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post #31 of 1007
Visit cine4home for more information on screen door, smooth screen tech etc.

http://www.cine4home.com/know-how/4-...sharpness.html
post #32 of 1007
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Originally Posted by podaman View Post

trimule

I'm also looking at upgrading my 720p PT-AX200U. I've been holding out for a really bright 1080p projector that's less than $2k and this looks like a pretty obvious choice.

Ditto! I currently have the same projector and this is going to be the perfect upgrade for me. I was considering the 4000 but it has less light. My projector sits 21 feet from my 126" screen, so I need all the light I can get. I'm VERY excited about the AR100 and hopefully it's sub $1999 price range.
post #33 of 1007
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Originally Posted by Paul M. Joseph View Post

Visit cine4home for more information on screen door, smooth screen tech etc.

http://www.cine4home.com/know-how/4-...sharpness.html

Hey thanks for that, interesting approach. Effectively something of an optical bloom around each light source. Somebody was thinking when thaty came up with the idea. I figured you could do it with micro-lenses, but this is much easier.
post #34 of 1007
I don't like the looks at all, I think it looks ugly.
I really, really love how the 4000' looks. I guess Im staying with if for longer than I thought.
post #35 of 1007
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Originally Posted by yourtoys7 View Post

I don't like the looks at all, I think it looks ugly.
I really, really love how the 4000' looks. I guess Im staying with if for longer than I thought.

You don't look at the projector, you look at what comes out of it.

However, I don't have that problem as mine sits behind a wall and shines through a 'window'. But, I don't think it's ugly by any means.
post #36 of 1007
Thread Starter 
IMO white projectors are ugly. They are everything a home theatre is NOT supposed to be.
post #37 of 1007
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post
IMO white projectors are ugly. They are everything a home theatre is NOT supposed to be.
I'll agree - all HT projectors should be Thinkpad black, and I believe that is one reason many manufacturers reserve black for their top-end and use white at the bottom. One mroe reason to justify more cash.
post #38 of 1007
Well, after a little history home work, i saw something interesting.
Back in set/out 2007 panasonic launch the ptae2000 and the ax200, the MSRP of the 2000 was 3499 like the ae7000 (2011) and the ax200 MSRP was 1999 like the ar100 (2011). The final official street price or MAP of the ptae2000 was 2699 and the ax200 was 1299. And it make all sense, the ar100 is suposed to replace the ax200 and to be the competitor of the epson 8350 that has a MAP of 1299 last year.
So lets make some finger cross that history repeats all over again!
post #39 of 1007
Obligado
post #40 of 1007
Sorry my bad english!
post #41 of 1007
One more thing that i saw that is also interesting, i think the LCD panels used by the ar100 are the same D9 C2 Fine that are used in the ae7000 and the new epson tw9000.
If you look at the specs of the ar100 and ae7000, the LCD are exactly the same, diferent that the specs of the ae4000.
If this is true, the image quality in 2d (of course!) will be very similar between the ar100 and ae7000, i hope!
http://panasonic.net/avc/projector/products/ar100/
post #42 of 1007
I think you are right. And there is nothing wrong with your English - from my last visit to Lisboa I was very thankful for the high-level of English spoken in Portugal.
post #43 of 1007
Panasonic's throw distance calculator now has the PT-AR100
http://panasonic.net/avc/projector/c.../cal_menu.html
post #44 of 1007
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Originally Posted by lespurgeon View Post

Panasonic's throw distance calculator now has the PT-AR100
http://panasonic.net/avc/projector/c.../cal_menu.html

That calculator kinda sucks no? Why doesn't if it have a zoom variable so that you can set a distance and a zoom and then see the resulting screen size and lumens?
post #45 of 1007
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Originally Posted by drigos View Post

One more thing that i saw that is also interesting, i think the LCD panels used by the ar100 are the same D9 C2 Fine that are used in the ae7000 and the new epson tw9000.
If you look at the specs of the ar100 and ae7000, the LCD are exactly the same, diferent that the specs of the ae4000.
If this is true, the image quality in 2d (of course!) will be very similar between the ar100 and ae7000, i hope!
http://panasonic.net/avc/projector/products/ar100/


Are you sure about D9 panels? I could not find it in the specs
post #46 of 1007
No, i am not sure, just based on reading the specs on the panels sizes, the ar100 and ae7000 as the same size 18.7 mm diagonal , and the ae4000 as 17.78 mm diagonal. I also see that the panel of the ae4000 have exactly the same size that the ae3000. So the panels used on ar100 has to be a new one
post #47 of 1007
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Originally Posted by trimule View Post

I have just enough tech understanding to be dangerous to myself and others standing nearby, so perhaps some knowledgeable person will offer an opinion. My setup is total darkness dedicated theater, 15 foot throw (13 foot viewing) to a 110" white fixed screen. BluRay DVD and Directv HD sources.
I'm really very happy with the output (brightness, color, 720 NR) of my four year old PT-AX200U with one exception - the dreaded "background blurries". John Wayne's static closeup in the foreground is as sharp as I could want but the Indians riding by in the background are blurry. My wife doesn't even see it but it drives me nuts! I assume this is caused by a refresh rate (?) that is much lower than my HD plasma TV.
On the new PT-AR100/AH1000 theRGB Scanning frequency is: H: 15 kHz-74 kHz, fV: 24 Hz-85 Hz,dot clock: 154 MHz or lower as opposed to my AX200U's fH 30-70 kHz, fV 50- 87 Hz Dot clock: Less than 150 MHz
AX200 Brightness: 2000 lumens AR100: 2800 lumens
AX200 Contrast: 6,000:1 AR100: 50,000:1
Are the specs on the new AR-100 going to make a big "spend the money" difference in what I see? In the past, I was told by good honest sales reps at two of "everybody's favorite online dealers" that the AE-4000 just wasn't going to make that much difference in my results and to wait for the next generation. As I have NO interest in the 3D fad (the third attempt to lipstick this pig in my lifetime) does the AR100 look like it's going to be the model I've been waiting for?

Depends what is going on for you. Your AR100 is a 720 p projector. By the nature of this one having 1080p you will have higher resolution so you will see more detail with content that has the detail. On the issue of blurry, that my well be content based - lens focal distance when filming is limited. The main subject is kept in focus, but the background is often out of focus - this can be done intentionally to keep attention on the subject. It is a lot easier to see this on a huge screen than on a smaller plasma.
post #48 of 1007
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Originally Posted by Paul M. Joseph View Post

Are you sure about D9 panels? I could not find it in the specs

Could someone pplease give a technical explanation of the defference between D9 LCD panels, and previous LCD panels, and what are the advantages of D9 panels ?
post #49 of 1007
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Originally Posted by taffman View Post

Could someone pplease give a technical explanation of the defference between D9 LCD panels, and previous LCD panels, and what are the advantages of D9 panels ?

Going off memory...
Contrast is better, sorry can't say for sure how much.
Have greater fill ratio (less screendoor)
High (480 Hz) refresh rate capable (which is used in 3D application).
Probably some other stuff.
post #50 of 1007
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Originally Posted by drigos View Post

No, i am not sure, just based on reading the specs on the panels sizes, the ar100 and ae7000 as the same size 18.7 mm diagonal , and the ae4000 as 17.78 mm diagonal. I also see that the panel of the ae4000 have exactly the same size that the ae3000. So the panels used on ar100 has to be a new one

Now i got it. I think u are right.
post #51 of 1007
http://global.epson.com/newsroom/201..._20110901.html
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Originally Posted by taffman View Post

Could someone pplease give a technical explanation of the defference between D9 LCD panels, and previous LCD panels, and what are the advantages of D9 panels ?
post #52 of 1007
Thanks Paul.
post #53 of 1007
Is the 'Motion Effect' on this pj a Frame interpolation feature?
Thanks!
post #54 of 1007
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Originally Posted by lespurgeon View Post

Depends what is going on for you. Your AR100 is a 720 p projector. By the nature of this one having 1080p you will have higher resolution so you will see more detail with content that has the detail. On the issue of blurry, that my well be content based - lens focal distance when filming is limited. The main subject is kept in focus, but the background is often out of focus - this can be done intentionally to keep attention on the subject. It is a lot easier to see this on a huge screen than on a smaller plasma.


I think you meant to say the PT-AX200U is 720p. The AR100 is 1080p.
post #55 of 1007
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Originally Posted by Viche View Post

I think you meant to say the PT-AX200U is 720p. The AR100 is 1080p.

Yes, right, sorry, thanks.
Looking for the thanks button that does not appear to be included on AVS...
post #56 of 1007
The pt-ae7000 supposedly has improved anti-dust technology:

"Our first question with the engineers at our recent meeting was about the dreaded dust blobs associated with LCD projectors of the past. We were told that the optical block, including the panel and lamp housing, were now well sealed and as far as Panasonic is concerned, it is dust proof so there should be no issues concerning blobs ...."

http://www.avforums.com/review/Panas...or-Review.html

I wonder if the pt-ar100 has the same anti-dust features?
post #57 of 1007
http://global.epson.com/newsroom/201..._20110901.html
Well, it confirms, the ar100, ae7000 and 5010 (epson) uses the new D9 L3C07U-95G00 0.74 inch (1.87 cm) lcd panels. The new epson 3010 uses the new D9 L3C06U-A5G00 0.61 inch (1.54 cm) lcd panels. Lets see if the new D9 are really better than the old D7
post #58 of 1007
Mmmm If this thing looks really good for 2d and is under 1500. I think I might pick this up. How much better do you all think the blacks would be on this over the Optoma hd33? I really have no care for 3d at all. Thanks
post #59 of 1007
I hope it will be not just better, but, much better! the optoma hd20 and hd33 - "They are similar in some areas of performance, though the HD33 looks a bit better" Projectorreview.com
the optoma hd20 cost less than 800€, so for just 2D the panasonic to cost 1500€ has to be much better, or cost much less!
If i can, in europe, buy an epson tw3200 (powerlite 8350 in usa) for 935€, better than the optoma hd 20 and maybe the same image than the optoma hd33 in 2D, what the panasonic will do? I am very curious about the official street price and picture quality of the AR100
post #60 of 1007
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Originally Posted by drigos View Post

http://global.epson.com/newsroom/201..._20110901.html
Well, it confirms, the ar100, ae7000 and 5010 (epson) uses the new D9 L3C07U-95G00 0.74 inch (1.87 cm) lcd panels. The new epson 3010 uses the new D9 L3C06U-A5G00 0.61 inch (1.54 cm) lcd panels. Lets see if the new D9 are really better than the old D7

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