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post #571 of 1007
wow... projector just came in and... wow. I knew it would be big but this thing is MASSIVE compared to my old SP4805!

It's gonna be hard to continue working the rest of the day.
post #572 of 1007
Pixel size comparison to my old 480p SP4805. Stunning!





I should have taken a pic of the BR-Video graphic. Obviously the DVD is upconverted so there's still some jagginess, despite the sharper color transitions. The BRD graphic is even smoother than this.
post #573 of 1007
I just purchased one of these to replace my PT-AX200U. This projector is very much the spiritual heir to the 200u - the remote is very similar, it's the same color and aimed at the same market segment. It is quite large and has a considerably bigger footprint than the 200u. The brightness is impressive as many have stated. I have a white 1.0 gain 106" screen with a throw range of about 15ft and daylight scenes in movies are seriously bright - that is probably the most salient difference between this and the 200u - even in the 'cinema' mode it seems quite a bit brighter. The blacks are acceptable but not great. Something else that really stands out is the sharpness. I don't know if it's the particular unit i got or what but the convergence seems like it's right on the money and the image is sharper than most LCD PJs I've seen. If you're on the fence about this one, pull the trigger. Unless you're insanely black level obsessed you won't regret it.
post #574 of 1007
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Originally Posted by ravic View Post

seems like the "mask area" just chops the picture off. The projector still projects black in that space.

So you will see some light spillage in the masked area. It just gives you the ability to keep the picture clean and only on the screen.

Ravic or anyone else. Can you confirm if this projector is working for you cih setup? Is it just chopping the picture off or is there a way to store settings for 2.35 in the memory somehow? Is there a way without manually zooming to have it work with CIH? Thanks for your help, need to know this before pulling trigger on it!
post #575 of 1007
I don't see how it would work with CIH without zooming, unless you're using an A-lens. Although I have not found the vertical stretch setting for use with A-lenses, but I'm sure it's in there.

I will likely be doing CIW with folding magnetic upper and lower masks, just to block off the bit of light that reflects off the screen in the letterbox area. Constantly readjusting zoom and lens shift would seriously be a PITA for a CIH setup. I'm just glad that it will actually zoom the image larger than my current screen, as my current screen size was determined by the max size I could get out of the old SP4805 projector.
post #576 of 1007
Which projector has more vertical lens shift? AR100U or 8350?

Also, bulbs for the 8350 are currently $91 and up, while the AR100U is $315 and up. Anyone think the AR100U bulb will drop? If not, prices are pretty close since the AR100U is about $150 less than the 8350.
post #577 of 1007
Looking for some of your feedback if this PJ would fit my needs. I have a 92" draper 16:9 pull up traveller screen with grey finish and the pj will be on a coffee table in the family room at 9-9.5 ft distance. We are watching this from 12.5 - 13ft away from the screen. If I have to move PJ any further back it will have to be placed 17ft away behind my sofa.

Brought a Mitsubishi HC4000 last week and tried this setup and ended up returning. Great little PJ and fills the screen nicely but I realized It does not have the brightness I am typically used to on my 50 inch lcd tv and plasma screens. Being family room there is also ambient light that killed the fun. The placement on HC4000 was also somewhat difficult with no lens shift and this led me to look for a bright PJ and panasonic seems to be one recommended around in the reviews with Epson 8350.

Picture quality and brightness are cruical for me, around 1K price Panasonic seems to be a good value. Any thoughts if this would be a good PJ in my setup without being too bright?

Thx
post #578 of 1007
I'm pretty certain the AR100U could easily handle 9.5 feet on the normal power setting with some ambient light in the room. Pretty sure it could easily do 17 feet with less light, not so sure about higher ambient light levels from that distance.
post #579 of 1007
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Originally Posted by SVM View Post

Looking for some of your feedback if this PJ would fit my needs. I have a 92" draper 16:9 pull up traveller screen with grey finish and the pj will be on a coffee table in the family room at 9-9.5 ft distance. We are watching this from 12.5 - 13ft away from the screen. If I have to move PJ any further back it will have to be placed 17ft away behind my sofa.

Brought a Mitsubishi HC4000 last week and tried this setup and ended up returning. Great little PJ and fills the screen nicely but I realized It does not have the brightness I am typically used to on my 50 inch lcd tv and plasma screens. Being family room there is also ambient light that killed the fun. The placement on HC4000 was also somewhat difficult with no lens shift and this led me to look for a bright PJ and panasonic seems to be one recommended around in the reviews with Epson 8350.

Picture quality and brightness are cruical for me, around 1K price Panasonic seems to be a good value. Any thoughts if this would be a good PJ in my setup without being too bright?

Thx

Here's a link back to post #455 to give you an idea of the projector in a bright area.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post21692045
post #580 of 1007
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Originally Posted by Grayson73 View Post

Which projector has more vertical lens shift? AR100U or 8350?

Also, bulbs for the 8350 are currently $91 and up, while the AR100U is $315 and up. Anyone think the AR100U bulb will drop? If not, prices are pretty close since the AR100U is about $150 less than the 8350.

From Projector Central reviews.

Epson 8350:

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Placement flexibility. Epson's home theater projectors have always had excellent placement flexibility, and the Home Cinema 8350 follows in that tradition. The manual zoom/focus lens has a range of 2.1:1, just like the Home Cinema 8100. It can display a 100" diagonal 16:9 image from 9' 9" to 20' 10", or a 120" diagonal image from 11' 9" to 25' 1". The 8350's zoom range is the longest you will find on any home theater projector. As far as lens shift goes, the Home Cinema 8350 has a vertical range of just under two picture heights and a horizontal range of 25% in either direction.

Panasonic AR100U:

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Placement flexibility. The AR100U has a 2.0:1 manual zoom lens, plus manual lens shift. The lens shift uses the same joystick controller found on the AE7000, complete with the same protective cover to keep it from getting jostled when not in use. With the lens shift, you can place the bottom edge of the image 15% of the image's height above or below the centerline of the lens, which makes both ceiling mounting and coffee table mounting a possibility. Of course, using the center position of the shift also allows for a rear shelf mount. The horizontal shift can move the image 25% of the image width in either direction, which allows for some creative installations should something prevent you from placing the projector on-axis with the screen. When planning your installation, think of the lens shift range like an oval, rather than a rectangle; you cannot reach the extreme horizontal and extreme vertical ends of the shift range simultaneously.

The cheapest I find the lamp replacement for the AR100U is around $314 with shipping. I owned the Panasonic PT-AE900U for 5 years, bought two bulbs and the pricing changed little during that time. I would expect the same for this projector.
post #581 of 1007
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Originally Posted by mtucker View Post

There is a horizontal and vertical screen position setting in the menu, but you want to use the lens shift to get the picture centered on the screen. It is generally suggested to leave the electronic positioning at zero.

Projector reviews posted their settings http://www.projectorreviews.com/pana...alibration.php for the REC 709 mode (the chart near the bottom of the page). It is a little confusing as they say it is for REC 709, but the chart is labeled Cinema. I fired mine up last night for the first time. Looks nice. I will be using the Digital Video Essentials Bluray to dial in my settings.

I checked that link and set up my AR100 to match those settings. But of course I know that's not the best given calibrations need to be performed specific to the screen being used. But it's a starting point anyway.

I just received my Spears & Munsil calibration BRD yesterday, so hoping to spend some time messing with settings over the weekend, if I can get the projector mount all painted and back up on the wall.
post #582 of 1007
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Originally Posted by Grayson73 View Post

Which projector has more vertical lens shift? AR100U or 8350?

Also, bulbs for the 8350 are currently $91 and up, while the AR100U is $315 and up. Anyone think the AR100U bulb will drop? If not, prices are pretty close since the AR100U is about $150 less than the 8350.

From projector central's comparison (sorry first post so I am not allowed ot post a URL):

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Placement flexibility. While both projectors have 2.0:1 zoom lenses, the AR100U's lens shift range has about 20% more vertical range than the 8350. This may make the AR100U easier to install in certain situations. The AR100U can be easier to ceiling mount without the use of an extension tube, and it can be placed under a low table without forcing you to lower the screen on the wall. Of course, either projector can be placed on a rear shelf. The 8350 loses 39% of its potential light when used at the telephoto end of the zoom compared to 46% on the AR100U. So in both cases you should take potential light loss from the 2.0x zoom lenses into account when planning your screen size and throw distance.
post #583 of 1007
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Originally Posted by izakmarais View Post

From projector central's comparison (sorry first post so I am not allowed ot post a URL):

This is why I'm confused. Projector Central says the 8350 "vertical range of just under two picture heights" and AR100U says "you can place the bottom edge of the image 15% of the image's height above or below the centerline of the lens."

To me, the above means that the 8350 has greater vertical lens shift.

Then, in the comparison review, it says "the AR100U's lens shift range has about 20% more vertical range than the 8350".

Which is it?
post #584 of 1007
Here is the information on lens shift on page 24 of the AR100U manual. Think of the lens shift range on the AR100U as more of an oval than a rectangle. As far as the 8350 goes you may want download that manual...or post your question in that thread.
LL
post #585 of 1007
Here is a mini-review from projectorreviews from their gaming blog section.
http://www.projectorreviews.com/proj...0u-review.html

Used DVE to calibrate last night. It didn't take much adjustment to dial it in (using REC709 mode in eco-mode). Using the blue filter is just fun.
post #586 of 1007
So, one thing is that Panasonic doesn't advertise this projector as having Smooth Screen like their previous models. I am considering upgrading to this model from an AX100, and (at 720p) that was one of my favorite features of my projector. How is the screen door effect relative to competing 1080p models?
post #587 of 1007
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Originally Posted by Argyle View Post

So, one thing is that Panasonic doesn't advertise this projector as having Smooth Screen like their previous models. I am considering upgrading to this model from an AX100, and (at 720p) that was one of my favorite features of my projector. How is the screen door effect relative to competing 1080p models?

I was concerned about the lack of smooth screen also since other LCD projectors looked awful (screen door) when I bought my AX100U five years ago. I didn't compare the AR100U to other 1080P projectors, but like my AX100U, I only see dots on the AR100U when I get up to within a few feet of the screen. I am not sure if they didn't need smooth screen because of the higher resolution. I have been very happy with my switch from the AX100U to AR100U.
post #588 of 1007
Check my pic above, you can only barely make out the dots, and that's zoomed in all the way with a *big* Nikon camera lens, from only 3-4 feet away.

I could just make out the pixels on my SP4805 from 9-foot viewing distance, and absolutely cannot see the pixels from more than about 3 feet on the AR100.
post #589 of 1007
Hmmm... this might finally be the projector I need to upgrade my AE900U after 5 years of service. I've been so scared of upgrading because I do not want to mess something that just works. I have a dedicated home theater with light control, a 120 inch 2.35:1 Carada screen married to my AE900U. I do have an old Panamorph P750 anamorphic lens that i'm anxious to try out with this new projector. Hope this would work out well. Will be purchasing this week.
post #590 of 1007
Hi all,

I am thinking about getting this projector to replace a Sanyo Z4 720p pj. The setup is:

1. 23' away from the screen. behind a wall, so fan noise is not an issue
2. screen: carada 118" criterion with the high gain white surface G=1.3
3. basement setup with good light control

question: i am debating between this and the epson 8350. I think that the epson may work better in this setup given the darker room, but the price difference makes the panny a more attractive choice ~$300 less. Also the issues with the epson bulb dying is causing me some hesitation.
i also want the extra brightness. the old Sanyo suffered from weak output at such a long throw distance, despite dark room.

anyone else have a similar setup and still happy with this projector?

currently, i am still using a yamaha rxv2600 receiver as my prepro. this is a 1080i unit. does this matter? won't the projector change the i to a p image?

thanks!
post #591 of 1007
If you check the AR100U projector calculator at Projector Central you will see that you are on the far end of the throw range at 23 feet for a 118" (16:9?) screen so I hope your measurements are exact. You will get roughly twice the light output from the AR100U than you do with your current Z4.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/Pana...ulator-pro.htm

And yes the AR100U will take the 1080i signal and project at its native resolution. I fired up my old HD-DVD player (720p/1080i) last night and watched Carlito's Way, considering the source it looked excellent.
post #592 of 1007
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Originally Posted by FACP View Post

Hmmm... this might finally be the projector I need to upgrade my AE900U after 5 years of service. I've been so scared of upgrading because I do not want to mess something that just works. I have a dedicated home theater with light control, a 120 inch 2.35:1 Carada screen married to my AE900U. I do have an old Panamorph P750 anamorphic lens that i'm anxious to try out with this new projector. Hope this would work out well. Will be purchasing this week.

I also upgraded from the AE900U and haven't regretted my decision...but my HT is a family room with windows/doors on the first floor of my home so it's not a bat-cave. First thing you'll want to do is kick the AR100U down to eco-mode to tame the light output and fan noise. Your preferred modes will be either Cinema or Rec709 and although you could do a calibration right away but I would wait until the bulb has 100+ hours.
post #593 of 1007
I just pulled the trigger on my first multi-purpose projector and picked up one of these AR100U's. I pair it up with a DIY Wilsonart screen thats 109'' with 3 inch black velvet border.

I absolutly love the projector! This thing can battle ambient light very well, even with the white screen, without loosing too much quality.

I do however have a question for the other pannyowners as well as anyone else who could help. Would it be worth it to calibrate the projector with like 15 hours on it, or wait? Also, is the "Disney WOW" calibration disc a good tool for a PJ noob like myself?
post #594 of 1007
I just ran through some calibration procedures last night with my Spears & Munsil BRD, but the projector only has maybe 15-20 hours on it. Guess I'll check it again after it passes 100.
post #595 of 1007
The manual says that lens shift is 65% of screen height. My projector is below the bottom of the screen, which would be 50% of screen height correct? Therefore, lens shift should work in my situation?
post #596 of 1007
As far as calibration, I am just using Art's settings. I doubt if many of us have the skill and equipment to do any better. I have been pleased with his settings in the past and intend to stick with them this time also.
post #597 of 1007
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Originally Posted by Grayson73 View Post

The manual says that lens shift is 65% of screen height. My projector is below the bottom of the screen, which would be 50% of screen height correct? Therefore, lens shift should work in my situation?

The vertical shift range (in inches) is determined by the size of your screen which you don't mention. As you say the manual states that the vertical shift range is 65% of the screen height.

Example: 100" (16:9) screen has a height of 49"
Vertical shift is 31.85" (above or below the screen surface)

Example: 120" (16:9) screen has a height of 59"
Vertical shift is 38.35" (above or below the screen surface)

So you can see you have plenty of vertical range for most conventional installations.

From the Projector Reviews website:
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PT-AR100U Lens Shift

This Panasonic has plenty of lens shift as well as lens flexibility ! For that same 100 inch screen, the PT-AR100U can be placed, (normal or inverted), anywhere from about 32 inches above the top of the screen surface, all the way down to 32 inches below the bottom of the screen surface. That is measured from the center of the lens. There is also a good amount of horizontal lens shift. Using horizontal lens shift will partially limit the range of the vertical lens shift (and vice versa).

The combination of the wide range zoom lens, plenty of lens shift, gives you the flexibility to ceiling mount or shelf mount the PT-AR100U in almost all room situations.
post #598 of 1007
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Originally Posted by TruSpyder95 View Post

I do however have a question for the other pannyowners as well as anyone else who could help. Would it be worth it to calibrate the projector with like 15 hours on it, or wait? Also, is the "Disney WOW" calibration disc a good tool for a PJ noob like myself?

It doesn't hurt to calibrate a new projector but be aware you'll probably want to go back and check your calibration after 100 hours or so, it may need to be tweaked a bit. The Disney "WOW" disc is geared toward people with little experience but also works for more seasoned calibrators. I own it and found it very useful. I also own the Digital Video Essentials (DVE) Blu-ray and have downloaded the free AVS HD 709 calibration file and burned it to DVD.

If you haven't already I recommend you read Ralph Pott's review of the Disney "WOW" disc.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1303667
post #599 of 1007
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Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post

The vertical shift range (in inches) is determined by the size of your screen which you don't mention. As you say the manual states that the vertical shift range is 65% of the screen height.

Example: 100" (16:9) screen has a height of 49"
Vertical shift is 31.85" (above or below the screen surface)

Example: 120" (16:9) screen has a height of 59"
Vertical shift is 38.35" (above or below the screen surface)

So you can see you have plenty of vertical range for most conventional installations.

From the Projector Reviews website:

So in your example for 100", the projector would normally be in the middle of the screen at 24.5" height. That means that I can have the projector 31.85"-24.5", or 7.35" below the bottom of the screen, correct?
post #600 of 1007
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Originally Posted by Grayson73 View Post

So in your example for 100", the projector would normally be in the middle of the screen at 24.5" height. That means that I can have the projector 31.85"-24.5", or 7.35" below the bottom of the screen, correct?

There are too many inconsistencies right now to answer unequivocally. If one reads the Projector Reviews website they state that the projector can be positioned up to around 32" above or below the screen, while the Projector Central website review of the AR100U says:

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With the lens shift, you can place the bottom edge of the image 15% of the image's height above or below the centerline of the lens, which makes both ceiling mounting and coffee table mounting a possibility.

This would basically agree with the math you came up - 7.35" or 15%.

I have written Panasonic tech support but their reply was ambiguous at best. I will try for more clarification.

EDIT: Today (4/3/12) I received another reply from Panasonic tech support which read:

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Thank you for your response.

The vertical lens shift for this size (100") screen is 31.9 inches or 809 mm. That means the projector can be mounted above or below the center of the screen 31.9 inches. Or the image can be shifted up or down (from the center lens position) 31.9 inches.

You may find our online throw distance calculator helpful in setting up your installation.

http://panasonic.net/avc/projector/c...169/ar100.html

We hope this information is helpful to you.

Thank you for contacting Panasonic.

The downside of the written explanation of the vertical lens shift is that it is easy to confuse the issue with the illustrations in the owner's manual
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