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post #3151 of 4380
9/15/12 at 5:55am
Grifo. Is this a two part question based on your use of the word worth? smile.gif

1. Is the improvement caused bt the Darblet going into the Sony 1000ES worth it. Yes. I think. I use it and notice improvement though not as drastic as on a 1080p display. But noticeable and worth it to me.

2. Does the Darblet work with a Sony VPL-vw1000ES. Yes. See above. :)As long as its in a stream of 1080p 60 or lower resolution going into the Sony. It will not work on a resolution going into the Sony or anything else at 4HD or 4K or at any resolution higher than 1080p 60.
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post #3152 of 4380
9/15/12 at 6:11am
First answer is the one I was refering to.
Thank you:)
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post #3153 of 4380
9/16/12 at 7:22am
Another awesome day with the 1000 planned. Football then Boardwalk Empire! smile.gif
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post #3154 of 4380
9/16/12 at 4:25pm
we may will see soon a update about 4k 60p.

may not for the vw 1000 but lets see...companys are working on it.

i hear that there is may a software way to increase the 4k from 24p to 60p.

4k at 24p can be a rgb format so 4:4:4.

when you feed a blue ray its 4:2:0 if i am not 100% wrong.

now some comapnys think as the source will be anyway not 4:4:4 that the downgrade it to only 4:2:0
that for sampe bd output but than the can do 4k at 60p as 4:2:0 needs a lot less bandwith.

in the new audio vision magazine in germany is a article about that.

i think this if it happen at all it can be only a temporary solution and a possible 4k bd need 60p and at at least a bigger color space
and other improvements beside only 4 times the pixels.
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post #3155 of 4380
9/16/12 at 6:02pm
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Another awesome day with the 1000 planned. Football then Boardwalk Empire! smile.gif

I watched the pilot preview of JJ Abram new show, Revolution. Very promising show, quite enjoy the premise. Also, a great one to A/B test the Darbee with, made quite a noticeable improvement. Wish our Footy finals taking place over the next 2 weeks here were in HD, the FTA SD feed really takes the away from the enjoyment on the 1000.
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post #3156 of 4380
9/17/12 at 5:09am
Can anyone post a pic with the Darbee On 80% same as below?

Casino Royale start of chapter San Marco Square.

Sony VW-1000 all enhancements on (taken from Cine4home site) for a reference comparison.
Sony_VW1000_Preview_clip_image043.jpg
JVC X90 e-shift max Darbee 80% HDmode Screen 1.2 white 110 diag size picture.
JVC-X90-Darbee80.jpg
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post #3157 of 4380
9/17/12 at 6:02am
I could do it on the Sony 1000 if you want, but I can't post it until I finish shooting the roll I have in the camera, get it back from the developing lab, its slide film ASA 25, Kodachrome, scan it and somehow figure out how to post it.


Seriously, my Sony 1000ES on reference doesn't look anything like the first picture when set with most enhancements off but RC on at minimum resolution and 20% noise filering. Adding the darblet sharpens it somewhat.Enough to make it worth using the Darblet but not a hugh improvement. I don't have a JVC to compare.
Edited by AV Science Sales 4 - 9/17/12 at 7:40pm
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post #3158 of 4380
9/17/12 at 6:51am
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I could do it on the Sony 1000 if you want, but I can't post it until I finish shooting the roll I have in the camera, get it back from the developing lab, its slide film ASA 25, Kodachrome, scan it and somehow figure out how to post it.
Seriosly, my Sony 1000ES on reference doesn't look anything like the first picture when set with most enhancements off but RC on at minimum resolution and 20% noise filering. Adding the darblet sharpens it somewhat.Enough to make it worth using the Darblet but not a hugh improvement. I don't have a JVC to compare.

Had to double check i posted the correct pic - yep other pic in review is with enhancements off and looks blurry.
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post #3159 of 4380
9/18/12 at 3:47am
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Originally Posted by Kevin 3000 View Post

Can anyone post a pic with the Darbee On 80% same as below?
Casino Royale start of chapter San Marco Square.
Sony VW-1000 all enhancements on (taken from Cine4home site) for a reference comparison.
Sony_VW1000_Preview_clip_image043.jpg
JVC X90 e-shift max Darbee 80% HDmode Screen 1.2 white 110 diag size picture.
JVC-X90-Darbee80.jpg


Kevin3000/Hawk-eye

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If I should compare a ( your´s ? ) X90 and a 1000ES from a ( this ) screenshoot - which I never would , because there are much to much other factors involved - I would say:

1. turn down the MPC setting
2. turn down the sharpness control
3. turn down the color saturation a little
4. turn down the color temperature
or even better, get the X90 calibrated
5 turn down the Darbie

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because the picture looks very "digital/artificial" but again, it can just be my monitor;)

BTW, I have not seen a X90, but I have seen the X70 ( which is a lot like the X90 ) and it looked a lot better and more natural, then this picture suggest biggrin.gif
- I seen the 1000ES too and would pick that everytime over the X70/X90 - but again, thats just me wink.gif

dj
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post #3160 of 4380
9/18/12 at 5:24am
Upon a closer look those don't even look like the same exact screen shot. Are we being punked? Where's Ashton Kutchor? biggrin.gif
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post #3161 of 4380
9/18/12 at 5:54am
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because the picture looks very "digital/artificial" but again, it can just be my monitor;)
BTW, I have not seen a X90, but I have seen the X70 ( which is a lot like the X90 ) and it looked a lot better and more natural, then this picture suggest biggrin.gif
- I seen the 1000ES too and would pick that everytime over the X70/X90 - but again, thats just me wink.gif
dj

I suggest you read arts Projectorreviews for his Sony-1000/X70 differebces.

Holding my breath for someone to step up to the plate and show the Darbee differences in this thread.
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post #3162 of 4380
9/18/12 at 6:28am
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I suggest you read arts Projectorreviews for his Sony-1000/X70 differebces.
Holding my breath for someone to step up to the plate and show the Darbee differences in this thread.



Why ?, I have seen both my self - and I trust my own eyes smile.gif

But I think you miss the hole / important point:

So here it is:

You ( and everybody els ) can´t judging / assess a projectors picture quality from screenshoots, taken from everywhere on the internet etc.

I you want to find out, which projector you like "best" ( best fit your need ) then go out and see them by your self and then deside which you like / want.

I really dont understand your need to belittle others projector, then your own !? confused.gif
What do you want or you get out of it ?



Personally, I would love to own one off them ( there are both extreme good projectors IMO ), but for me it would be the 1000ES, who fits my needs "best" - your case can be different smile.gif

dj
Edited by d.j. - 9/18/12 at 8:08am
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post #3163 of 4380
9/18/12 at 7:12am
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Originally Posted by d.j. View Post

Why ?, I have seen both my self - and I trust my own eyes smile.gif
But I think you miss the hole / important point:

So here it is:
You ( and everybody els ) can´t judging / assess a projectors picture quality from screenshoots, taken from everywhere on the internet etc.
I you want to find out, which projector you like "best" ( best fit your need ) then go out and see them by your self and then deside which you like / want.
I really dont understand your need to belittle others projecto,r then your own !? confused.gif
What do you want or you get out of it ?
dj
Personally, I would love to own one off them ( there are both extreme good projectors IMO ), but for me it would be the 1000ES, who fits my needs "best" - your case can be different smile.gif
dj

Its more about the Darbee differences i am interested in and the only way to see the resolution/definition results is with pics taken by owners with a Darbee inline.

Unless you have any other idears?
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post #3164 of 4380
9/18/12 at 8:38am
I did a comparison with the 1000. smile.gif

http://hstrial-jrodriguez996.homestead.com/Darblet-Darbee-Vision-Review.html?_=1337122950922
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post #3165 of 4380
9/18/12 at 9:23am
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I did a comparison with the 1000. smile.gif
http://hstrial-jrodriguez996.homestead.com/Darblet-Darbee-Vision-Review.html?_=1337122950922

Thanks for link.
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post #3166 of 4380
9/18/12 at 11:03am
No problem. smile.gif
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post #3167 of 4380
9/18/12 at 5:42pm
Poor old Kevin 3000, having been banned by the moderators on avforums for constantly posting negative comments on the Sony thread- because he has never actually seen one in the flesh- he's back to his most exciting activity of convincing sony 4k owners that they should have purchased a jvc x90 like he has- based on stills of stills:eek:eek.gif its the same story on the avforums Darbee thread also..photographs of photographs being posted-madness!!

Ive owned a JVC rs20/750 combined with a Schneider reference anamorphic lens. Id choose the Sony every day of the week:cool:

Really hoping there will be some developments in native 4k disc storage next year..we're still not seeing what this machine can do unless you have a 4k gaming rig or are feeding it 4k stills:rolleyes:
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post #3168 of 4380
9/18/12 at 9:45pm
Original image captured direct from video via a PC and upscaled 200% to be comparable with 4k projector.
casinornormalcrop3.jpg

Same image with high quality natural sharpening applied during real time playback on PC (JVC and Sony can and should look like this)
casinorsharpenedcrop2.jpg


Sony VW-1000 all enhancements on (taken from Cine4home site) for a reference comparison.
Sony_VW1000_Preview_clip_image043.jpg

JVC X90 e-shift max Darbee 80% HDmode Screen 1.2 white 110 diag size picture.
JVC-X90-Darbee80.jpg[/quote]


The Darbee at 80% combined with E-Shift sharpening on max looks horrible IMHO, the JVC with correct setup and pre processing looks like the second image from top, natural and not over sharpened.
Edited by Owen - 9/18/12 at 10:30pm
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post #3169 of 4380
9/20/12 at 3:32am
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Wonder how Bait will be? eek.gif

Just finished watching Bait... The 3D was pretty decent, though many of the 3D scenes took place underwater with VERY dim lighting. It really stretched the brightness for my screen size and I wouldn't recommend it if you don't have the lumens to spare.

In 2D, the movie can look a little strange at times. Occasionally, the actors seemed to "pop" off the screen too much (especially in the first fifteen minutes) like they were on a completely different plane than their environment. It's almost as if it's attempting to do 3D in 2D, but I have a hunch it's just crappy green screen.

The movie itself wasn't half-bad either. If you go into it with reasonable expectations, it's a good waste of an hour and a half. Totally forgettable but fun. And it looks like Citizen Kane compared to Piranha 3DD.
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post #3170 of 4380
9/20/12 at 5:33am
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Just finished watching Bait... The 3D was pretty decent, though many of the 3D scenes took place underwater with VERY dim lighting. It really stretched the brightness for my screen size and I wouldn't recommend it if you don't have the lumens to spare.
In 2D, the movie can look a little strange at times. Occasionally, the actors seemed to "pop" off the screen too much (especially in the first fifteen minutes) like they were on a completely different plane than their environment. It's almost as if it's attempting to do 3D in 2D, but I have a hunch it's just crappy green screen.
The movie itself wasn't half-bad either. If you go into it with reasonable expectations, it's a good waste of an hour and a half. Totally forgettable but fun. And it looks like Citizen Kane compared to Piranha 3DD.

I was just going to post about the same exact findings! smile.gif

Not a bad movie and some pretty cool Shark Deaths in 3D. eek.gif
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post #3171 of 4380
9/20/12 at 5:36pm
Anyone going to get the new Oppo 103 to pair up with their 1000?
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post #3172 of 4380
9/20/12 at 5:42pm
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Anyone going to get the new Oppo 103 to pair up with their 1000?

Of course smile.gif
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post #3173 of 4380
9/20/12 at 5:50pm
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Of course smile.gif

I tried to go through the oppo thread but its already crazy long and people are talking about some crazy things. So, 4k upscaling is the difference, and netflix with 5.1 surround as compared to the 93? What else?

Sorry if this is off topic, but since we all have the same projector I figure we're looking for the same things in a player so I thought I could get the most useful info here. Thanks again!

P.S. Of course Tony is getting it!
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post #3174 of 4380
9/20/12 at 6:05pm
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Anyone going to get the new Oppo 103 to pair up with their 1000?


The question, of course, is whether having the Oppo upconvert a 1080p BD and output 4K to the Sony 1000, or having the BD player output 1080p to the Sony and let it do the upconversion and display as 4K.     With the Sony 790 BD player, which can upconvert and output 4K, it has been claimed by most reports I've seen that it is better to let the Sony1000 do the upconversion.     Oppo is 'notoriously' competent, though, so maybe it does a better job.    Will be interesting to hear what the videophiles report when the Oppo is out.

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post #3175 of 4380
9/20/12 at 8:09pm
I will have a full Review out soon. smile.gif
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post #3176 of 4380
9/21/12 at 5:03am
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I tried to go through the oppo thread but its already crazy long and people are talking about some crazy things.

biggrin.gif That's true, the Oppo thread have become very technical

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I will have a full Review out soon. smile.gif

Do you have the player in ypur hand ?
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post #3177 of 4380
9/21/12 at 6:54am
There is going to have to be some pretty extensive user experience improvements for me to consider it. Especially since I just got my 93 a few months ago and these are priced much higher than most BD players. Will also be interested to hear how other 1000ES owners justify it. I have other devices for Netflix playback so that isn't critical.
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post #3178 of 4380
9/21/12 at 4:31pm
Doesnt sound like it adds much. Ill keep my two never to be firmware updated Oppo 93s playing ISO files, thank you very much. smile.gif
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post #3179 of 4380
9/27/12 at 6:20pm

I think I've seen somewhere in the discussions here that Sony will be able to upgrade the 1000ES (for a cost) to accept 4K at 60 hz (when this becomes available).    Do any any of you 'in the know' know whether or not it would be possible to upgrade it (at a cost)  to accept 4K at 120?     From what I've been reading in the '4K, 8K' thread, 4K at 120 would just about be the end of the rainbow for any home theater situation, even for persons wishing to sit VERY close to a large screen (as close as 1 pic height).    

 

Do you think this is technically feasible, and within Sony's business model?     I.e., they may not want to make upgrade of the 1000, just making people of interest buy the next model.

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post #3180 of 4380
9/28/12 at 8:14am
My understanding is Sony will support whatever the updated HDMI spec is.
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