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Originally Posted by AnotherDude View Post

I believe Sharp manufactures its own panels.

that was my understanding too: and the panels for the Elite line were selected as the best panels from that line

Hard to grasp that a panel that met all the other criteria could have such wide variations in viewing angle
post #9842 of 14509
well I can't comment regarding different build dates however I can compare the 60 and 70 and both have very similar off angle viewing. Not so much colors washing out but from off angle there is some noticeable haloing on both sets. Both sets are pretty early builds
post #9843 of 14509
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Originally Posted by qwknuf6 View Post

Ken
Lighten up ,that's was just a joke.
This is why the moderators over on HDJ told you and your buddy RAD to chill out .
I thought my explanation of reference displays and color ,while over simplified , was technical but not insulting to the elite display or the owners.
P S .i don't need to justify why I am here ,for you to imply so makes you look foolish ,nor do I need your (Ken) help .....wink if you want;)

I don't find your comments in good taste ether. cool.gif
post #9844 of 14509
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Originally Posted by jh87 View Post

anyone else notice the same thing? I have the very early build 60 and has a very poor viewing angle. I have been wondering if there is different source for the panel, because it seems that individual opinions regarding the viewing angle of elite are quite different.

I have two 70'' Elites for comparison almost next door to each other and I can safely say they look the same in off-axis viewing. I have not compared the 60'' to the 70'' however, every Magnolia Video I've ever been to only has the 70'' on display. cool.gif
post #9845 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Me. It seems to me that almost all of the Kuro owners that are now Elite owners, prefer their Elites. I did countless comparisons between the two before I sold my Pro 151 and the differences in overall color were virtually impossible to detect. I used to work off tons of calories running from my den to my living room to compare the pictures. My wife thought I was nuts....I was. smile.gif

+1

Every Kuro owner I've ever spoken with says the exact same thing as well including Robert at VE, he sold his KURO also for a 70'' Elite. wink.gif
post #9846 of 14509
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Originally Posted by gene9p View Post

LOL..welcome to my world

Must be a very sad world you are living in then. biggrin.gif
post #9847 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Yup. To use the analogy the other poster used, I'd say it's more like our "Elite tape measure" is measuring 99.5 ft vs the correct 100 ft. I suspect that for the overwhelming amount of material, even having a 100% color-accurate display would show very little difference between it and the Elite. OTOH the clear advantages the Elite might have against this theoretical 100% color-accurate display (let's call it a plasma) would make many still gravitate toward the Elite.

This is a great way to look at it for those of you who are still confused over the color issue. wink.gif
post #9848 of 14509
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

I don't find your comments in good taste ether. cool.gif

Please stop replying to my post with non tech information ,

Thank You

Back on topic , the color error is very easy to see on the elite when next to a reference display ,color error is hard to see other wise ,its just that simple .
post #9849 of 14509
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Originally Posted by qwknuf6 View Post

Please stop replying to my post with non tech information ,
Thank You
Back on topic , the color error is very easy to see on the elite when next to a reference display ,color error is hard to see other wise ,its just that simple .

I can't say whether or not that is true, but running from room to room is not a fair comparison. I tried that with my 500m and VT50 (not calibrated) to compare color and black level. Finally I put them side by side.

Honestly though, unless you know a movie inside out and have watched it on a reference display (or seen it in a good quality movie theater) many times, you won't see a difference without a side by side comparison.
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Originally Posted by qwknuf6 View Post

Please stop replying to my post with non tech information ,
Thank You
Back on topic , the color error is very easy to see on the elite when next to a reference display ,color error is hard to see other wise ,its just that simple .

Thanks for proving my point. wink.gif

PS: The color error is (not) easy to see even with a reference display unless one takes the time to put on very specific source material and point it. Even professionals have a hard time finding a scene in a move that shows it outside a color slide set to a very specific luminance level. cool.gif
post #9851 of 14509
not true
post #9852 of 14509
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We can agree to disagree in this case. rolleyes.gif
post #9853 of 14509
At this point in the year anybody waffling between the VT50 and the ELITE should take the VT50 home and pocket the extra 4k to save for the next ELITE witch will be drop within 6 months or less more then likely. Maybe with the next generation of ELITES they will have all the problems and bugs taken care of and it will produce a picture worthy of such a price discrepancy.
post #9854 of 14509
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Originally Posted by qwknuf6 View Post

Ken
Lighten up ,that's was just a joke.
This is why the moderators over on HDJ told you and your buddy RAD to chill out .
I thought my explanation of reference displays and color ,while over simplified , was technical but not insulting to the elite display or the owners.
P S .i don't need to justify why I am here ,for you to imply so makes you look foolish ,nor do I need your (Ken) help .....wink if you want;)

Of course the mods over there said to 'lighten up', they were very very obviously plasma biased. Rad and I were not the only ones that saw that. I got PMs over there from others that agreed. Why do you think I don't bother to post over there anymore?

As for your comments, I have a great sense of humor but found nothing funny about them.

Now, so what is it that brings you here? I'm really curious since most Elite owners have no interest in spending time on Kuro threads or VT50 threads.
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

that was my understanding too: and the panels for the Elite line were selected as the best panels from that line
Hard to grasp that a panel that met all the other criteria could have such wide variations in viewing angle

I can't begin to fathom what QC variables would influence viewing angle.
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Originally Posted by powermonkey24 View Post

At this point in the year anybody waffling between the VT50 and the ELITE should take the VT50 home and pocket the extra 4k to save for the next ELITE witch will be drop within 6 months or less more then likely. Maybe with the next generation of ELITES they will have all the problems and bugs taken care of and it will produce a picture worthy of such a price discrepancy.

True, but the next Elite might be 4K, which there is no content for in the forseeable future. The price tag for this future tech might cost 10K. Then those that were waiting will be scrambling to find an older Elite somewhere still in stock.

Sure, that is pure speculation on my part but the last time I held off was on the the Samsung 8500. Then they discontinued them and went to the crappy edge lit technology. The few places that still had the 8500 started selling their remaining stock at $1000 above MSRP. It became a cult TV. If the upcoming 945 doesn't deliver or it isnt released, I'm getting this Elite. I don't want to get caught short handed again. And for all we know, Sharp could just scrap the next gen Elite altogether. It wouldn't be the first time a manufacturer abandoned quality for gimmicks. Look how long Sony,Samsung and the rest of the manufacturers started aiming all their R&D towards "thinner" and 3D at the cost of picture quality. It could happen again at a moments notice. I'm really not worried about some rare color misrepresentation that can only be seen for 3 seconds in one out of every ten movies.
Edited by kdog750 - 7/10/12 at 2:43pm
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

+1
Every Kuro owner I've ever spoken with says the exact same thing as well including Robert at VE, he sold his KURO also for a 70'' Elite. wink.gif


Interesting Rad, I didn't realize that Robert sold his Kuro for an Elite. Yeah, the reactions of Kuro owners seem pretty consistent. Of course I still have an older 42" Kuro in my bedroom, but that too will go when we move next year.
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

We can agree to disagree in this case. rolleyes.gif

Rad, what motivates this bunch (usually Kuro and VT50 owners) that have no interest in purchasing the Elite continues to amaze me. Any shrinks on-board here? They may have a better idea on this than us. Truly amazing. rolleyes.gif

As I think about it, it is interesting that owners of other LCDs or LED/LCDs are not trolling here.
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Now, so what is it that brings you here? I'm really curious since most Elite owners have no interest in spending time on Kuro threads or VT50 threads.

what gives you the right to continually call into question why people visit or post in a thread?...you don't own this site and you don't have the ability to dictate who is able to post, so stop trying to filter everyone out who doesn't agree with you (no matter how many private messages you send to a mod wink.gif ) ...you don't post at HDJ and HTS as much as here because you won't get away with half the stuff you do here...for some reason (which baffles me) the mods allow you to continue to go overboard with your cult like worship of the Elite while in any other forum it will not be tolerated

everyone who disagrees with you is biased?...then what does that make people who lavish mounds of praise on the set like you and Rad?...if I owned a product and someone else did not agree with my level of satisfaction it wouldn't bother me in the least...as long as I'm happy then who cares what others think or feel...the only reason it would matter so much is if deep down I don't feel as satiusfied as I'm portraying to the public and feel the need to rationalize to myself or others why I spent so much on said product...buyer's remorse will eat you alive if you allow it to...enjoy your set but don't keep getting so ridiculously defensive every time someone has an opinion that might not agree with yours...you've lost so much credibility in the past year as tons of people have seen your unbridled affection for the Elite and have called into question just why it is you are so protective of it
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Originally Posted by qwknuf6 View Post

not true

I actually found this to be true while at VE. Cyan issue really is overblown when viewing real world material side by side with the VT50 and calibrated. This was confirmed while in the same room with both Robert and Kevin Miller. That said they both agreed that the issue does exist. This still wasnt enough to change my mind after viewing both sets

This bickering between the Elite and VT50 is starting to get old. In the end both of them confirmed that neither set beats Kuro on all fronts which is fine by me. My parents own three of them so I am surrounded by great looking displays whether at home or when visiting.

In the end both sets are great and it will be up to the buyer what is more important to them. If color accuracy and dark room viewing is what you prefer over anything else then the VT50 is the better choice. If you need the best possible black levels and contrast in any lighting invironment and like 3D then the Elite is the better choice. In the right setting both sets perform great next to each other. It just so happens the Elite was a better fit for my room.
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Interesting Rad, I didn't realize that Robert sold his Kuro for an Elite. Yeah, the reactions of Kuro owners seem pretty consistent. Of course I still have an older 42" Kuro in my bedroom, but that too will go when we move next year.

Actually Robert owns the Elite, VT50 and a the Kuro 500M. It must be great to be in the industry. That said he has each set installed in a different invironment in which it works best. Sounds like a smart man to me.
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Originally Posted by powermonkey24 View Post

At this point in the year anybody waffling between the VT50 and the ELITE should take the VT50 home and pocket the extra 4k to save for the next ELITE witch will be drop within 6 months or less more then likely. Maybe with the next generation of ELITES they will have all the problems and bugs taken care of and it will produce a picture worthy of such a price discrepancy.

To many including myself it's (very much) worthy of the price, even this late in the game so you should probably rephrase your statement. All next generation displays are supposed to be better and if you have the luxury to wait and hope for something better down the road that's fine to. But I would not recommend the VT50 to anyone unless they were very familiar with Plasma display technology and were willing to put up with it's limitations or annoyances. Also make no mistake new Elite's will have issues as well, every display has them and maybe even some new issues will pop you never know. I certainly (hope not) of course but nothing is ever for certain, in fact that only thing for certain is it won't be perfect. Technology is like a moving train and it may not always be traveling in the direction you want it to, so be careful about wishing for something better down the road over something (great) you could have right now. cool.gif
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TT, of course as usual you are 100% wrong. Buyer's remorse? Nice try and very funny. Is that why I'll be buying a 70" Elite once we move? Gimme a break.

Tons of people have called into question my reactions? Really? Again, gimme a break. You are very loose with the facts as always. Judging from the # of PMs I get asking for advice, I'd say it's quite the opposite. It's guys like you who call my comments into question, not those with a degree of sincerity.

As to questioning why you're here, I have just as much right to ask that question as you do to throw the rocks you so love to pitch. So what gives YOU the right to call into question why I ask guys like you why you are here? The usual suspects that come here to throw stones have no motivation to buy this display but only to throw rocks at owners. Some call it jealousy, some call it trolling, but I personally don't care what it's called, it simply reduces the S/N ratio of this thread and serves no other purpose to owners in an owners thread. Haven't you heard this annoyance expressed from enough owners yet? Yet you continue to do it. You simply have no respect for owners. Most of the time I do a post search of the usual suspects, it's very easy to see that most have either just bought a different display or they love plasmas.

The funniest thing you said is your suggestion that mods should stop owners from praising their display but allow trolls who have no intention of buying this display, to throw rocks. Utterly hysterical...possibly one of the funniest things I've read in this or any other thread.

Yet a guy like Rogo, who used to spend a lot of time here, decided to buy a VT50 and stopped visiting here. Makes all the sense in the world. Did he come here to throw rocks after making his decision? Nope, Mark has too much class to do that.
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I'm still within my 45 day return at bb on my ELITE, but if anybody is interested in a 70 inch ELITE for 6k I would be willing to sacrifice the money for less of a hassle returning it to bb. I am in the Southern California area.

Having owned both sets the picture you get on the VT50 for half the price makes it an infinitely better value then the ELITE. For 7.5K I think perfection is not too much to ask.
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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

True, but the next Elite might be 4K, which there is no content for in the forseeable future. The price tag for this future tech might cost 10K. Then those that were waiting will be scrambling to find an older Elite somewhere still in stock.
Sure, that is pure speculation on my part but the last time I held off was on the other full array back lit with local dimming was the Samsung 8500. Then they discontinued them and went to the crappy edge lit technology. The few places that still had the 8500 started selling their remaining stock at $1000 above MSRP. It became a cult TV. If the upcoming 945 doesn't deliver or it isnt released, I'm getting this Elite. I don't want to get caught short handed again. And for all we know, Sharp could just scrap the next gen Elite altogether. It wouldn't be the first time a manufacturer abandoned quality for gimmicks. Look how long Sony,Samsung and the rest of the manufacturers started aiming all their R&D towards "thinner" and 3D at the cost of picture quality. It could happen again at a moments notice. I'm really not worried about some rare color misrepresentation that can only be seen for 3 seconds in one out of every ten movies.

Nothing wrong with good old speculation you never do know. cool.gif
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

To many including myself it's (very much) worthy of the price, even this late in the game so you should probably rephrase your statement. All next generation displays are supposed to be better and if you have the luxury to wait and hope for something better down the road that's fine to. But I would not recommend the VT50 to anyone unless they were very familiar with Plasma display technology and were willing to put up with it's limitations or annoyances. Also make no mistake new Elite's will have issues as well, every display has them and maybe even some new issues will pop you never know. I certainly (hope not) of course but nothing is ever for certain, in fact that only thing for certain is it won't be perfect. Technology is like a moving train and it may not always be traveling in the direction you want it to, so be careful about wishing for something better down the road over something (great) you could have right now. cool.gif

Come on, the same can be said for the Elite and LED/LCD technology (limitations, annoyances). Pick your poison. You and Ken are just feeding the discussion further with comments like this.

I read this thread and post here because I am honestly interested in the Sharp Elite technology and would like to stay up to date on it. From time to time when someone posts something wrong about plasma technology, I will probably correct them and/or voice my (unbias) opinion.
Edited by jbrady3324 - 7/10/12 at 2:39pm
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I think in the interest of 'trying' to keep this thread intact and to keep it an owners thread (that IS what it is after all), I'm done responding to TT. I'm sure he'll get his last shots in and that's fine. I'll let others respond since this is just getting a bit absurd. I apologize to anyone that's been annoyed by this back & forth, but I know of no other way to correct the misinformation and embellishments some of these guys love to throw around. I don't anticipate that there will be any greater respect for the fact that this is an owners thread. It is what it is guys.
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

what gives you the right to continually call into question why people visit or post in a thread?...you don't own this site and you don't have the ability to dictate who is able to post, so stop trying to filter everyone out who doesn't agree with you (no matter how many private messages you send to a mod wink.gif ) ...you don't post at HDJ and HTS as much as here because you won't get away with half the stuff you do here...for some reason (which baffles me) the mods allow you to continue to go overboard with your cult like worship of the Elite while in any other forum it will not be tolerated
everyone who disagrees with you is biased?...then what does that make people who lavish mounds of praise on the set like you and Rad?...if I owned a product and someone else did not agree with my level of satisfaction it wouldn't bother me in the least...as long as I'm happy then who cares what others think or feel...the only reason it would matter so much is if deep down I don't feel as satiusfied as I'm portraying to the public and feel the need to rationalize to myself or others why I spent so much on said product...buyer's remorse will eat you alive if you allow it to...enjoy your set but don't keep getting so ridiculously defensive every time someone has an opinion that might not agree with yours...you've lost so much credibility in the past year as tons of people have seen your unbridled affection for the Elite and have called into question just why it is you are so protective of it

Its not that you don't have a right to post here. Its that you are generally unwanted. Technically speaking of course.


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post #9869 of 14509
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Of course the mods over there said to 'lighten up', they were very very obviously plasma biased. Rad and I were not the only ones that saw that. I got PMs over there from others that agreed. Why do you think I don't bother to post over there anymore?
As for your comments, I have a great sense of humor but found nothing funny about them.
Now, so what is it that brings you here? I'm really curious since most Elite owners have no interest in spending time on Kuro threads or VT50 threads.

Plasma biased in a LCD forum/thread ?rolleyes.gif

I see a pattern ,pro calibrators ,forum mods ,forum members ,all have some hidden bias,according to you ,please tell us what you think it may be ,or better yet you may have some proof of an evil plot to discredit your display .

Again why do you care or question what forums I read and post in ?

to bad you can't take good advice and lighten up .....the river denial is a classic
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

You are very loose with the facts as always

you really don't seem to understand the difference between fact vs opinion Kenneth...the calibration numbers on the Elite are a fact...stating that no one can see the differences in cyan unless you have another set right next to it is an opinion...everything you post is a subjective opinion...look at Tom Huffman's calibration report on the Elite for facts
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

The funniest thing you said is your suggestion that mods should stop owners from praising their display but allow trolls who have no intention of buying this display, to throw rocks

show me where I said that in my last post?...I know you won't/can't but just thought I'd throw that out there
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