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post #9871 of 13287
7/10/12 at 2:17pm
I'm still within my 45 day return at bb on my ELITE, but if anybody is interested in a 70 inch ELITE for 6k I would be willing to sacrifice the money for less of a hassle returning it to bb. I am in the Southern California area.

Having owned both sets the picture you get on the VT50 for half the price makes it an infinitely better value then the ELITE. For 7.5K I think perfection is not too much to ask.
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7/10/12 at 2:20pm
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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

True, but the next Elite might be 4K, which there is no content for in the forseeable future. The price tag for this future tech might cost 10K. Then those that were waiting will be scrambling to find an older Elite somewhere still in stock.
Sure, that is pure speculation on my part but the last time I held off was on the other full array back lit with local dimming was the Samsung 8500. Then they discontinued them and went to the crappy edge lit technology. The few places that still had the 8500 started selling their remaining stock at $1000 above MSRP. It became a cult TV. If the upcoming 945 doesn't deliver or it isnt released, I'm getting this Elite. I don't want to get caught short handed again. And for all we know, Sharp could just scrap the next gen Elite altogether. It wouldn't be the first time a manufacturer abandoned quality for gimmicks. Look how long Sony,Samsung and the rest of the manufacturers started aiming all their R&D towards "thinner" and 3D at the cost of picture quality. It could happen again at a moments notice. I'm really not worried about some rare color misrepresentation that can only be seen for 3 seconds in one out of every ten movies.

Nothing wrong with good old speculation you never do know. cool.gif
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post #9873 of 13287
7/10/12 at 2:27pm
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To many including myself it's (very much) worthy of the price, even this late in the game so you should probably rephrase your statement. All next generation displays are supposed to be better and if you have the luxury to wait and hope for something better down the road that's fine to. But I would not recommend the VT50 to anyone unless they were very familiar with Plasma display technology and were willing to put up with it's limitations or annoyances. Also make no mistake new Elite's will have issues as well, every display has them and maybe even some new issues will pop you never know. I certainly (hope not) of course but nothing is ever for certain, in fact that only thing for certain is it won't be perfect. Technology is like a moving train and it may not always be traveling in the direction you want it to, so be careful about wishing for something better down the road over something (great) you could have right now. cool.gif

Come on, the same can be said for the Elite and LED/LCD technology (limitations, annoyances). Pick your poison. You and Ken are just feeding the discussion further with comments like this.

I read this thread and post here because I am honestly interested in the Sharp Elite technology and would like to stay up to date on it. From time to time when someone posts something wrong about plasma technology, I will probably correct them and/or voice my (unbias) opinion.
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post #9874 of 13287
7/10/12 at 2:31pm
I think in the interest of 'trying' to keep this thread intact and to keep it an owners thread (that IS what it is after all), I'm done responding to TT. I'm sure he'll get his last shots in and that's fine. I'll let others respond since this is just getting a bit absurd. I apologize to anyone that's been annoyed by this back & forth, but I know of no other way to correct the misinformation and embellishments some of these guys love to throw around. I don't anticipate that there will be any greater respect for the fact that this is an owners thread. It is what it is guys.
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post #9875 of 13287
7/10/12 at 2:32pm
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what gives you the right to continually call into question why people visit or post in a thread?...you don't own this site and you don't have the ability to dictate who is able to post, so stop trying to filter everyone out who doesn't agree with you (no matter how many private messages you send to a mod wink.gif ) ...you don't post at HDJ and HTS as much as here because you won't get away with half the stuff you do here...for some reason (which baffles me) the mods allow you to continue to go overboard with your cult like worship of the Elite while in any other forum it will not be tolerated
everyone who disagrees with you is biased?...then what does that make people who lavish mounds of praise on the set like you and Rad?...if I owned a product and someone else did not agree with my level of satisfaction it wouldn't bother me in the least...as long as I'm happy then who cares what others think or feel...the only reason it would matter so much is if deep down I don't feel as satiusfied as I'm portraying to the public and feel the need to rationalize to myself or others why I spent so much on said product...buyer's remorse will eat you alive if you allow it to...enjoy your set but don't keep getting so ridiculously defensive every time someone has an opinion that might not agree with yours...you've lost so much credibility in the past year as tons of people have seen your unbridled affection for the Elite and have called into question just why it is you are so protective of it

Its not that you don't have a right to post here. Its that you are generally unwanted. Technically speaking of course.


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post #9876 of 13287
7/10/12 at 2:35pm
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Of course the mods over there said to 'lighten up', they were very very obviously plasma biased. Rad and I were not the only ones that saw that. I got PMs over there from others that agreed. Why do you think I don't bother to post over there anymore?
As for your comments, I have a great sense of humor but found nothing funny about them.
Now, so what is it that brings you here? I'm really curious since most Elite owners have no interest in spending time on Kuro threads or VT50 threads.

Plasma biased in a LCD forum/thread ?rolleyes.gif

I see a pattern ,pro calibrators ,forum mods ,forum members ,all have some hidden bias,according to you ,please tell us what you think it may be ,or better yet you may have some proof of an evil plot to discredit your display .

Again why do you care or question what forums I read and post in ?

to bad you can't take good advice and lighten up .....the river denial is a classic
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post #9877 of 13287
7/10/12 at 2:37pm
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You are very loose with the facts as always

you really don't seem to understand the difference between fact vs opinion Kenneth...the calibration numbers on the Elite are a fact...stating that no one can see the differences in cyan unless you have another set right next to it is an opinion...everything you post is a subjective opinion...look at Tom Huffman's calibration report on the Elite for facts
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The funniest thing you said is your suggestion that mods should stop owners from praising their display but allow trolls who have no intention of buying this display, to throw rocks

show me where I said that in my last post?...I know you won't/can't but just thought I'd throw that out there
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post #9878 of 13287
7/10/12 at 2:37pm
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Come on, the same can be said for the Elite and LED/LCD technology (limitations, annoyances). Pick your poison. You and Ken are just feeding the discussion further with comments like this.

Actually I can't think of anywhere I told someone not to buy a VT50 or plasma for that matter. If I did, can you point that out to me? I still own a Kuro, use it in my bedroom and still enjoy it immensely. The Elite won't change that even though I think it's a better display.

I agree that each display has its advantages and disadvantages. No display is perfect and no display ever will be perfect. I don't know how many times I need to say that. None of us are in denial that the Elite is not a perfect display. Sometimes I think that unless we say the Elite is utter garbage, some won't be happy (not saying that about you jbrady).
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post #9879 of 13287
7/10/12 at 2:38pm
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Originally Posted by powermonkey24 View Post

I'm still within my 45 day return at bb on my ELITE, but if anybody is interested in a 70 inch ELITE for 6k I would be willing to sacrifice the money for less of a hassle returning it to bb. I am in the Southern California area.
Having owned both sets the picture you get on the VT50 for half the price makes it an infinitely better value then the ELITE. For 7.5K I think perfection is not too much to ask.


And to you Mr Monkey, somebody needs to go back and re-post your contributions to our fine little thread here. You were the Elites biggest cheerleader for a few weeks and now you sound like TT. I find that very hypocritical. Don't be suprised if no one takes you seriously.

I do hope you sell your Elite. Somebody out there will appreciate it.
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post #9880 of 13287
7/10/12 at 2:42pm
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Plasma biased in a LCD forum/thread ?rolleyes.gif

Correct. Here's an apparent revelation for you, mods in a particular thread don't have to be owners of that technology. Unreal. rolleyes.gif

Enough already gentlemen, can we talk about the ELITE in the Elite owners thread? Unfreakingbelievable.
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post #9881 of 13287
7/10/12 at 2:43pm
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Actually I can't think of anywhere I told someone not to buy a VT50 or plasma for that matter. If I did, can you point that out to me? I still own a Kuro, use it in my bedroom and still enjoy it immensely. The Elite won't change that even though I think it's a better display.
I agree that each display has its advantages and disadvantages. No display is perfect and no display ever will be perfect. I don't know how many times I need to say that. None of us are in denial that the Elite is not a perfect display. Sometimes I think that unless we say the Elite is utter garbage, some won't be happy (not saying that about you jbrady).

I should have been more clear. I wasn't indicating that you said that, just generalizing that you have made comments of that type to further fuel the discussion. You know what I mean.
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post #9882 of 13287
7/10/12 at 2:46pm
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And to you Mr Monkey, somebody needs to go back and re-post your contributions to our fine little thread here. You were the Elites biggest cheerleader for a few weeks and now you sound like TT. I find that very hypocritical. Don't be suprised if no one takes you seriously.
I do hope you sell your Elite. Somebody out there will appreciate it.

I'm wondering if we should simply ignore the trolls here hhtatum. I'm not saying monkey is a troll, but we surely have others here. I'm going to try to not respond to any of the usual trolls and see where this thread goes. I can tell you with 100% certainty the trolls will continue to troll here regardless of what we do, it's simply what they do.

My only concern is the misinformation that will sit here uncontested and that's the only reason I've responded to them. Some simply have so little respect for others and even less respect for facts. Most of us here would never ever do what they do here in a VT50 thread. We're above that. smile.gif
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post #9883 of 13287
7/10/12 at 3:01pm
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Correct. Here's an apparent revelation for you, mods in a particular thread don't have to be owners of that technology. Unreal. rolleyes.gif
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I never thought they had to be,is that your proof of bias?

You understand we are discussing flat panel displays and not life or death decisions.

Undestanding this I find the chances of an evil plot/unfair bias among the top calibrators, several forum Moderators and reasonable minded forum members to somewhere between 0% and 0%.

I do not believe there is bias but would like you to explain your conclusion that the bias does exist.
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post #9884 of 13287
7/10/12 at 3:02pm
For those that had issues with their IR sensor, was the repair to just replace the sensor or the entire board? I seem to recall someone having a major board replaced and, as a result, they had to recalibrate. My friend had only his IR sensor replaced and nothing else. The picture was therefore totally unaffected.

If anyone has that need, ask to have just the sensor replaced first.
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post #9885 of 13287
7/10/12 at 3:17pm
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For 7.5K I think perfection is not too much to ask.
I am very sorry to hear that you paid that much.
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post #9886 of 13287
7/10/12 at 3:25pm
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Originally Posted by powermonkey24 View Post

I'm still within my 45 day return at bb on my ELITE, but if anybody is interested in a 70 inch ELITE for 6k I would be willing to sacrifice the money for less of a hassle returning it to bb. I am in the Southern California area.
Having owned both sets the picture you get on the VT50 for half the price makes it an infinitely better value then the ELITE. For 7.5K I think perfection is not too much to ask.

To expect perfection at any price is unrealistic, although the goal for perfection is admirable it's the journey thats important not the end result. cool.gif
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post #9887 of 13287
7/10/12 at 3:32pm
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

Come on, the same can be said for the Elite and LED/LCD technology (limitations, annoyances). Pick your poison. You and Ken are just feeding the discussion further with comments like this.
I read this thread and post here because I am honestly interested in the Sharp Elite technology and would like to stay up to date on it. From time to time when someone posts something wrong about plasma technology, I will probably correct them and/or voice my (unbias) opinion.

Plasma display technology as it stands right now still has way more issues and I stand by what I said regarding the recomendation, but I don't wish this to turn into a Plasma Vs LED thread. If you believe otherwise more power to you go grab yourself VT50 if you haven't already. rolleyes.gif
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post #9888 of 13287
7/10/12 at 3:37pm
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Its not that you don't have a right to post here. Its that you are generally unwanted. Technically speaking of course.
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+100

You think they would take a hint? rolleyes.gif
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post #9889 of 13287
7/10/12 at 3:46pm
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I'm wondering if we should simply ignore the trolls here hhtatum. I'm not saying monkey is a troll, but we surely have others here. I'm going to try to not respond to any of the usual trolls and see where this thread goes. I can tell you with 100% certainty the trolls will continue to troll here regardless of what we do, it's simply what they do.
My only concern is the misinformation that will sit here uncontested and that's the only reason I've responded to them. Some simply have so little respect for others and even less respect for facts. Most of us here would never ever do what they do here in a VT50 thread. We're above that. smile.gif

Never feed the Troll's they just get bigger and more ugly. biggrin.gif
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post #9890 of 13287
7/10/12 at 3:59pm
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

To expect perfection at any price is unrealistic, although the goal for perfection is admirable it's the journey thats important not the end result. cool.gif

Yup, there will never be a perfect display regardless of cost.
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7/10/12 at 4:07pm
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

I am very sorry to hear that you paid that much.

Me too, but I am stuck with store credit at Best Buy..what can I do?

The fact that the VT50 can put out such a brilliant picture that is on par with the ELITE after taking both sets flaws into account, and do it for half the cost it amazing. What a testament to plasma technology, it will be sad when it eventually gets phased out when OLEDs take over the planet.
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post #9892 of 13287
7/10/12 at 4:12pm
Let's wait till the oleds arrive before we doom plasma or current led. Just because the CES crowd goes gaga doesn't mean the AVS crowd will.
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7/10/12 at 4:21pm
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 View Post

Thanks for proving my point. wink.gif
PS: The color error is (not) easy to see even with a reference display unless one takes the time to put on very specific source material and point it. Even professionals have a hard time finding a scene in a move that shows it outside a color slide set to a very specific luminance level. cool.gif

The Color accuracy issue peaks my curiosity, so last evening I remembered the film Apocalypto with it's heavy use of blues and greens against earthtone.

I cannot speak to the accuracy vs reference, however, I could see nothing that looked out of normal. In the long scenes that take place in the Mayan city during the sacrifices there is considerable use of many shades of blue in body paint and highly detailed body jewelry. The result is absolutely stunning! As this is a personal film favorite for it's historical presentation, I am very knowledgeable of this film's appearance. The Elite 70 (via Oppo 83) was superior to the presentation in the theater; the picture was just brilliant. I certainly had my reservations about this color accuracy issue, although I have not really seen it; however after viewing this film all I can say is if this is inaccuracy, I'll gladly take it 24/7!
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7/10/12 at 4:27pm
Seems to be the way though..like an earlier poster stated about LEDs going edge lit for thin frames, and 3D. Us videophiles dont drive the market its the general public who see a flat panel as a flat panel and like gimmicks and cheapness. I hope your right though, unless the OLEDS put out an amazing picture that will satisfy everybody. I just dont see how the PQ on an OLED can be that much better then either the VT50 or the ELITE, especially at 65 and 70 inches. It will be awhile before a 65 or 70 inch OLED comes out that is under 10K. I dont care how amazing the picture is, no way I am going down to 55 inches for these new OLEDS coming out soon.
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post #9895 of 13287
7/10/12 at 5:02pm
There really is no guarantee that OLED will be the 2nd coming. Most current OLEDs that I've seen are too saturated and from what I've read and heard, OLEDs are supposed to give us really saturated colors. The question I asked before was, if colors are already saturated properly on current display technology to meet Rec709 standards, then what good is a display that saturates the color even further? It would seem to be that the display would then fall outside of Rec709...not what you're looking for.

Then we have the longevity, size and cost issues. A long way to go for OLED IMO.
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7/10/12 at 5:05pm
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Originally Posted by powermonkey24 View Post

I just dont see how the PQ on an OLED can be that much better then either the VT50 or the ELITE, especially at 65 and 70 inches. .

simple. plasma sucks for daytime viewing while leds, including the elite, still have problems with blacks in a dark environment. and thats in addition to a host of smaller issues plaguing both technologies.
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post #9897 of 13287
7/10/12 at 5:16pm
The Elite has no problems with blacks in a dark environment. In fact it's the best I've seen and I've had the class-leading Kuros.
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7/10/12 at 5:22pm
man i don't think i've seen any other thread on avs that has generated this much quibbling.

imo, based on everything i've read, the 2 best sets currently available are the elite and the vt50.

if you have either, you're a winner. arguing over which is better is simply a matter of personal preference.

gentlemen, who cares which is slightly better than the other. i'm more interested in learning if we get an elite 2.0 this year.
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post #9899 of 13287
7/10/12 at 5:48pm
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

The Elite has no problems with blacks in a dark environment. In fact it's the best I've seen and I've had the class-leading Kuros.

thats funny because my opinion is based on its performance in a lit environment.
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7/10/12 at 5:59pm
I disagree as well, my ELITE has no problems in the dark. Blacks are perfect, and the VT50 I had easily handled my bright room in the morning afternoon with ease, not as well as the ELITE but still better then any other plasma I have had. I have never seen the color error people have been speaking of, even watching Apacalypto. If the color error was present it would show up in this movie especially at the point where they enter the Mayan city for the sacrifice. There are so many shades of blue and turquoise that it would have to present itself there.

This is an amazing TV, but for myself I dont think it deserves to be worth twice as much as a VT50. It may not have the color issues that have been discussed extensively, but I have seen pulsing on many occasions and the motion is not as good as a plasma.
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