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Originally Posted by Randall Morton View Post

A high gain screen will raise the black floor. On dark scenes your blacks will look a bit grayer.

Anyone have any idea about which 3d glasses are best with this projector. I need a couple more pair and wonder if I should just get two more like the ones that came with the projector?

In generel the Monster Vision is working very good with the Sony´s ( HW30ES and the 95ES ) so I would expect them to be very good with the 1000ES, and you get the RF and the posibility to adjust the shutter time and delay manuel if you need to.


dj
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Still loving our Monsters!!!
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How much could a "T1" and "T2" lens options have increased the price of VW1000 if Sony had decided to split the throw range over two lenses?
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Originally Posted by Art Sonneborn View Post

As long as this device delivers,it is not taking food off the table for your children life is indeed short. It is very likely going to perform to the level or exceed some parameter of the next generation lower priced units. So unless you couldn't afford it in the first place it shouldn't result in buyers remorse IMO.

I might get buyers remorse a little if say in one year a unit that outperforms this all around and sells for say half but I bet this isn't going to happen.

Art

Agreed. Unless JVC or DLP comes out with a cheap 4k, what is the incentive for Sony?
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Originally Posted by d.j. View Post

In generel the Monster Vision is working very good with the Sony´s ( HW30ES and the 95ES ) so I would expect them to be very good with the 1000ES, and I get the RF and the posibility to adjust the shutter time and delay manuel if you need to.


dj

I'm using the Monster with the 1000 and they work very well. You should use the external emitter from Sony though. At least with my experience.
post #1356 of 9644
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Originally Posted by Srgtfury View Post

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Originally Posted by millerwill
How rapidly have SIM2's dlp prices come down?

....good point


dj


If this keeps up, the W1000 price might

increase!!!

Thank you very much

Fury


I have never seen a Sony projector, who has arrieved on the marked, who have gone up in price later ! not even if it was a big succes

dj

Your welcome ( and BTW, for now, I havnt buyed one..........yet )
post #1357 of 9644
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

I'm using the Monster with the 1000 and they work very well. You should use the external emitter from Sony though. At least with my experience.

Wait, are you saying use the external emitter from Sony if you use the Sony glasses? Or do they work with Monster as well? I thought Monster was RF only, but maybe it is IR too.

I tried pm'ing you about the glasses you are trying to see if I stick with Sony...
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

I'm using the Monster with the 1000 and they work very well. You should use the external emitter from Sony though. At least with my experience.



Strange, my experience with the bouild in transmitter in the 90Es and the 95ES is that they are working very good and I never had any problem with either ( projector 3,7 m to screen, then bounce off screen back to me about 2.8 m away = about 6,5 m in all, NEVER hav any problem with sync )

This was both with my Studiotek and a high gain screen.

But the 30ES with an external was a lot worse and very sensible - could never get it to work stable with bouncing off the screen - had to put it in front of me

And actully Sony say, that they have put a even stronger transmitter in the 1000ES !

dj
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Originally Posted by turls View Post

Wait, are you saying use the external emitter from Sony if you use the Sony glasses? Or do they work with Monster as well? I thought Monster was RF only, but maybe it is IR too.

I tried pm'ing you about the glasses you are trying to see if I stick with Sony...

You will need the IR to RF converter from the MV kit ( but you can still use the built in or external transmitter from Sony to the Sony glasses )

dj
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The Monster glasses (which are the same as the Optoma glasses) are RF only. The Sony glasses are IR only. If you have two emitters, one IR and one RF you can use both IR and RF at the same time. Now the Sony puts out IR. There is no real need for an external IR emitter unless circumstances of IR throw etc require an external IR emitter. The Monster RF emitter comes with an IR receiving cable which can intercept part of the IR coming from the Sony, feed it to the Monster RF emitter, which converts it to RF and sends it to its RF glasses. Ergo you can use both at the same time. Hopes this helps.
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Originally Posted by d.j. View Post

Strange, my experience with the bouild in transmitter in the 90Es and the 95ES is that they are working very good and I never had any problem with either ( projector 3,7 m to screen, then bounce off screen back to me about 2.8 m away = about 6,5 m in all, NEVER hav any problem with sync )

This was both with my Studiotek and a high gain screen.

But the 30ES with an external was a lot worse and very sensible - could never get it to work stable with bouncing off the screen - had to put it in front of me

And actully Sony say, that they have put a even stronger transmitter in the 1000ES !

dj


This issue is my projector is mounted in a different room with an opening large enough for just the lens blocking the built in emitter. So the external emitter was a requirement for me. I just decided it was easuer to use the Monster RF and mount it on the external emitter. My throw is also about 20ft which may be too far for the signal too bounce anyway.
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The Sony 3D glasses work perfectly fine using the 1000's built in Emitter bouncing off my screen. So did the 95s...
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Originally Posted by turls View Post

I tried pm'ing you about the glasses you are trying to see if I stick with Sony...

Another member has asked me to hold until Fri before he decided on the glasses. I'll let you know if he changes his mind.
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Found a video posted today with some decent screenshots....I'm trying to occupy my mind until the weekend when I'll have mine!

http://vimeo.com/37329320
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Originally Posted by mookie b View Post

Found a video posted today with some decent screenshots....I'm trying to occupy my mind until the weekend when I'll have mine!

http://vimeo.com/37329320

Fun video- Thanks. I've spoken with a few folks locally who have been to the Screen Innovation headquarters to see the Sony 1000 on a Black Diamond screen, and they have all been amazed!
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The saga of Millerwill's classic story cointinues. Today I drove by our country mailbox coming up our drive way and the flag was up indicating a full box, it was empty yesterday. I opened the box and it was filled with a large brown paper wrapped soft object. Ta da. Millerwall was returning our Sony lens protector, freshly washed and folded.
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 4 View Post

The saga of Millerwill's classic story cointinues. Today I drove by our country mailbox coming up our drive way and the flag was up indicating a full box, it was empty yesterday. I opened the box and it was filled with a large brown paper wrapped soft object. Ta da. Millerwall was returning our Sony lens protector, freshly washed and folded.

Glad to hear that it made it, Mark. (Best regards from Bonn!)
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I found a a short interview with the R&D team behind this projector.
They use the term "4K 3D", if they don't mean 2x 4K full panel 3D it is still not full 4K 3D. They also mention their desire for developing 8K and 16K projectors.

A pdf of the interview can be found in the bottom right hand corner of the link;

Leading the way towards ever higher resolution

Here are a visual presentation of the up-conversion/processing tech. Unclear if this is something new or if this is already in use.

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Thanks coolscan.
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Originally Posted by Ben Withrow View Post

Cool96,

What is your throw distance? I'm assuming you are using the woven 14' wide screen. Can you comment on brightness? Fan noise?

Thanks,

The Sony I have is being used on my 135" diagonal 16:9 screen in my living room. Not the 14' wide scope screen in my theater.

Its just not bright enough in my opinion for a screen that large! Atleast for my taste.

And compared to all the DLP projectors I'm use to. The Sony might as well be perfectly silent. I can't hear it at all.
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Cool. 15/9?

Anyhow, today I replaced my Studeotec 130 GII with a piece of Snomatt. My screen is only 54 x 96. The brightness drop was noticeable but the Sony was still plenty bright tjhough I did open the iris up a bit more.

The picture however was noticeably and markedly better. The clear window I have talked about here became clearer. Perhaps what I am trying to say is the screen material was now absent from perception. I watched one of those under the seas 3D Imax films and it was like being in an aquarium. Crystal clear and great depth with considerable visability of the space behind the primary objects being filmed.

I called my wife down and she said this was like viewing the disc for the first time.

She then asked to watch the video of the musical Memphis on a PBS station. She felt it was like being slightly off stage or being the conductor in the orchestra pit. I said do you want to me to switch to one of our other projectors for comparision. She said why? She said this was amazing and made watching HD into a new experience and was obviously magnitudes better than our other projectors. I put the best one on anyway, and it is no slouch, and she said was I trying to kid her. It was now unwatchable.

When watching a projected image in a good HT, one is aware that it is a projected image and not the actual you are there scene. The new screen material now removed the awareness of the screen from that perception in my HT. The projector, perhaps because of the increased pixel density and increased lumens over the other projectors I, on the Studeotec 130 GII screen presented a much more liquid rather than digital
picture if that makes any sensethan I have seen before. The picture just looked real but with the 130GII I was still aware of the screen.. Obviously what we saw last night was due to the projector and screen and being in a black pit. My wife stayed in the theater for almost 4 hours, a new record. This one gets shipped out on Tuesday.
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 4 View Post

Cool. 15/9?

Anyhow, today I replaced my Studeotec 130 GII with a piece of Snomatt. My screen is only 54 x 96. The brightness dropwas noticeable but the Sony was still plenty bright tjhough I did open the iris up a bit more.

The picture however was noticeably and markedly better. The clear window I have talked about here became clearer. Perhaps what I am trying to say is the screen material was now absent from perception.I watched one of those 3D Imax films and it was like being in an aquarium. Crystal clear and great depth with considerable visability of the space behind the objects being primarily filmed.

I called my wife down and she said this was like viewing the disc for the first time.

She then asked to watch the video of the musical Memphis on PBS station. She felt it was like being slightly off stage or being the conductor in the orchestra pit. I said do you want to me swtich to one of our other projectors for comparision. She said why? She said this said was amazing and made watching HD Television into a new experience and was magnitudes better than our other projectors. I put the best one on anyway, and it is no slouch, and she said I was kidding. It was now unwatchable.

This is my wife and she doesn't write my material. She stayed in the theater for almost 4 hours, a new record. This one gets shipped out on Tuesday.

Please stop! You're making all of us who can't afford one of these insanely jealous.

I'll have to stick with my lowly 1080p projector until I can get one of these used in a few years.

I'm just glad that I'm ignorant to what the picture actually looks like. I wonder how much better it really looks compared to my projector? Maybe one day soon I can get a demo somewhere.
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I don't even want to mention Puss In Boots!
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I will finally get one next week, I was a little late with my order and this is so popular that it was a huge backorder in Europe so Norway gets its first 3 next week and one of those is mine. I am really looking forward to this!
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I got my unit on thursday-ive not yet had a chance to watch a full movie-but im mighty impressed so far with what ive seen. My screen is a seymour xd cia, the scope image is a 140 inch wide and im sat between 3.5metres away. The throw distance is around 4.5 metres.

The pj will be mounted on a rack, which is being put together by a carpenter as i type. It will need a few coats of stain but im hoping to watch a full movie tonight
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Today, I finally got to readjust the mount on my 1000. Finally, I can say its all nicely level and at optimum for my setup, dialing out some unwanted lens shift. So I've now done some further testing with 3D Bluray and finally 3D PS3. I put on Transformers and having viewed it in smaller digital 3D cinema, I had a pretty decent ref point for examining it on the 1000. As much as I don't advocate the X104 glasses, they perform as well as they do with the VW95 and still better than the factory Sonys. I spent some time tweaking film mode 2 3d. To me reality creation at 40/20 seems to provide the right detail needed for a replication of good 3D cinema. High lamp mode compensates for the shutter glasses, even good ones. I did find one quirk, to my eyes DCI colour temp with D6500 works better for than D6500 for both that and colourspace. I also tested these settings with my fav rev Ultimate Wave 3D. Considering I've watched the difference in proj 3D quality since the 90 and was extremely impressed how much of a jump the 95 was, I really have to say now I've got the 1000 set up to my liking for 3D, I am truly in awe of that the quality could get this much better again. The precision is just jaw dropping in the accuracy and detail, and this creates a 3D depth that is just mind-numbing. Just to finish off, a word on 3D gaming. I used game mode, untouched for this. First and foremost, in gaming the 1000 has finally banished ghosting I'm very happy to say. I spent a solid hour on Drakes Deception and have to say I was truly captivated. If anything it made me want a theoretical 'PS4 4k', since the 1000 now shows the limits of PS3 graphics big time.
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Originally Posted by Billybobjimbob View Post

I got my unit on thursday-ive not yet had a chance to watch a full movie-but im mighty impressed so far with what ive seen. My screen is a seymour xd cia, the scope image is a 140 inch wide and im sat between 3.5metres away. The throw distance is around 4.5 metres.

The pj will be mounted on a rack, which is being put together by a carpenter as i type. It will need a few coats of stain but im hoping to watch a full movie tonight

BillyBob,

Please post an update when you get a chance. I have a 1000es and plan on a 141" wide screen (no A-lens). Can you let us know what you screen gain is, what lamp mode you need, and how loud the projector is in high lamp mode? I also plan to sit close 144" and have a similar throw. As such, your setup is very similar to what mine will be. Do you have the projector ceiling mounted?

Thanks,
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I have to agree. I think we finally caught up to the DLP 3D level with the 1000ES. Of course the cost to do so.........
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Joe. I don't think you have seen the beast at its best yet.

You really should see it on a high quality low gain screen of a size where the machine can still light it up bright enough for whatever ones brightness standards are.

I am also bemused how little comments there are about how to set the RC. Most here don't have a clue and if they used a calibrator, the calibrator probably had no clue either. All I can conclude is that the reality of the picture slightly improves with RC on but one must be very caredful in setting it and that setting it can't be based on simply viewing normal content and playing with the sliders and stopping at a point where things look a little better than with RC off.

One needs to use pixel on off patterns to see how the two controls produce artifacts in such patterns unless set to points where they don't. This is tough because a whole variety of artifacts appear under various combinations of settings. For example, certain lines becoming darker, some wider, pink tinting of the patterns, pink banding, one click changes in brightness. Most of this in picture content is hard to see but is there.

Careful settings can produce a uniform sharpening of pixel lines with only a faint tint of pink with no banding. I can be fairly certain that in no condition is RC on both sliders set to minimum the best setting. I find no RC on setting where some degree of noise filtering won't improve the picture.
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I actually enjoy using both my screens. My Vutec Silverstar for Blu ray 2D and DirecTV general viewing including sports and my "cheapo" Electric 1.4 Matte White screen exclusively for 3D content. Best of both worlds...
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