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post #2821 of 4370
7/1/12 at 6:47am
I currently own, and am still in love with, a Marantz VP15s1 single chip DLP. However, I am concerned with the demise of the Marantz projector manufacture and future support. I am considering selling my Marantz due to availability of service and or replacement lamps. Besides that I have no desire to upgrade.

I am wondering how the vw1000 would compare to my VP15s1. Would the sharpness and jawdropping image of the Marantz be lost moving to the vw1000? I realize the brightness may be an improvement, but, my room is completely light controlled with dark walls and a black ceiling.

I am trying to decide if I should keep my Marantz and take my chances or move on to a model with factory support. I have always like Sony since my first projector which was the Ruby vw100.
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post #2822 of 4370
7/1/12 at 7:20am
Its the otherway around. The Sony's sharpness and image is jaw breaking compared to the Marantz and other similar projectors. The picture from the Sony is that good. It isn't cheap but give us a call. I bought one myself and my wife urged me to do so after seeing how much better it was from all the previous and current projectors we had or have.
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post #2823 of 4370
7/1/12 at 9:45am
Mark is correct. I replaced my Marantz 11S2 with the Sony and there is no contest here.
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post #2824 of 4370
7/1/12 at 6:41pm
Finally got my HTPC fired up over the weekend. What a convoluted process in itself. Turns out the system needed a special bios update only possible via it's UEFI command line, not DOS, to update the bios to handle the specific models of the Sandy Bride-E processors I was using. Once done it finally allowed the system to boot Windows.

So last night I had a look at the Timescapes 4K film.The first thing I noticed was that the USB connector on the stick was slightly bent out of shape and wouldn't insert initially. Another benefit it seems of the 'first class' shipping of the stick itself. So I carefully repaired it and thankfully the stick worked. Anyway, once I finally got it going and after previewing it briefly at 1080p and was able to note as I suspected the film itself as the title suggests, is akin to one of those nature landscape Blurays set to music (yawn!). So therefore I didn't worry about setting up a sep audio output from the PC to hear any more of the soundtrack. I viewed about 10 mins of it across several scenes. What I did pick up on some of the sky scenes with sunset colour graduations in the sky or on clouds, was compression banding from the Mpeg4 encoding. Overall, I didn't feel that blown away watching it in native 4K over testing the 4K file in 1080p. I certainly won't be paying a hundred bucks like that again, esp for something akin to a 4K version of 'HD Moods' or 'Living Landscapes'. What's next 4K HD Fireplace rolleyes.gif! Guess I'll go back to patiently waiting like the rest of us for some actual 4K entertainment to arrive.

If anyone is interested in buying my USB of Timescapes, PM me and I'll be happy to pass it on and recover some of what it cost.
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post #2825 of 4370
7/2/12 at 10:19am
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Finally got my HTPC fired up over the weekend. What a convoluted process in itself. Turns out the system needed a special bios update only possible via it's UEFI command line, not DOS, to update the bios to handle the specific models of the Sandy Bride-E processors I was using. Once done it finally allowed the system to boot Windows.
So last night I had a look at the Timescapes 4K film.The first thing I noticed was that the USB connector on the stick was slightly bent out of shape and wouldn't insert initially. Another benefit it seems of the 'first class' shipping of the stick itself. So I carefully repaired it and thankfully the stick worked. Anyway, once I finally got it going and after previewing it briefly at 1080p and was able to note as I suspected the film itself as the title suggests, is akin to one of those nature landscape Blurays set to music (yawn!). So therefore I didn't worry about setting up a sep audio output from the PC to hear any more of the soundtrack. I viewed about 10 mins of it across several scenes. What I did pick up on some of the sky scenes with sunset colour graduations in the sky or on clouds, was compression banding from the Mpeg4 encoding. Overall, I didn't feel that blown away watching it in native 4K over testing the 4K file in 1080p. I certainly won't be paying a hundred bucks like that again, esp for something akin to a 4K version of 'HD Moods' or 'Living Landscapes'. What's next 4K HD Fireplace rolleyes.gif! Guess I'll go back to patiently waiting like the rest of us for some actual 4K entertainment to arrive.
If anyone is interested in buying my USB of Timescapes, PM me and I'll be happy to pass it on and recover some of what it cost.

Glad I decided against doing a htpc so I can try it. Thanks for taking the time to tell us about it. smile.gif
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post #2826 of 4370
7/2/12 at 12:25pm
Thanks for the report on the film.

Do you know how the vertical resolution difference is handled?
Afaik the film is 2304 pixels vertical and the pj only handles 2160 vertical. Does it just drop the extra pixel lines of could it be that your pc tries to squeeze it vertically and introduces the banding? Just curious.
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post #2827 of 4370
7/2/12 at 5:10pm
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Thanks for the report on the film.
Do you know how the vertical resolution difference is handled?
Afaik the film is 2304 pixels vertical and the pj only handles 2160 vertical. Does it just drop the extra pixel lines of could it be that your pc tries to squeeze it vertically and introduces the banding? Just curious.

I was running 3860 x 2160 mode out the PC. I kind of doubt it's an PC induced effect. It doesn't come up as a distinctly hard band as such that would give that kind of appearance. I should have been more accurate in my description and say it's more of a colour dithering effect in a single part of the picture- pink sunset skies and pink sunset cloud formations. It is the same sort of effect I've noticed in some 1080p MKV files encodes in the same kinds of scenes, but significantly milder. It wasn't as bad as the worst colour graduation type dithering artifacts I'd seen by far, but it was in def present some of the sections I viewed nonetheless. I may have another look via a more basic media player on PC to ensure there was nothing interacting with my usage of directshow filters out of MPC-HC. With that said noting the Film itself has a 31gig file size, there is going to be a factor of compression to get that much 4K to fit in that space, even if using the most efficient MP4 encoding available.
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post #2828 of 4370
7/3/12 at 12:16am
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Originally Posted by jdlynch View Post

I currently own, and am still in love with, a Marantz VP15s1 single chip DLP. However, I am concerned with the demise of the Marantz projector manufacture and future support. I am considering selling my Marantz due to availability of service and or replacement lamps. Besides that I have no desire to upgrade.
I am wondering how the vw1000 would compare to my VP15s1. Would the sharpness and jawdropping image of the Marantz be lost moving to the vw1000? I realize the brightness may be an improvement, but, my room is completely light controlled with dark walls and a black ceiling.
I am trying to decide if I should keep my Marantz and take my chances or move on to a model with factory support. I have always like Sony since my first projector which was the Ruby vw100.

I would personally look at the VW1000ES before purchasing it as you are coming from a DLP which has a look that once you are used to is hard to change from. Art had a VW1000 in his theater and loved it until he realised it was missing the image depth and POP that his Sim2 Lumis (or 5000?) gives him. I to own a Marantz VP-15S1 and am still looking for an upgrade path. Hopefully Texas Instruments releases a consumer 4k DLP soon....
Edited by Spizz - 7/3/12 at 3:47am
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post #2829 of 4370
7/3/12 at 12:27am
So is there any options to play 4k material beside an HTPC with the proper graphic card, I want to get the 4k edition of timescapes and looking at some options to play it, did anyone tried the Sony S-790, I know it upscales and outputs 4k but will it play a 4k file? Any other player?
Edited by cR4p - 7/3/12 at 1:05am
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post #2830 of 4370
7/3/12 at 8:44am
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I would personally look at the VW1000ES before purchasing it as you are coming from a DLP which has a look that once you are used to is hard to change from. Art had a VW1000 in his theater and loved it until he realised it was missing the image depth and POP that his Sim2 Lumis (or 5000?) gives him. I to own a Marantz VP-15S1 and am still looking for an upgrade path. Hopefully Texas Instruments releases a consumer 4k DLP soon....

Here is Art's original impression earlier in this thread.

"My point is that I'm convinced that the information displayed on the Sony 4K unit shows more detail than my HD DLP. Grain structure appears more natural textures are unencumbered by the pixel edges etc.
Whether this appears to be mathmatically possible I'd have find a reason it looks so much sharper. Perhaps literally the pixel visibilty itself is the culprit but I've never experienced an iimage this detailed in moving images period.
I can't use the projector myself so I'm sticking with my HT5000 due to light output but otherwise the Sony is superior IMO.
art"

Later he was able to A:B the projectors and he decided that he liked the HT5000(>$60K) better. I've A:B compared my Marantz 11s2 and my Sony and as I said, between these projectors the Sony is the clear winner. I've always liked DLPs better and yet I prefer the Sony
by a large margin. I think someone came up with around 600:1 Ansi CR for the Marantz and I've also read that the Sony is over 500:1 which is not too much different. The Sony probably doesn't have the Pop of the 3 chip HT5000 or even the Sim2 Lumis, but it is pretty good.
Check out some of Wolfgang's posts back when this projector was first released. He compared the Sony to some of the best(at any price) 3 chip DLPs and preferred the Sony except for very large screens(over 12 to 14 ft).

If you get a chance try to see the Sony for yourself and decide.
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post #2831 of 4370
7/3/12 at 1:03pm
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I have the sony emitter that isnt working so will wait to see if it works when get the replacement unit before switching to monsters since I know sony has kids glasses.
Sorry for the confusion.

Do you have the emitter plugged in, before powering up the projector?
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post #2832 of 4370
7/3/12 at 1:27pm
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So is there any options to play 4k material beside an HTPC with the proper graphic card, I want to get the 4k edition of timescapes and looking at some options to play it, did anyone tried the Sony S-790, I know it upscales and outputs 4k but will it play a 4k file? Any other player?

Not sure what else there would be, no console or Apple TV-type device is going to touch 4K yet.
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post #2833 of 4370
7/3/12 at 1:53pm
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Here is Art's original impression earlier in this thread

And here are his updated thoughts-
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Looked at the 1000 A/B to the 5000. There is no comparison IMO the SIM throws a much better picture from every perspective except pixel visibility from extremely close seating and full black out. The SIM has more light, better color,much much more dimensional image reproduction in any sort of mixed material.


I was considering a switch based on specs but it was a very very easy decision to stay with the SIM when looking at video.


Art

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I've A:B compared my Marantz 11s2 and my Sony and as I said, between these projectors the Sony is the clear winner. I've always liked DLPs better and yet I prefer the Sony
by a large margin.

That's promising to read in comparison to the Marantz.
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If you get a chance try to see the Sony for yourself and decide.

Totally agree. See if for yourself then make a choice.
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post #2834 of 4370
7/3/12 at 9:19pm
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Do you have the emitter plugged in, before powering up the projector?

I think so but will try that before taking down the original just to be certain.

I thought I was an idiot about the focus ordeal but I have noticed that it is starting to get out of focus when switching between ratios. I was pretty certain that I saved it after all the zooming the first time but when it worked after resaving I blamed myself for being an idiot about it. But the other night when I thought something looked a tad off from the front row I checked the focus on 1.78 image and it was a little out of focus again. I think this is weird though since my #3 setting for scope is always correct. Seems like it would mess up on the other settings as well to me, but what do I know about the mechanics of the lens.
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post #2835 of 4370
7/3/12 at 11:04pm
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I would personally look at the VW1000ES before purchasing it as you are coming from a DLP which has a look that once you are used to is hard to change from. Art had a VW1000 in his theater and loved it until he realised it was missing the image depth and POP that his Sim2 Lumis (or 5000?) gives him. I to own a Marantz VP-15S1 and am still looking for an upgrade path. Hopefully Texas Instruments releases a consumer 4k DLP soon....

Image depth and pop. Holy moley, you should have been watching mine for Monday night football HD! Best experience I've had to date when it comes to POP and image depth. I felt like I could jump through the screen right into the game. Now that I've tweaked settings a bit further last week, I was truly gobsmacked by the image I was viewing. I could see the actual sheen on the material that the player jerseys were made out of on one of the sides.
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So is there any options to play 4k material beside an HTPC with the proper graphic card, I want to get the 4k edition of timescapes and looking at some options to play it, did anyone tried the Sony S-790, I know it upscales and outputs 4k but will it play a 4k file? Any other player?

If there was you'd have heard about it. HTPC is THE method right now. Nope the S-790 will certainly not decode a 4K mpeg4 file as nice as that would be. Don't get too excited by Timescapes, it will put you to sleep pretty quickly, unless you're a big fan those bluray music and scenery discs. Bring on 'Fireplaces 4K special edition' wink.gif (adds Homer Simpson response, oooooh soooo warming) he he.
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post #2836 of 4370
7/4/12 at 1:47am
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Image depth and pop. Holy moley, you should have been watching mine for Monday night football HD! Best experience I've had to date when it comes to POP and image depth. I felt like I could jump through the screen right into the game. Now that I've tweaked settings a bit further last week, I was truly gobsmacked by the image I was viewing. I could see the actual sheen on the material that the player jerseys were made out of on one of the sides.
If there was you'd have heard about it. HTPC is THE method right now. Nope the S-790 will certainly not decode a 4K mpeg4 file as nice as that would be. Don't get too excited by Timescapes, it will put you to sleep pretty quickly, unless you're a big fan those bluray music and scenery discs. Bring on 'Fireplaces 4K special edition' wink.gif (adds Homer Simpson response, oooooh soooo warming) he he.

Yeah I figured the S-790 was a no go, it would have been nice though, I don't think I will upgrade my HTPC just for timescapes... would be nice to see what 4k looks like.
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post #2837 of 4370
7/4/12 at 2:58am
Getting ready for a Movie Marathon on the 1000. With Jaclyn on bed rest it is the perfect plan. Sony 1000 to the rescue. smile.gif
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7/4/12 at 10:01am
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And here are his updated thoughts-
That's promising to read in comparison to the Marantz.
Totally agree. See if for yourself then make a choice.

Art's opinion changed dramatically about the Sony from the time he first saw it until he got one in his theater and compared to his HT5000. It makes me think something was wrong with the Sony, perhaps in the setup or maybe the screen, I don't really know. Either that or he has no ability to judge a projector and they all look good until he does an A:B. I don't doubt the HT5000 has a better picture, especially on a screen the size of Art's.

I still have my Marantz with long and short throw lens along with the ISCO III and Cineslide. I have no desire to use it again unless my Sony breaks.smile.gif I don't even use the ISCO now. I admit that I almost bought a Lumis 3D Solo before I bought the Sony and I still wonder if I would like it better. If I could have done an A:B comparison with the Lumis before I purchased the Sony I may have bought the Lumis. I wonder if I had purchased a Lumis instead and then went to someone else's theater with the Sony, if I would have thought the Sony looked better?
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post #2839 of 4370
7/4/12 at 6:19pm
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Yeah I figured the S-790 was a no go, it would have been nice though, I don't think I will upgrade my HTPC just for timescapes... would be nice to see what 4k looks like.

Yeah def don't upgrade for 4K at this stage. I don't know when there might be any other real 4K content for PC, but I imagine it will be a while.
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post #2840 of 4370
7/5/12 at 6:25am
I have a customer building a house right now who is getting a Solo for his main theater and Sony 1000ES for his bedroom.. So a direct A/B should be possible around New Years for me although the screens will be different.
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post #2841 of 4370
7/5/12 at 9:31am
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Yeah def don't upgrade for 4K at this stage. I don't know when there might be any other real 4K content for PC, but I imagine it will be a while.

Ok, but what is stopping you from running PC apps (gaming, etc) at 4K. Of course there isn't going to be any decent amount of video content marketed to 4k users, but that doesn't stop you from running all the other stuff on a HTPC that can benefit from the increased resolution. That might be enough reason for some people.

Me, I will probably try to put off my HTPC upgrade, but the thing is already almost 4 years old (and when I do an HTPC I build it for gaming, so not a true HTPC build in the normal sense of the word).

Are we still AMD only for 4k? What about nVidia 3DTV Play? Pretty annoying they still haven't added the 1000ES to the supported list...

http://www.nvidia.com/object/3dtv-play-system-requirements.html
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post #2842 of 4370
7/5/12 at 1:44pm
Intel's Ivy Bridge is supposed to do 4k. Curious if anyone is running SB and can report on 4k performance (although I know testing is limited).
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post #2843 of 4370
7/5/12 at 5:21pm
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Ok, but what is stopping you from running PC apps (gaming, etc) at 4K. Of course there isn't going to be any decent amount of video content marketed to 4k users, but that doesn't stop you from running all the other stuff on a HTPC that can benefit from the increased resolution. That might be enough reason for some people.
Me, I will probably try to put off my HTPC upgrade, but the thing is already almost 4 years old (and when I do an HTPC I build it for gaming, so not a true HTPC build in the normal sense of the word).
Are we still AMD only for 4k? What about nVidia 3DTV Play? Pretty annoying they still haven't added the 1000ES to the supported list...
http://www.nvidia.com/object/3dtv-play-system-requirements.html

What is the def of HTPC as we know it. It's video playback essentially right? Sure a person could sit in their HT area and do any number of PC app, from web browsing to photo viewing. However, gaming adds a steep performance challenge with the first gen 4K GPUs. I've got a dedicated 2560 x 1600 rez HQ gaming rig that used to sport 2 x GTX570's in SLI, and now a single GTX 680 on a HP 30" monitor. Pushing to do gaming at 4K on VW1000 via PC at the moment is a really a big reach. It's only in the last 12 months I've can really say I've had the ability to truly enjoy highly detailed FPS games at 2560x1600 and enjoy the benefits of things like FSAA modes,etc, that can be quite easily used at rez like 1080p. Right now AMD is the only chipset doing 4K, however Nvidia can't be that far off. In my own experience with running 1080p gaming in an HT environment back when I finally had a card that suited it, it found myself trying to replicate what I could so much more comfortably do positioned in front of a PC desktop with a 30" screen, rather than leaning over a coffee table with a wireless keyboard and mouse to try and achieve a successful HT gaming compromise. I'm also yet to say there's any PC game (and I've had a good go at it) in my top favs thats suited sitting back with a 360 controller to play instead of keyboard/mouse combo. I think at this rate there's even a chance a 4K successor to the PS3 could turn up to again fairly successfully negate the concept of 'HTPC' gaming. Right now, even 'stuck' at 720-1080p with the PS3, I'm quite at home playing, esp with the 3D titles, on my VW1000. I'm sure whenever next gen quad HD gaming turns up it will be a treat and something to look forward to.
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7/5/12 at 5:35pm
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Do you have the emitter plugged in, before powering up the projector?

Double checked last night and still no good. Its weird. I can clearly see the shutters like waving some times like really slowly. Then both go fully open at times.
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7/5/12 at 6:55pm
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Intel's Ivy Bridge is supposed to do 4k. Curious if anyone is running SB and can report on 4k performance (although I know testing is limited).

I think this quote from well known hardware site Anandtech will answer your question:
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Does this signify the end of the road for the discrete HTPC GPU? Unfortunately, that is not the case. The Ivy Bridge platform is indeed a HTPC dream come true, but it is not future proof. While Intel will end up pleasing a large HTPC audience with Ivy Bridge, there are still a number of areas which Intel seems to have overlooked:

Despite the rising popularity of 10-bit H.264 encodes, the GPU doesn't seem to support decoding them in hardware. That said, software decoding of 1080p 10-bit H.264 is not complex enough to overwhelm the i7-3770K (but, that may not be true for the lower end CPUs).
The video industry is pushing 4K and it makes more sense to a lot of people compared to the 3D push. 4K will see a much faster rate of adoption compared to 3D, but Ivy Bridge seems to have missed the boat here. AMD's Southern Islands as well as NVIDIA's Kepler GPUs support 4K output over HDMI, but none of the current motherboards for Ivy Bridge CPUs support 4K over HDMI.
It is not clear whether the Ivy Bridge GPU supports decode of 4K H.264 clips. With the current drivers and LAV Filter implementation, 4K clips were decoded in software mode. This could easily be fixed through a driver / software update. In any case, without the ability to drive a 4K display, the capability would be of limited use.

Discrete HTPC GPUs are necessary only if one has plans to upgrade to 4K in the near term. Otherwise, the Ivy Bridge platform has everything that a HTPC user would ever need.
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post #2846 of 4370
7/6/12 at 9:05am
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I have a customer building a house right now who is getting a Solo for his main theater and Sony 1000ES for his bedroom.. So a direct A/B should be possible around New Years for me although the screens will be different.

I'm hoping to have the opportunity for a direct head to head between an VW1000 and a 3-chip Runco in the near future. Same screen, etc. I will certainly post impressions if it happens.
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post #2847 of 4370
7/6/12 at 9:10am
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What is the def of HTPC as we know it. It's video playback essentially right? Sure a person could sit in their HT area and do any number of PC app, from web browsing to photo viewing. However, gaming adds a steep performance challenge with the first gen 4K GPUs. I've got a dedicated 2560 x 1600 rez HQ gaming rig that used to sport 2 x GTX570's in SLI, and now a single GTX 680 on a HP 30" monitor. Pushing to do gaming at 4K on VW1000 via PC at the moment is a really a big reach. It's only in the last 12 months I've can really say I've had the ability to truly enjoy highly detailed FPS games at 2560x1600 and enjoy the benefits of things like FSAA modes,etc, that can be quite easily used at rez like 1080p. Right now AMD is the only chipset doing 4K, however Nvidia can't be that far off. In my own experience with running 1080p gaming in an HT environment back when I finally had a card that suited it, it found myself trying to replicate what I could so much more comfortably do positioned in front of a PC desktop with a 30" screen, rather than leaning over a coffee table with a wireless keyboard and mouse to try and achieve a successful HT gaming compromise. I'm also yet to say there's any PC game (and I've had a good go at it) in my top favs thats suited sitting back with a 360 controller to play instead of keyboard/mouse combo. I think at this rate there's even a chance a 4K successor to the PS3 could turn up to again fairly successfully negate the concept of 'HTPC' gaming. Right now, even 'stuck' at 720-1080p with the PS3, I'm quite at home playing, esp with the 3D titles, on my VW1000. I'm sure whenever next gen quad HD gaming turns up it will be a treat and something to look forward to.

Not to turn this into a PC vs. console gaming debate, but there are plenty of good PC ports (Crysis 2 for example) that I prefer playing on a HTPC with a 360 gamepad vs. playing on console...there are plenty of good PC games that you can play with a gamepad that might not even be on console, not that having a keyboard and mouse is bad either.

HTPC does not necessarily equate to "sucks for gaming". You can do both. You can build the same rig for a desktop you can build for a HT. You don't even have to change the form factor if you have the room.
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7/6/12 at 3:20pm
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Double checked last night and still no good. Its weird. I can clearly see the shutters like waving some times like really slowly. Then both go fully open at times.

We will get you taken care of next week.
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7/6/12 at 6:49pm
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Not to turn this into a PC vs. console gaming debate, but there are plenty of good PC ports (Crysis 2 for example) that I prefer playing on a HTPC with a 360 gamepad vs. playing on console...there are plenty of good PC games that you can play with a gamepad that might not even be on console, not that having a keyboard and mouse is bad either.
HTPC does not necessarily equate to "sucks for gaming". You can do both. You can build the same rig for a desktop you can build for a HT. You don't even have to change the form factor if you have the room.

What adapter do you need to use the 360 controller on a PC?
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7/7/12 at 12:07am
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We will get you taken care of next week.

Yeah, Just posting my trouble shooting for anyone else in the future.

No hurry Mike, you've done your part and am sorry it has always been something. I'm convinced our house is cursed! So much so that my wife who is far from superstitious has quit commenting when I bring it up each time something crazy happens. Its so fequent every since moving into this house(short sell/bank foreclosure). I even posted a list of things in my build thread that I have gotten in the past few months that had to be returned or were faulty. Then all the unexplained occurances around the house just make me think it even more.
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