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post #121 of 159
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Uh, no.

First off, DD+ at 1.5 kb/s would be unlistenable. As would just about any audio format.

DD+ at 640 kb/s sounds the same as DD at the same rate. DD+ at 1.5 Mb/s approaches audible transparency. This isn't marketing. This has been tested and confirmed by people who actually mix movies for a living.

This is all a moot point anyway, as that version of DD+ went extinct with the death of HD DVD.

I'll just stick with what Roger Dressler (formerly of Dolby Labs) has said in this forum here. You can search for yourself.

There is no audible advantage for Dolby Digital being above 640kbps. At 640 is has already achieved transparent to the master. This has been tested by people who test codecs for a living.

Dolby Digital Plus was developed to use bitrates *lower* than those of Dolby Digital and have better performance, and be able to go beyond 5.1, etc. It was also not limited to 640kbps, mainly to add the additional channels and have different packet sizes. For HD DVD anything above 448kbps required Plus due to packet size requirements.

The 1.5Mbps was used due to a certain competitor claiming that their codec was somehow superior because it used a higher bitrate at that same level (never mind the fact that a true superior codec would have better performance at *lower* bitrates but I digress). This would satisfy those who thought they were missing something because they couldn't believe a codec at 640kbps could perform the same as one at 1.5Mbps. You have heard of the placebo effect?
post #122 of 159
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

I have said it before and I will say it again, specs do not a good disc make

But they sure help some folks sleep better at night.
post #123 of 159
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Originally Posted by Geoff D View Post

But they sure help some folks sleep better at night.

I am not sure how they sleep
post #124 of 159
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I saw the 4th movie the other day and surprisingly enjoyed it. I didn't have much expectation, nor read anything about it. T

Surprisingly? A lot of folks think it's the best film of all four. Also cleaning up at the box-office worldwide...may go down as the highpoint of the series on both levels.
post #125 of 159
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It's amazing but I prefer the third
post #126 of 159
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Originally Posted by DM2006RI View Post

Surprisingly? A lot of folks think it's the best film of all four. Also cleaning up at the box-office worldwide...may go down as the highpoint of the series on both levels.

Boffo box office is one thing, but IMO it's nowhere near the best of the series. It's far too fluffy and lightweight, which is ironic considering that the stakes are higher in this film than in any of the others (i.e. the world needs saving, not just Hunt's missus or whatever). It's a treat for the eyes in IMAX, but it rarely engages the brain and I just didn't dig it. I love all the others though, MI3 especially.
post #127 of 159
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post


Uh, no.

First off, DD+ at 1.5 kb/s would be unlistenable. As would just about any audio format.

DD+ at 640 kb/s sounds the same as DD at the same rate. DD+ at 1.5 Mb/s approaches audible transparency. This isn't marketing. This has been tested and confirmed by people who actually mix movies for a living.

This is all a moot point anyway, as that version of DD+ went extinct with the death of HD DVD.

Well, not quite. I was able to mix together the vid and Dd+ from my hd DVD and burn to blu. My player seems to be able to internally decode and pass the 1.5 mbs aud to my avr. Beats the official blu.
post #128 of 159
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Originally Posted by iontyre View Post


Well, not quite. I was able to mix together the vid and Dd+ from my hd DVD and burn to blu. My player seems to be able to internally decode and pass the 1.5 mbs aud to my avr. Beats the official blu.

Dd+ is part of the bd spec, but will never be used
post #129 of 159
The 1.5 mbps DD+ on the HD DVD sounds a little bit better than the DD on the Blu-Ray. I've owned both and by far prefer the HD DVD's sound.
post #130 of 159
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Originally Posted by PeterTHX View Post


I'll just stick with what Roger Dressler (formerly of Dolby Labs) has said in this forum here. You can search for yourself.

There is no audible advantage for Dolby Digital being above 640kbps. At 640 is has already achieved transparent to the master. This has been tested by people who test codecs for a living.

After all the immense uproar over the initial Transformers release on that other format using the "clearly inferior" DD+ at 1.5MPS compared to what a lossless release would have provided, this is an incredibly disingenuous assertion. Come on, it's been four years now, let's all agree to stick with truth!
post #131 of 159
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Originally Posted by iontyre View Post


After all the immense uproar over the initial Transformers release on that other format using the "clearly inferior" DD+ at 1.5MPS compared to what a lossless release would have provided, this is an incredibly disingenuous assertion. Come on, it's been four years now, let's all agree to stick with truth!

Leave the bait alone
post #132 of 159
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Originally Posted by iontyre View Post

After all the immense uproar over the initial Transformers release on that other format using the "clearly inferior" DD+ at 1.5MPS compared to what a lossless release would have provided, this is an incredibly disingenuous assertion. Come on, it's been four years now, let's all agree to stick with truth!

We're comparing lossy DD @640kbps vs. DD+ @1536kbps, not lossless TrueHD.

So the truth is still out there Mulder.
post #133 of 159
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Originally Posted by QuiGonJosh View Post

The 1.5 mbps DD+ on the HD DVD sounds a little bit better than the DD on the Blu-Ray. I've owned both and by far prefer the HD DVD's sound.

Same D/A converters? Same DialNorm offset? It has to be apples to apples here.
post #134 of 159
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Originally Posted by DM2006RI View Post

Surprisingly? A lot of folks think it's the best film of all four. Also cleaning up at the box-office worldwide...may go down as the highpoint of the series on both levels.

Surprisingly, yes, as I didn't expect to like it regardless if other people like it as plenty of what I would consider garbage has done incredibly well at the box office. At some point soon, I plan on renting the first three.
post #135 of 159
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Originally Posted by PeterTHX View Post

I'll just stick with what Roger Dressler (formerly of Dolby Labs) has said in this forum here. You can search for yourself.

There is no audible advantage for Dolby Digital being above 640kbps. At 640 is has already achieved transparent to the master. This has been tested by people who test codecs for a living.

I don't know Roger personally, but I do know other people currently at Dolby Labs who would not make this claim that DD at 640 kb/s is "transparent." They'll stick up for the format and say that it sounds damn good, but won't assert that it achieves transparency.
post #136 of 159
Mission Impossible comparison: US (MPEG-2) vs. NL (AVC):

Same master as the 2006 blu-ray, but the AVC encode gets rid of all the nasty compression issues of the MPEG-2 encode (see example below):



(this is the actual pixel size and not zoomed in in any way)

MPEG-2 (left) vs. AVC (right):














post #137 of 159
They're both victims of the same sub-standard master, but the AVC encode of MI does look that little bit more naturalistic and resolves more detail; look at the faces of the couple in the establishing shot of Prague (4th one from top). As I said in an earlier post, it reminds me of the HD DVD encode (see here: http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ess=#vergleich)
post #138 of 159
Yet another 3-pack is listed for 4/17/12 release (same date as Ghost Protocol). We can only hope for the re-encodes.. Link
post #139 of 159
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What is going on with the front of the bike?? that black spot??

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...ess=#vergleich
post #140 of 159
Dirt removal FTW
post #141 of 159
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Originally Posted by Patsfan123 View Post

Yet another 3-pack is listed for 4/17/12 release (same date as Ghost Protocol). We can only hope for the re-encodes.. Link

Curious....why does BB show this set as a new release but Amazon does not? Am I missing something?
post #142 of 159
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Why no four pack if the same day?
I can live without the HD audio, i am waiting on a full remaster myself.
post #143 of 159
I came within an inch of ordering this a few minutes ago, better wait for more info...
post #144 of 159
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The cover art and description is the same as the UK set and that is the old discs in a new box.
post #145 of 159
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

The cover art and description is the same as the UK set and that is the old discs in a new box.

Oh, OK.
I have MI3 and all I really want is a good MI1 (hate MI2).
post #146 of 159
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Oh, OK.
I have MI3 and all I really want is a good MI1 (hate MI2).

They all need a new master, 3 is OK but hardly state of the art.
Paramount are rather DNR happy with the back catalogue
post #147 of 159
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Originally Posted by Closet Geek View Post


Curious....why does BB show this set as a new release but Amazon does not? Am I missing something?

This is the same boxed release as last December, just without the movie cash vouchers for Ghost Protocol. Not new encodes...just the same discs as before.
post #148 of 159
Now the trilogy gift set is on sale for $17.99 @ Amazon... they must be desperate. I wouldn't take it if they paid ME.
post #149 of 159
How many times can they re-package and re-issue the same crap?!
post #150 of 159
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Originally Posted by spectator View Post

How many times can they re-package and re-issue the same crap?!

That all depends... how much time and how much money do you have?
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