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Originally Posted by samalmoe View Post

So are you guys leaving reality creation on all the time?

We are.

If I decided not to use it I would sell my 1000.
post #1292 of 9691
Ok. I'm canceling my 95 order and getting one of these. Damn you Joerod.
post #1293 of 9691
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Originally Posted by mookie b View Post

Ok. I'm canceling my 95 order and getting one of these. Damn you Joerod.

Now you're talkin'!
post #1294 of 9691
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Originally Posted by mookie b View Post

Ok. I'm canceling my 95 order and getting one of these. Damn you Joerod.

Having planned a path to the 1000 via the 95, and as Joe can also attest, you won't regret going straight for a 1000! Well except perhaps for the much lighter wallet!
post #1295 of 9691
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 4 View Post

Now here is a question to keep things heated up. Suppose two projectors are of equal lumens out and one is of a resolution just under 2K and the other one is of a resolution of 4K, would they work equally well on the same screen? Or would one require a better screen than the other (not re gain, but re smoothness and ability to sharply resolve on off 4K vs 2K pixel patterns). And might this not be a reason to move from Studeotec 130 to a Snomatt 100 or even JKP Affinity .9 or 1.1, a screen of exceptional smoothness and of the ability to resolve a tight on off pixel pattern. And all other things equal, would one projector require a better lens to be able to resolve 4K given that the other projector which would only require a lens with the ability to resolve 2K.

Another issue is the lens quality of various projectors. A one chip DLP projector can indeed be sharper than any 3 chip projector regardless of DLP, reflective LCD, or transmissive LCD. But it certainly depends on the lens quality.

I own several one chip DLP machines and one with the same T1 lens used in certain one chip DLP machines mentioned here as possible alternatives to the Sony. The T2 lens available with these machines is a better lens than the T1 which certainly is no slouch. But great lenses the T1 and T2 are not. Their choice is dictated by price point and pretty much all competitors at these price points use those lenses.

My Samsung SP-A900B in my opinion based on my comparative observations is a better lens.

How good is the Sony lens? I really don't know but I will tell you it displaying misconverged 3 chip 4K SXRD (and ALL 3 chip projectors will not have perfect convergence, thus they will all have some degree of misconvergence), doesn't make me miss the sharpness of the Samsung let alone the lesser sharpness of a single DLP LED lit machine using a T1 lens.

A one chip DLP machine can clearly have better sharpness than any three chip machine but that depends on implementation including lens selection and except for a potentially sharper picture to me it can't hold a candle to a three chip DLP. And I can't define it except to say a three chip DLP has a more solid firmer image much in the same way a 4K three chipper is more solid in image than a 2K three chipper. What I am waiting to see is a 3 chip 4K DLP machine with a 4K quality lens and a street price of the Sony. In two years we will see it at a MSRP of $89,000. Just a prediction.

If money were no object, I think a great three chip 2K DLP machine is a viable to the Sony 4K machines. It clearly will do certain things better and others not as well. One needs to chose and be prepared to pay a lot more for the choice of a great 2K three chip DLP. Its hard to go wrong with either. And for that matter it hard for most to afford any any of them.

Here, Mark, I have to put in a plug for the HP2.4 screen. It produces a very fine, sharp image that seems to me to be a great match for the VW1000. Doesn't hurt, either, that the gain allows very large screens that still produces dynamic brightness. You ought to see it! My HDTV pic is 136x72 (a 17x9 image, with '2.35 Zoom' aspect). Engrossing from 11 ft viewing distance.
post #1296 of 9691
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post


Now you're talkin'!

I have no business getting one of these as I barely know what convergence is let alone adjusting it. I'm gonna be the drunk "that guy" at your guys super sophisticated 1000es party.

It's gonna be fun though!
post #1297 of 9691
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

We are.

If I decided not to use it I would sell my 1000.

Joe. Would you recommend or buy the machine if it didn't have RC?

I would buy the machine regardless of whether it had it or not. The question is whether one should use it and how to set it. And frankly it doesn't matter whether someone else uses it, or thinks it should or shouldn't be used, you have a choice. Should you or shouldn't you? What if you do and you really shouldn't or what if you don't because he told you you shoudn't and it turns out you should. And God forbid you use it and don't set it optimally. No one here can tell you how to set it. Well this one said not to use it, another said use it but set the sliders to minimum, Sony says to use 20 and 20 at normal brightness and 50 and 50 for torch modes, and Haflich says watch out using too much RC noise filtering cause it causes blotches on a pixel on off pattern and balance out the red on a pixel on off pattern with a proper mix of resolution and noise filtering whatever that may be.

When you get the machine, play with it to your hearts content. And please tell everyone who thinks you should do something re RC that is different from what you are doing that you will be doing that even if you won't.

Do whatever you think looks better to your peepers. And if you can't make that choice based on what you see, then buy something else that doesn't have that option.
post #1298 of 9691
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Originally Posted by mookie b View Post

Ok. I'm canceling my 95 order and getting one of these. Damn you Joerod.

Awesomeness! Join the 1000ES Elite!
post #1299 of 9691
I got my cheap graphics card in today so I could output 4k from my computer to the Sony 1000. Wow what a huge difference. That is the only way to truly appreciate what the machine is capable of.

I do have 2 issues with my Sony. Not sure if it's a setting or what. If I'm in reference mode with everything at default, and I put directv on Fox News, the scrolling ticker bar sort of goes in and out of focus and then it will stutter every minute or so.

The other major issue, when there is a solid white background being projector. The bottom 1" to 2" of the image sort of fade from white to yellow all the way across the bottom of the screen. It's very noticeable. Has anyone else seen this?

I'll try to post some pictures of what I'm talking about.
post #1300 of 9691
Very true Mark.

If it never had it I guess I would not know what I am missing. Seriously though knowing what I know now I would most likely not buy if I couldn't use. We tried not using it for 5 minutes tonight and all I kept thinking was how much better it would look with it on!
post #1301 of 9691
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Originally Posted by mookie b View Post

I have no business getting one of these as I barely know what convergence is let alone adjusting it. I'm gonna be the drunk "that guy" at your guys super sophisticated 1000es party.

It's gonna be fun though!

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post #1302 of 9691
OK, what would be the ideal seating distance for the 1000ES on a 118x50" screen when viewing 2.35:1 AR fullHD and 3D?
post #1303 of 9691
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Originally Posted by ccool96 View Post

I got my cheap graphics card in today so I could output 4k from my computer to the Sony 1000. Wow what a huge difference. That is the only way to truly appreciate what the machine is capable of.

I do have 2 issues with my Sony. Not sure if it's a setting or what. If I'm in reference mode with everything at default, and I put directv on Fox News, the scrolling ticker bar sort of goes in and out of focus and then it will stutter every minute or so.

The other major issue, when there is a solid white background being projector. The bottom 1" to 2" of the image sort of fade from white to yellow all the way across the bottom of the screen. It's very noticeable. Has anyone else seen this?

I'll try to post some pictures of what I'm talking about.

I had something similar that I posted in one of these threads with a picture, except my color shift was red. Sony exchanged that pj. When I was packing it up I turned it over and felt/heard something literally move or drop from the top to bottom of the pj. So something was definitely wrong with that unit.
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

I had something similar that I posted in one of these threads with a picture, except my color shift was red. Sony exchanged that pj. When I was packing it up I turned it over and felt/heard something literally move or drop from the top to bottom of the pj. So something was definitely wrong with that unit.

Sounds like a screw was dropped during assembly.
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post #1305 of 9691
So how long do you guys figure it will take for this tech to trickle down to more "mainstream" prices (10K or less)? I would love one of these things, but 25K is way to much for me. Think sony will release a cheaper version with a less expensive lens/less lumens in the next year or so?
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Originally Posted by Murat View Post

OK, what would be the ideal seating distance for the 1000ES on a 118x50" screen when viewing 2.35:1 AR fullHD and 3D?

About 118" (~10 ft), 1 screen width, but it's a very individual preference.
post #1307 of 9691
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Originally Posted by whitetrash66 View Post

So how long do you guys figure it will take for this tech to trickle down to more "mainstream" prices (10K or less)? I would love one of these things, but 25K is way to much for me. Think sony will release a cheaper version with a less expensive lens/less lumens in the next year or so?

My TWO CENT guess is 24 months.
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Originally Posted by whitetrash66 View Post

So how long do you guys figure it will take for this tech to trickle down to more "mainstream" prices (10K or less)? I would love one of these things, but 25K is way to much for me. Think sony will release a cheaper version with a less expensive lens/less lumens in the next year or so?

I don't know, but I am not expecting it to hit below 10K MSRP by next year.
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post #1309 of 9691
How rapidly have SIM2's dlp prices come down?
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

Sounds like a screw was dropped during assembly.

So I just tested my second one for this and it does the exact same thing. I am betting its just in the design now...

Can someone else who has not mounted theirs yet test this so I can know mine is fine? Just carefully pick it up from table mounted position and turn it fully over. Right as it gets completely upside down there is a small clunk and you can feel something move or slightly drop.
post #1311 of 9691
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

So I just tested my second one for this and it does the exact same thing. I am betting its just in the design now...

Can someone else who has not mounted theirs yet test this so I can know mine is fine? Just carefully pick it up from table mounted position and turn it fully over. Right as it gets completely upside down there is a small clunk and you can feel something move or slightly drop.

Could it be a cable harness moving around?
post #1312 of 9691
It has to be something like that. I guess one could take the case cover off and quickly determine what is moving but one would do that at their own risk. I wouldn't want to try that myself without a service manual. I ain't Cine4home. He could take a swiss non digital watch or a Weber downdraft carb appart and reassemble it correctly without instructions.
post #1313 of 9691
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

So I just tested my second one for this and it does the exact same thing. I am betting its just in the design now...

Can someone else who has not mounted theirs yet test this so I can know mine is fine? Just carefully pick it up from table mounted position and turn it fully over. Right as it gets completely upside down there is a small clunk and you can feel something move or slightly drop.

When I unpacked mine I checked for loose sounds turning it upside down, and heard nothing. I have not plugged it in yet though so it may be a DOA
post #1314 of 9691
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Seriously though for the rest of the industry Video Processors are nearly extinct. I used to be a big fan and I loved my Crystalio II back in the day. VPs are important maybe to some here at avs but not so much anywhere else. I'm sorry to break the news...

"Some" at AVS? What about Picture by Picture? Chromapure calibration? I know those aren't core features, but they sure are enough bonuses for me to call a Lumagen essential with this PJ...
post #1315 of 9691
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Originally Posted by turls View Post

When I unpacked mine I checked for loose sounds turning it upside down, and heard nothing. I have not plugged it in yet though so it may be a DOA

Hmm - ok weird. Odd that I would have two doing the same thing....
post #1316 of 9691
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Originally Posted by turls View Post

"Some" at AVS? What about Picture by Picture? Chromapure calibration? I know those aren't core features, but they sure are enough bonuses for me to call a Lumagen essential with this PJ...

And you definitely represent the very small percentage of people that would use those. Like I mentioned very few from my site ask about VPs. I know more than a few dealers () who will say joe-public does not even know what a VP is. The very small amount here at avs that represent the majority keeping VPs barely alive may not be able to do it much longer...
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Joe. Keeping it alive has nothing to do with it. One needs to try it and then reach your own conclusion. I think if you try a Lumagen you won't want to not have it. It will be interesting to see what you conclude after trying one. I loook forward to your observations.
post #1318 of 9691
Being able to interactively calibrate for a perfect grayscale, gamma, and color points by just moving sliders in the software is one of the coolest things I have seen in a while in audio/video... well before seeing the 1000's picture, that is.
post #1319 of 9691
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post


Your best bet might be just to set the iris on Manual and squeeze it down as much as you need to get the off screen brightness you want. With this relatively smallish screen, you should be able to close the iris way down and thus get excellent CR without the DI and avoid any aspects of it you might not like.

Let's say I did that, though, and the setting I end up with is not the minimum iris. If the iris is fixed at that value, I lose the lower black floor that the iris could give in low APL scenes. Conceptually, it seems like there should be a benefit to a "variable but do not exceed this brightness" mode.
post #1320 of 9691
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 4 View Post

Joe. Keeping it alive has nothing to do with it. One needs to try it and then reach your own conclusion.

Do they provide free trials or money back guarantee?

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I think if you try a Lumagen you won't want to not have it. It will be interesting to see what you conclude after trying one. I loook forward to your observations.

If they don't do the above, then I think it is unfair to say "go and try it." We are not talking about a hamburger. If there is a lot of cost involved then we have an obligation to prove the value using science, demonstration, white papers, etc.
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