Sony VPL-vw1000 - Page 69

Wow.............this is like swinging at Nolan Ryan's high cheese! Is this the third strike?

I've been watching ...............with much intrepidity.............not so much any more.

Hope things work out..........

[quote=audiovideoholic;21882635]Wow! It seems non stop with these pjs. I hope I'm one of the lucky ones.
/QUOTE]

My second replacement still has the banding issue - it seems to be at least partly related to low/high lamp mode - it is much more noticeable in low lamp mode, which is what I use with my HP screen - its still there in high, but less so.

http://gallery.me.com/gbastug#100478

This is the combination I'm leaning towards, at least if the quality problems that a few folks have had don't prove to be the norm!

I asked someone from Screen Research about 4K, and they felt that it would look fine. I can't see the weave from a reasonable distance. Definitely have to be closer than to a microperf'd scree, where I can see it 10-12 feet away.

If you get a chance to try this combo, please let us know what you think, and I'll do the same!

Yeah that is aweful. Do you notice it in most dark scenes now that you have dicovered it?

Discovered it watching golf... Vertical pans against uniform backgrounds, especially mid to low brightness, can show it real world material...

Golf will show any flaw in any tv whether it be plasma, lcd, projector, etc...

It is my go to source when I get a new tv and the same source I show techs when replacing tvs under warranty. The panning of the sky and greens background will show any and everything. I love it and hate it.

I was originally talking about the green circles hifi is dealing with and seeing on fade to black scenes. I would rather have his problem than banding for sure!

Thanks Mike, I will

For now I have "only" the 95ES and some ( small) sample from EN4K and CP2 - so I can only test with a 1080P "resolution"/ pixel count off 2.2 mill.


dj

BTW I have a old studiotek 130 microperf ( 100" 4:3/ 92" 16:9 )for now to, and at 2,7m ( around 9 feet ) I can just see the perf - but not a big problem, but it cant show one pixel on/off perfect and it do moire ( besides the fact, that I wants to go bigger and 2.40:1 with maybe E-mask )

Yes, sorry - though you were referring to the banding video when I replied...

Yeah I can see it everytime, but just on very dark and fade to black.

I really hate hearing about all the problems these pjs are having but gotta wonder what our population is out of the total sales. We here will surely hear all the negatives obviously but how many people go out and buy these things that dont participate on the forums is the big unknown.

The one good thing is the swap program but once the time period runs out how are they going to deal with those that just keep getting bad replacements? Surely they will continue to swap but if they dont the shipping could start adding up quickly! A couple shipping fees would be getting close to lamp territory!

Does Sony offer an extended warranty that continues to include advanced replacement? While I was on hold with support today the hold "talk" mentioned extended warranties so it got me wondering.

I think somewhere in this thread people got an idea of how many had been sold. If that was right, then I think the numbers here are a decent statistical sample. The question may be how many people get a "bad" one and don't know it. It appears they have some issues, which isn't unusual for a new technology/product. But they may be passing another popular European brand when it comes to new unit hiccups. You have to give them kudos for the exchange program. As long as they don't start tightening it up.

It is nice that Sony keeps exchanging the projectors until the current owners have a good unit, but what do they say the reason is for the ongoing problem with the banding?
Are they working on a fix for this? Is it a panel problem or a firmware issue?
I plan on buying one of these this summer to replace my VW200, but don't want to be playing musical chairs with shipping projectors back and forth until I get a good one.
It seems to me that Sony should stop shipping these until they have solved the problem, and then replace the units out in the field then put them back on the market.
I see on another thread that Sony is working on a laser projector. Is that going to be the new top of the line projector to replace the 1000?
The thread mentioned that the consumer version would be around $10k.
Was the 1000 just a "stopgap" release until the laser projector is released?
Or is the laser projector just "Vapor hardware" being discussed and the release is several years out?
I would hate to put out all of the $$ for the 1000 now only to have it MD'ed because of the new Technology of laser projectors will be the next generation of hardware.
Its too bad that Sony didn't develop a solid state lamp for the 1000.
I know that it would have been on the bleeding edge of technology though, but if there is a SS lamp on the horizon, they should have waited a bit longer to release the 1000 and used the SS lamp.
Oh well, guess they can't do everything at once, they have to do one advancement at a time to get the consumer to keep on buying the next generation of projectors to upgrade

I wouldn't hold my breath. Still.... you can be sure in a few years there will be better, cheaper PJ's. How old are ya, and how much money you have?
I'm gonna take my chances with the Sony 1000. It has just about everything I'm looking for in a PJ (ignoring the cost ). I actually made a list of my 10 criteria I wanted in a PJ, and the Sony 1000 satisfied all but one, which leads me to:


The last item on my list is "LED preferable". Of course, no PJ manufacturers "develop a solid state lamp". As far as I know, there is only one company, Luminus, that makes an LED chipset. PJ mfg's are squeezing more lumens out of the current generation, but none can touch the light output of the Sony 1000.

Neither of mine had banding. I don't think that's as widespread as this thread makes it seem...

Still loving my 1000, every night!

What's everyone's take on the Sony losses and layoffs in terms of affecting such a niche product like the 1000? I suspect home projectors alone would not be worth keeping for Sony, unless they spawn off the R&D of more profitable business and commercial units...but that's just me guessing...

http://smarthouse.com.au/Gaming/Industry/N8S7B8W9

How many here run in High Lamp vs Normal Lamp mode?

I run in Normal, and the banding is more obvious in this mode - if most here run High, perhaps that's one reason why it's not noticed as much. I'm on my third unit, and all have had the banding on internal gamma patterns screens as well as external sources. Short of their being some insanely odd power issue which has never affected any other projector or any other equipment, I don't know where else to investigate on my end.

The only other thing that seemed to affect the banding that I could test was sending the 1000 a native 4k signal from my media PC - this also reduced the banding affect (at least in the prior unit - haven't checked with the current replacement)

Curious if those who run on High switch to Normal, and look at some 15 to 40% greyscale patterns, do you see any banding? (and I know, looking for issues in patterns is not the end game, but I do see it in certain actual content, as the golf video posted several pages back shows)

The difference with this unit is the banding is the same place (in the original unit, it would appear in different places over several hours of viewing), and I don't have the separate reddish discoloration at the bottom (though only about 55 hours usage so far). However, you can begin to see the bottom edge turning more yellowish on the bottom, so I hope this does not return (not noticeable at this point on normal viewing however)

If you don´t manufacture products you can not make a profit.
Not all campanies can be about moving money. In the end the money must be invested in something. If there is overcapacity in the market low prices will kill off those who are not strung enough to wait out the competitors.
The short product cycles is good and bad.

Thrang - I was reading the Home Theater Magazine review on the 1000 where they focused a good portion of the article on the 3D performance. If I read correctly, they are claiming the 1000 is no brighter in 3D (through the glasses) than the X70 or the VW95.

This is surprising, I don't recall any specific measurements before this article detailing the lumen output in 3D mode. The author is recommending a high gain screen and gave it a relatively low ranking with a 118" 1.3 StudioTek.

Can you comment on this compared to the other 3D projectors you've had? I know you have a nice sized HP screen.

thanks!

While I don't have measurements, I would say:

• The VW90 was Abysmal
• The RS-50 was Abysmal's in-bred cousin with a festering wound and in need of an intervention
• The VW-95 was good
• The VW-1000 is very good/excellent

This is all with the same 133" 16x9 2.8 HP screen, same projector position.

For me, I doubt I could do even the 1000 without the HP for 3D. But comparatively, the 1000 is noticeably brighter than the 95 in 3D - of course, there have been some wide ranging reports of 1000 projected lumens from different sources, so perhaps this is coming into play.

Tangentially, some older 3D titles seem worse than newer ones in terms of brightness - A Christmas Carol is not authored correctly for 3D it seems, in that properly authored titles seem to take into account the brightness loss and compensate somewhat. But that's just me guessing...

Good question, probably needs its own thread.

Digital media and digital media playback has become the great equalizer for CE companies. Some how Sony missed this. It's hard to understand how Sony missed it as they were clearly the innovators for much of the technology. They've lost or given up on TV displays and portable music systems. Computers are commodity items and they really missed the boat on cell phones.

Sony has no main stream product that any one is interested in except for maybe cameras. Sony's existing product lines are "me too" type offerings with little to differentiate them from any other manufacturer and their prices are high. Other manufacturers have caught up with good design aesthetics, their products work very well, many times better than Sony, and cost less.

I really don't know what can be done other than down size, cut their losses, and becoming a smaller, more stable company. If the future is truly digital streaming, people are not going to need a lot of CE type boxes in their homes and a $50-$100 box does the job if it isn't already built into the TV. Digital media delivery seems to be the next big thing and Apple along with Amazon, Netflix, etc. are in the drivers seat.

Sony's survival might just be niche type products like projectors; that and becoming a smaller company in regards to CE.

I run in high lamp and have excellent uniformity. If I set Contrast much above 90, though, I do begin to see a pink cast to the grayscale.

That article was not a very good write up. I can tell you by my personal experience in 3D:

JVC RS50 = 3D was ok not very bright
JVC RS55 =3D has serious ghosting issues, als not very bright
VW95= (spent some time with Thrang). Very good 3D, pretty bright
VW1000= I haven't scene any ghosting. Very bright image on my 120 wide 2.35 Seymour XD screen.

The two JVC projectors were on a 100 inch 16x9 StudioTek 130.

I think Thrang's list is spot on.

thanks for the reply. The brightest 3D projector i've seen so far is the Epson 5010. The brightness is excellent on my 142" 2.8HP. I calibrated the torch mode to ~D65 and it's still putting out nearly 1500 lumens.

@ adidino - I don't have an issue with the article since the author did take the time to measure ft-L through the glasses. This topic is relatively subjective without specific measurements through the glasses and the reviewer did have all 3 projectors in the same room, on the same screen.

The Vw1000 measured 2.1 ft-L, the X70 just under 2.0 ft-L and the VW95 ~2.4 ft-L. He claims to have done everything possible to maximize the brightness in 3D on the 1000. This is why I was asking others who own the projector who might have measured the actual performance in 3D.

thrang,
How many hours would it take on the bulb before banding appeared? Was it always present and got worse or did it first appear after X number of hours?

Dave

Our 3D is plenty Bright and using the 1000 I have never thought if it only was brighter like I have with previous projectors.

Very strange Thrang. I've had no banding on either of my units (first was replaced due to high pitch whine coming from rear lamp area...). I run it on normal.

joe - aren't you using it on the high gain screen though? The context of the review was how bright in 2D the projector was on a low gain screen, yet the reviewer was disappointed in the 3D performance on the same screen. I was expecting 1500-2000 lumens in 3D mode, but don't recall anyone posting actual measurements of the light output in 3D mode or through the glasses.

This isn't the same review that used the preproduction unit that wasn't full brightness, is it? I didn't see a newer review but I may have missed it.

Can somebody email me the throw distance calculator for the 1000ES?

Thank you mrt-cuh@superonline.com