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post #9391 of 13284
6/13/12 at 11:06am
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Originally Posted by General Kenobi View Post

I couldn't pass it up. I love the 70" Elite but even with Cleveland Plasma's fantastic price it is 2x as much and I'm impressed with the VT50 as well. I'll be saving the extra for the 80" OLED Elite in 2015;)eek.gifbiggrin.gif

Grats! I'm pleased you were able to make a decision you are happy with enjoy your VT50 it's a nice display. wink.gif
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post #9392 of 13284
6/13/12 at 11:11am
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Originally Posted by powermonkey24 View Post

Congrats..I'm sure you will be happy with the VT50..I have it right now and wouldnt be returning it if there was no ELITE in the picture..I guess its my own fault, I went from a pn64e8000 to a 70 inch sharp 847OU..hated the picture but loved the size..now 65 seems small..I ruined myself!biggrin.gif

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This is a great lesson for anyone who's thinking about downgrading in size, go bigger not smaller if you can, at the very least stick with the same size you have now. Very rarely is someone ever happy if they downgrade in size and remember that displays tend to shrink over time, already I'm thinking about an 80'' or 90'' for my next display. biggrin.gif
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post #9393 of 13284
6/13/12 at 11:18am
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Originally Posted by General Kenobi View Post

I couldn't pass it up. I love the 70" Elite but even with Cleveland Plasma's fantastic price it is 2x as much and I'm impressed with the VT50 as well. I'll be saving the extra for the 80" OLED Elite in 2015;)eek.gifbiggrin.gif
I'm pretty much in your shoes. I want the Elite, but feel I'm going to have to go with the VT50. The price difference is just too much.
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post #9394 of 13284
6/13/12 at 12:12pm
These displays for the price really should be 4K! The specs should be finalized soon so besides the 80 inch. set if they are smart will wait a bit to release the next 60in. and 70in. versions. Until then I am keeping my Pioneer Elite I paid $2,800 for.
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post #9395 of 13284
6/13/12 at 1:25pm
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This is a great lesson for anyone who's thinking about downgrading in size, go bigger not smaller if you can, at the very least stick with the same size you have now. Very rarely is someone ever happy if they downgrade in size and remember that displays tend to shrink over time, already I'm thinking about an 80'' or 90'' for my next display. biggrin.gif

Yes they do seem to shrink over time dont they? This ELITE 70 will have to last though, at least until I move and have a room that can accommodate an 80 or larger. 70 is perfect, and I am looking forward to the brightness of this set as well, I have a pretty bright room in the morning and afternoon with a slider to the front right of where it will go. Every TV I have had has always washed out with these conditions. The VT50 does the best job so far, but still had to watch. I am hoping the ELITE will give me the bright room performance I need!
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post #9396 of 13284
6/13/12 at 2:57pm
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Originally Posted by General Kenobi View Post

I couldn't pass it up. I love the 70" Elite but even with Cleveland Plasma's fantastic price it is 2x as much and I'm impressed with the VT50 as well. I'll be saving the extra for the 80" OLED Elite in 2015;)eek.gifbiggrin.gif
I'll bet it's at least 2017 -- 2020 for a 80" OLED that's not a five figure item to reach the market. eek.gif
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6/13/12 at 3:08pm
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Yes they do seem to shrink over time dont they? This ELITE 70 will have to last though, at least until I move and have a room that can accommodate an 80 or larger. 70 is perfect, and I am looking forward to the brightness of this set as well, I have a pretty bright room in the morning and afternoon with a slider to the front right of where it will go. Every TV I have had has always washed out with these conditions. The VT50 does the best job so far, but still had to watch. I am hoping the ELITE will give me the bright room performance I need!

It will for sure and you can always change the IVC setting to cut through the ambient lighting, the Elite excels in this area without sacraficing black levels. wink.gif
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6/13/12 at 3:09pm
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I'll bet it's at least 2017 -- 2020 for a 80" OLED that's not a five figure item to reach the market. eek.gif

It will be worth waiting for. wink.gif
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post #9399 of 13284
6/13/12 at 4:19pm
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Originally Posted by General Kenobi View Post

I couldn't pass it up. I love the 70" Elite but even with Cleveland Plasma's fantastic price it is 2x as much and I'm impressed with the VT50 as well. I'll be saving the extra for the 80" OLED Elite in 2015;)eek.gifbiggrin.gif

Good luck General with your new display. I really respect the methodical way you went about it. Not sure if Cleveland came up with a more tempting deal for you, but I'm sure you'll be happy with the VT if you go that way.
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6/13/12 at 4:25pm
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

It will for sure and you can always change the IVC setting to cut through the ambient lighting, the Elite excels in this area without sacraficing black levels. wink.gif
When you say "without sacrificing black levels" you may mean the black levels are still very good, but they are not as good as under the Local Dimming mode. They do rise some.
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post #9401 of 13284
6/13/12 at 4:34pm
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Good luck General with your new display. I really respect the methodical way you went about it. Not sure if Cleveland came up with a more tempting deal for you, but I'm sure you'll be happy with the VT if you go that way.
Thank you. Contrary to what some might think with all the bantering in this thread the owners here have been extremely helpful in making this a very difficult decision for me. Cleveland Plasma would hands down be my go to place if I bought an Elite. If for some reason I am not completely happy with my VT50 that may happen but after weeks of testing I've concluded the VT50 improves on everything I already love about my current panel and the price is too attractive not to give it a shot. If it does not work out it will be much easier to justify the $$ Elite difference after an in home experience with the VT50.
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post #9402 of 13284
6/13/12 at 4:57pm
Many happy viewings, General!
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post #9403 of 13284
6/13/12 at 5:51pm
Is there a difference in black level between the 60 and 70 inch since the larger size had more local dimming zones? My choice is down between the 65vt50 and 60 Elite.
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post #9404 of 13284
6/13/12 at 5:57pm
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Originally Posted by Famouss View Post

Is there a difference in black level between the 60 and 70 inch since the larger size had more local dimming zones? My choice is down between the 65vt50 and 60 Elite.

I think this question was answered here or on home theater shack...but yes the black levels are better on the 70..I wonder if they would have used a 70 ELITE in the shoot out, would it have won?
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post #9405 of 13284
6/13/12 at 8:44pm
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Originally Posted by powermonkey24 View Post

I think this question was answered here or on home theater shack...but yes the black levels are better on the 70..I wonder if they would have used a 70 ELITE in the shoot out, would it have won?

Doubtful. It still would have lost out in areas like motion resolution and color accuracy from (gasp!!) cyan... Hard to imagine getting blacker by the smallest of margins would have offset a considerable disparity in scorecard tabulations.
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post #9406 of 13284
6/14/12 at 3:12am
Don't recall this being said before but you have to remember that minimum black level are measured in a no ambient light environment. Once you start adding room lighting, some displays reflect it worst than others. That's probably what happens with the Elite. It handles room lighting very well. Too bad there isn't a standard test to provide a metric for how a display handles room lighting for black levels.
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post #9407 of 13284
6/14/12 at 7:04am
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Remind me. Are your settings for the CNET settings crowd or RAD's Kevin Miller settings crowd? CNET settings look better on my TV than RAD's settings did. Thanks for posting them. You too Rad.

My calibrated THX Movie settings are closer to RadTech's settings. I adjust the backlight and IVC settings depending on viewing environment, from an almost completely dark room to a full sunlit room.

My post with the settings
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1358702/official-sharp-elite-pro-70x5-and-60x5-owners-thread-no-price-dealer-talk/9090#post_22088613
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post #9408 of 13284
6/14/12 at 7:52am
N3W813, how do you get those high setting numbers in the 10-point WB RGB, like +70 and +60? I only see +- 30 available in my THX mode.

Edit: Oh, I think that was meant as a +7 and a 0, no?
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post #9409 of 13284
6/14/12 at 9:44am
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Originally Posted by AnotherDude View Post

When you say "without sacrificing black levels" you may mean the black levels are still very good, but they are not as good as under the Local Dimming mode. They do rise some.

As long as you don't turn the IVC (Off) Local Dimming remains on in any of the IVC settings. Advanced Low for example still has LD on but increases the brightness of say the light coming from a lamp post without sacrificing your deep inky black levels. You can play with the setting to see what I'm talking about but IVC set to Low seems to be plenty high for cutting through the ambient lighting in the room and works great for a daytime viewing mode.
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6/14/12 at 9:45am
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Don't recall this being said before but you have to remember that minimum black level are measured in a no ambient light environment. Once you start adding room lighting, some displays reflect it worst than others. That's probably what happens with the Elite. It handles room lighting very well. Too bad there isn't a standard test to provide a metric for how a display handles room lighting for black levels.

That's a very good point you make. cool.gif
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post #9411 of 13284
6/14/12 at 10:22am
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

As long as you don't turn the IVC (Off) Local Dimming remains on in any of the IVC settings. Advanced Low for example still has LD on but increases the brightness of say the light coming from a lamp post without sacrificing your deep inky black levels. You can play with the setting to see what I'm talking about but IVC set to Low seems to be plenty high for cutting through the ambient lighting in the room and works great for a daytime viewing mode.

Great..thanks for the tip. It seems like this feature will come in handy the way the sun likes to poor into my living room in the morning and afternoon. This will be critical when football season comes around in a few months here. That brings up another question I have, how does the ELITE do with sports as far as motion blur and fast moving objects? I watch allot of basketball, football, racing..any information will be much appreciated! Thanks RadTech!
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6/14/12 at 10:37am
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Originally Posted by AnotherDude View Post

N3W813, how do you get those high setting numbers in the 10-point WB RGB, like +70 and +60? I only see +- 30 available in my THX mode.
Edit: Oh, I think that was meant as a +7 and a 0, no?

Yes, you are correct. Looks like the forum migration messed with the formatting. rolleyes.gif
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post #9413 of 13284
6/14/12 at 10:49am
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Originally Posted by powermonkey24 View Post

Great..thanks for the tip. It seems like this feature will come in handy the way the sun likes to poor into my living room in the morning and afternoon. This will be critical when football season comes around in a few months here. That brings up another question I have, how does the ELITE do with sports as far as motion blur and fast moving objects? I watch allot of basketball, football, racing..any information will be much appreciated! Thanks RadTech!

It handles very well in my opinion very Plasma like in many aspects, I was watching a Hokey game the other day and I couldn't notice any issues looked great. I have the Motion Enhancement set to 120Hz Low and Film Mode (Off).

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post #9414 of 13284
6/14/12 at 11:13am
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

It handles very well in my opinion very Plasma like in many aspects, I was watching a Hokey game the other day and I couldn't notice any issues looked great. I have the Motion Enhancement set to 120Hz Low and Film Mode (Off).
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Great, thanks! I'm sure hockey is one of the better indicators of how a TV handles motion, with all the pans and fast puck movement. Can not wait to pick this beast up on Saturday!
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post #9415 of 13284
6/14/12 at 11:19am
It's always interesting to read comments on TV prices in 2012.

When I purchased my very first plasma back in early 2006 I selected a 1024x768 Toshiba 42" 42HPX95 plasma (built with Panasonic glass) and it wasn't half bad. I purchased it for $3300 at the time which was actually pretty cheap versus most other similar displays on the market. I later upgraded to a Pioneer 4270 for a similar price and it was much better before going for the first Kuro (5080HD) at $3500 and then the second gen Kuro at $2500 (best TV I've ever purchased).

In 2012 that same $3300 could purchase a top of the line 65" Panasonic plasma and a bit more money could net an Elite Pro. I'm thrilled to see pricing down so far from 2006, but man, it's pretty crazy when you step back and remember those days.
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post #9416 of 13284
6/14/12 at 12:16pm
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It's always interesting to read comments on TV prices in 2012.
When I purchased my very first plasma back in early 2006 I selected a 1024x768 Toshiba 42" 42HPX95 plasma (built with Panasonic glass) and it wasn't half bad. I purchased it for $3300 at the time which was actually pretty cheap versus most other similar displays on the market. I later upgraded to a Pioneer 4270 for a similar price and it was much better before going for the first Kuro (5080HD) at $3500 and then the second gen Kuro at $2500 (best TV I've ever purchased).
In 2012 that same $3300 could purchase a top of the line 65" Panasonic plasma and a bit more money could net an Elite Pro. I'm thrilled to see pricing down so far from 2006, but man, it's pretty crazy when you step back and remember those days.

Yeah, I am pretty sure I paid $7500 for my first plasma at Costco. It was a 50" Pioneer.
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post #9417 of 13284
6/14/12 at 12:56pm
Wow..prices sure have come down haven't they? I wish Costco sold flagship models. Their 2 year warranty comes standard, have to shell out another 400 for bb 2 year!eek.gif
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post #9418 of 13284
6/14/12 at 1:27pm
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Originally Posted by powermonkey24 View Post

Wow..prices sure have come down haven't they? I wish Costco sold flagship models. Their 2 year warranty comes standard, have to shell out another 400 for bb 2 year!eek.gif

In case you didn't know, the Elite has a 2 year warranty.
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post #9419 of 13284
6/14/12 at 1:38pm
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Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

In case you didn't know, the Elite has a 2 year warranty.

Is this true? I cant find this on the ELITE website...if this is true then I can ditch the BB warranty..save myself 400!biggrin.gif
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post #9420 of 13284
6/14/12 at 1:41pm
Nevermind..just saw it..very nice!biggrin.gif
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