Sony VPL-vw1000 - Page 71

Hey guys,

I just ordered mine and it should arrived in a week or so

I was wondering if there's somewhere the preferred settings to use pre-calibration, I will use it with out of the box settings for the the first 200 hours or so until my installer comes to calibrate it with my Radiance, it seems there's a lot of settings and I'm not really tech savy, I also have no clue about 3D settings...

Anyone tried to feed the vw-1000 with a HTPC running one of the new fancy graphic card capable of outputting 4k and if so is it any better than the Sony internal scaling?

Cheers

I would not think mechanical lens shift does, but I am on 160" wide screen so everything is probably magnified. I actually mean color shift, not lens shift. I probably need to post some pics but it is the same issue described in other posts. When you put the test patterns up, you can see ghosted lines instead of one uniform line.

I am getting excellent results using the new Sony 790 to upscale my Blu rays to 4K! I will be playing all weekend with this but so far going back and forth the 790 does a damn good job. Maybe the more info sent the better from an already good source (Blu ray 1080p/24 upscaled to 3840 X 2160)? I am waiting a call back from a source at Sony to learn more...

As for the S790, it is THE Blu ray player to get. Bar none. Review on that coming soon.

Oh and before anyone freaks out over the screens shots they were taking quickly with my cell...

Of course there is no such thing as a free lunch. In 1080p you can adjust the image while in 4K you cannot. Being able to tweak makes all the difference in the world. Especially with the 790's settings. Super Resolution, Smoothing, Contrast Remaster and Clear Black to name a few make the image more crisp with adding extra depth. I am not sure yet whether Sony's Super Bit Mapping is on during 4K yet. Purists may like the 4K upscaled better and I will admit the jury is still out for me. I will keep playing.

On a side note. It is a pain to switch it out of 4K and 1080p. You have to turn the Resolution from Auto to 1080p but also toggle the 790's HDMI Control On and Off as well as the Link to TV setting On and Off. Ugh!

A Crestron would automate that for you

Dang it! Now you tell me.

And Hank is a Crestron Programmer

Now if only that dang Integra 80.3 we've got would handle 4K passthrough like it should be able to eh! Im liking the sound of this 790 player, by what your saying about its 4K upscaling quality. So in your view, in pure BR playback perf it does a better job than say the Oppo-93? I need another good player to drive my other system, could be an excuse to try a 790 if so. I've never had any Sony players, bar the PS3 as a default BR player years back.

You don't need it to pass through since the 790 has Dual HDMI outs. I will still test it since I have a 80.3 and the new Onkyo 818 here. As for comparisons I am doing a Review so I won't say much now except Netflix and Amazon look better. Being able to do 1080p Netflix is nice. Image is top notch with the cool adjusting the 790 has. Loving the Clear Black! Go to the 790 blu ray thread to see a cool pic of those adjustments I am talking about. I would make it my "next" player if I were you.

Again, Joe, please compare the result you get on your VW1000 with the 790 doing the upconversion or the VW1000 doing it. Earlier reports were that Sony itself said that the VW1000 would do the upconversion much better than the 790 would.

I have an Oppo 83 (and am really not interested in 3d) which does an excellent job in outputting 1080p and so am inclined to just stay with it and let my VW1000 do the upconversion. When there are 4K BD's, and a BD player that plays them, THEN I'll be ready to upgrade to it.

Yeah but Joe, I'm too used to running 4 hdmi devices switched via A/V Pre-pro. It's great to know, as with the Oppo 93, that you can run dual HDMI's out and one say direct to display. However, that turns it into a completely manual swap over in my system of the main HDMI output that's running to the VW1000 and into the plugging that into Sony player. It would be fine if I ran 2 runs of cable to the proj. However Audioquest is expensive and my run is already slightly clunkily done due to access issues getting across the room to the proj.

You know from my experience already with the AMD Radeon 4K video cards that there is an issue passing 4K via the 80.3. If you find the Sony player somehow gets around than then please let me know as that would be extremely interesting. I have had nothing back from my contacts at the Onkyo/Integra distributors here regarding 4K passthrough via the 80.3.

I know about the initial reports first hand. I was told that for my Review from Sony. And yes I have been comparing all night.

I will say the 790 is better than your Oppo 83 (I beta tested it for them) not just with Netflix and Amazon On Demand but also with Blu ray 1080p. Blu ray has never looked better. Sony really has mastered the video adjusting of their format. I am laughing harder now at Cambridge Audio for releasing a new 1249.00 player! The 790 is superior and it's MSRP is 249! I am done with Blu ray 1080p players now until we get true 4K. Thanks to the 790.

Expensive? You have a projector with a MSRP of 25K! Connect a long, cheap component or s video cable to your current HDMI cable and pull it out. Then do the same but connect two HDMI cables. You are going to have to do this some day for Blu ray 4K anyway so might as well get it out of the way now. Sony even gives a part number in their manual for high speed HDMI cables so maybe they're not as expensive?

I will report soon whether the onkyo/integra can pass it soon.

The movie on in the background is The Ring. It's tint is the way the Director wanted it to be. This 1000 does not have any banding issues. I received a couple PMs asking me about it overnight.

So how do they compare? Can you see any difference on whether the 790 or the VW1000 does the 1080p -> 4K upconversion?

Still testing....

Just finished installing my 1000ES, with some initial tweaks 2D is beyond belief I also tried Transformers 3D which was also amazing, but obviously with 3D it gets a bit dark.

Anyway to cope with the brightness loss with 3D? Any settings you recommend which might help or try different glasses? My screen is a 118" wide Firehawk G3

A question for joerod: Is there any reason to believe the Sony 790 BD player does not have the same hardware decoding errors that the previous generations (i.e., x70 and x80 series) of Sony standalone BD players have, as reported by Secrets (HERE - HERE and HERE)? The decoding and HDMI level mapping errors with the Sony chipset used in their standalone Sony BD players can result in gamma issues among other things.

That is the 64,000 dollar question. So far I have not seen anything I don't like. And I have now had in about 20 different titles. With the 4K scaling engine being added I would have to think it is different then the other gens. It is definitely different then my 780 (last year's) which I have here.

My Review is done. I can't post a link to it without getting into trouble. You can access it by clicking uder my name to the left then on my HOMEPAGE. The 790 is down just a little on the right side of the page.

Joe its more the run of cable, just plain awkward at the moment for even the basic HDMI single run. I get Audioquest at a v good price anyway, so that's right, it's not really a $$ issue at all. The difficultly is the run itself. Let's say this, a portion sneaks under a rug under my coffee table on top of my hardwood floors, that were cable routed to solely have an original thin run of speaker cable like over 10 years ago into each corner (with no ability to shift even them, they managed to fix them in place somehow), and no extra space setup by the clever floating floor installers to allow further runs or even swap outs, despite my endeavors to want to HT future proof it, let alone had considered a proj as the display source way back in '99. These are floating wooden floors before anyone say just go underneath the floor- its pure 10" concrete underneath with no access (it it were my weekender, I can rewire everything pretty much myself both under and inside that room), then the downstairs floor. Even In the other property I first used projectors in, that place was easy to swap out HDMI to the projector, you could get into the walls easily and snake through HDMI. I also have a thin piece of square conduit that runs the cable as inconspicuously as can be in a in the a handily placed corner behind my proj. Perhaps this pic will give you a clearer idea. My setup really relies on the single output run. At best at the moment I could see somewhat clunkily adding a output stage switcher like I ran years ago to get around it for now with my HTPC. When you say future dual HDMI, why would that be required to run 4K if it's already running in the current HDMI 1.4a spec? Also, your not saying the proj is going to mux together to HDMI's if it was dual inputted are you? I can't see how VW1000 can do it currently- are you expecting this to happen with a future new input board being released?

I am only saying on the onset most likely 4K Blu ray players will need to be dual HDMI. I don't know of any Receiver or video processor that can pass 4K. Sure they will surface but not sure how long that will take. Splitters the same.

I am going to test the splitter scenario this week with a newer model Aten HDMI VS482 which also dual outputs. I did a quick test with a passive 2 way yesterday and it nearly works, but it weakens the HDMI signal too much to keep the 4K graphics card output stable for more than a few secs. I need a solution to get the HTPC 4K working so I might as well give it shot. Guess we'll see with the true 4K players what output is. I'm curious to see how the VW1000 would handle such a scenario, that is unless the dual HDMI set up was going to be aimed at separating the video from the audio outputs? But that sounds a little odd to me.

Any speculation, Joe, on when 4KBD's will be available, and a 4KBD player for them?

Late 2012, early 2013 is what I've been hearing.

Some Sony execs said that this summer's Amazing Spiderman would be the first movie released in 4K. We'll see

I think in the second half of this year, when we get a new HDMI version, things will start to come together.

OK, thanks much; this is exciting. I will certainly hold off on a new BD player until this comes about. Maybe we'll hear about this at CEDIA this Sept.

I was told most likely 2013. Would love it if they made it this year of course.

After so far and so many amazing technology advances in the display (resolution) devices technology.
I am wondering how much they do developments into the Image Capturing Movie Camera.

And the Myths: The copy is never as good as the original (image).

I'd definitely say the second half of the estimate is probably the most realistic. I'd be shocked if 4K Blu-Ray came out this year.

It's not just the technology, but also customer awareness. You need to factor in marketing time as well.

Yep, can't sell 4K blu ray disc when no one is buying 4K TVs or 4K blu ray players.