from an authorized reseller provides you with many benefits you might not have access to if you purchase from an unauthorized reseller, such as:

  • Knowledgeable sale personnel, trained directly by the manufacturer
  • A direct relationship with the Elite customer service staff
  • Coverage under the manufacturer’s limited warranty [BOLD/RED my effect]
  • An up-to-date inventory of the proper Elite accessories
  • Access to continuous product updates
  • Product and technical support from authorized Elite service providers
  • Product registration and support via ELITE® Advantage which, upon registration, includes an additional 3 months on the two year manufacturer’s limited warranty

In addition, unauthorized resellers do not have access to the most up-to-date Elite product information, and consumers who purchase from unauthorized resellers expose themselves to an increased risk of purchasing counterfeit products, or products that have been opened or tampered with prior to purchase. It has also been our experience that a number of unauthorized resellers will refuse to assist a customer who receives a product that has been damaged or broken during shipping or who will charge exorbitant restocking fees as a condition of accepting the return of such product that has been damaged during shipping.

These types of issues can be avoided by shopping with confidence from an authorized Elite TV reseller.
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Interested to hear what the owners think of the new 80" 844 Sharp LCD, does it have the Elite secret sauce? I saw it on the display at my local store and they had both 60" and 70" Elites there and I thought the 844 looked very good. I don't know what mode the Elites were on but I suspect they were set to vivid and thus did not look their best. But that 80" was amazing to see in person.eek.gif
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Originally Posted by imws View Post

Interested to hear what the owners think of the new 80" 844 Sharp LCD, does it have the Elite secret sauce? I saw it on the display at my local store and they had both 60" and 70" Elites there and I thought the 844 looked very good. I don't know what mode the Elites were on but I suspect they were set to vivid and thus did not look their best. But that 80" was amazing to see in person.eek.gif

The 80'' Sharp Is a Full-Array but does not have Local-Dimming Zones like the Elite, with that said you will be missing those Deep Inky Black Levels allowing your color to pop out and shine like you see on the Elite. It's easy to see in comparison, if you want the best picture quality you will get the Elite. wink.gif
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How many here got the email from Elite offering to extend our 2 year, 3 month warranty?
Here is part of the text from my email
As you know, your Elite LCD TV has a generous 24 month manufacturer’s warranty. We know you will have many more years of viewing pleasure and we encourage you to maximize the life of your LCD TV. How? By purchasing an Elite LCD TV Service Plan. It’s simple! Just give our agents a call at 1-866-712-9887 and provide your invitation number and credit card information so they can assist with setting up your Service Plan.
Remember our extensive nationwide service network consists of factory trained technicians who are committed to keeping your product in good working order. After all, no one knows more about your LCD TV than we do!

Enjoy peace of mind with these valuable benefits:
• One Low, Up-Front Price
• No Deductible or Hidden Charges
• Replacement Coverage1
• Nationwide Service Network
• Factory Trained Technicians

Act now to extend the protection on your LCD TV with an Elite LCD TV Service Plan! Offer ends August 27, 20122

Maria Perez
Manager, Elite LCD TV Service Plans


How much extension do we get and how much does it cost?
I have not called the number. I have until Aug 27th to call
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Originally Posted by imws View Post

Interested to hear what the owners think of the new 80" 844 Sharp LCD, does it have the Elite secret sauce? I saw it on the display at my local store and they had both 60" and 70" Elites there and I thought the 844 looked very good. I don't know what mode the Elites were on but I suspect they were set to vivid and thus did not look their best. But that 80" was amazing to see in person.eek.gif

Picture quality on the lesser Sharp models is mediocre at best. It may be full array back-lighting, but it is not local dimming and I am sure there are not as many leds behind the diffuser. I saw the 80 inch at BB and the size is impressive, but it suffers from the same problems that the other Sharp models suffer from, washed out blacks, horrible off angle viewing, soft picture, and horrible motion resolution. These ELITES are a clear cut above the rest of the Sharp line. I thought I would like the 847OU 70 incher, but when I got it home it was horrible..there is a price difference for a reason.
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Originally Posted by powermonkey24 View Post

Picture quality on the lesser Sharp models is mediocre at best. It may be full array back-lighting, but it is not local dimming and I am sure there are not as many leds behind the diffuser. I saw the 80 inch at BB and the size is impressive, but it suffers from the same problems that the other Sharp models suffer from, washed out blacks, horrible off angle viewing, soft picture, and horrible motion resolution. These ELITES are a clear cut above the rest of the Sharp line. I thought I would like the 847OU 70 incher, but when I got it home it was horrible..there is a price difference for a reason.

+1
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Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

In case you didn't know, the Elite has a 2 year warranty.
And an extra three more months when you register smile.gif.

I did get the extended warranty offer recently but they give you three months to get it. I'm waiting to see how they address current issues before giving them more money. I need to call and tell them that biggrin.gif.
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