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post #331 of 9675
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Originally Posted by Randall Morton View Post

Copied from other thread: " A site say the measurement for it should be : 64 cm x 52 cm x 20 cm"

25 inches x 20 inches x 8 for the Sony vs.
5.4" H x 15.9" W x 18.6" D for my Marantz

Sounds big to me.

The new JVC's are 18.5x18x7 (and 30 lbs), not that much smaller than the Sony1000.
post #332 of 9675
The Qualia is actually larger. I guess it isn't so big but it will be obvious compared to my Marantz. I just like to keep things the same size so as not to make waves.
post #333 of 9675
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Originally Posted by Randall Morton View Post

Copied from other thread: " A site say the measurement for it should be : 64 cm x 52 cm x 20 cm"

25 inches x 20 inches x 8 for the Sony vs.
5.4" H x 15.9" W x 18.6" D for my Marantz

Sounds big to me.

Good Info!

Does anyone know if the VPL-VW1000ES has lens memory to easily switch between pre-sets for different aspect ratios? I'm thinking the 1000's combination of resolution and brightness will produce a sweet zoomed 2.35:1 image.
post #334 of 9675
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Originally Posted by DigsMovies View Post

Good Info!

Does anyone know if the VPL-VW1000ES has lens memory to easily switch between pre-sets for different aspect ratios? I'm thinking the 1000's combination of resolution and brightness will produce a sweet zoomed 2.35:1 image.

Yes. Some of the literature about the 1000 emphasizes this and touts the advantage of using the 'zoom method' to do 2.35, rather than using an anamorphic lens.

PS Sony calls this 'picture position memory', of which there are several, for 16x9, 2.35, etc.
post #335 of 9675
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

Yes, agree; twice the brightness (at least the spec) as the 95, and also much higher CR. The 95 and 1000 are spec'ed at 150K:1 and 1M:1 'dynamic contrast', respectively, i.e., with a DI. The native CR of the 95 is reported to be ~ 20K to 30K:1, so if this same ratio applied to the 1000, it would have a native CR of ~ 120K to 200K:1, right where the best of the JVC RS's are.

I wouldn't expect the same ratio. I of course haven't measured one and couldn't get an answer for the native CR, but expect that the native CR will be somewhat better that the 95, but the iris multiplier will be higher for the spec case also (keeping in mind that the multiplier can be lower in best picture modes). Just a guess on my part, but I would guess something like 30k:1 to 40k:1 native. I hope I am wrong and it is much better though.

--Darin
post #336 of 9675
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Originally Posted by darinp2 View Post

I wouldn't expect the same ratio. I of course haven't measured one and couldn't get an answer for the native CR, but expect that the native CR will be somewhat better that the 95, but the iris multiplier will be higher for the spec case also (keeping in mind that the multiplier can be lower in best picture modes). Just a guess on my part, but I would guess something like 30k:1 to 40k:1 native. I hope I am wrong and it is much better though.

--Darin

I'm sure your guess is much more reliable than mine, Darin, though with the size of the 'box' it seems there might be a chance they could cut down on internal light scatter better. Hope I'm closer than you on the outcome this time (not a good bet!)--it would be a first!
post #337 of 9675
I wonder if light scatter in the optical engine including lens has any relationship to case size? I would think that a bigger lens might have a lower amount of light scatter but I think it is more a function of the chips and perhaps some depolarization of the beam after round trip passage through the chip. Just thinking out loud.
post #338 of 9675
Is there a relation to lens size and light scatter? CRT lenses are huge in comparison and seem to still have light scatter. I would think it has more to do with the design of the lens especially the first element.
post #339 of 9675
It has always been an issue as to what it native on/off. Of the chip(s), the light engine without the lens, or the chips, light engine and lens as a whole? I think it has more to do with the chips and how light exits the chips rather than the nauture of the first lens element. The differences in on off we see and even ANSI CR I don't think depend on the specifics of the first lens element or even overall lens performance. But I don't really know.
post #340 of 9675
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

Yes. Some of the literature about the 1000 emphasizes this and touts the advantage of using the 'zoom method' to do 2.35, rather than using an anamorphic lens.

PS Sony calls this 'picture position memory', of which there are several, for 16x9, 2.35, etc.

Good news! This feature was listed on a Sony site as available on the VPL-VW95ES, but there was no mention of it in the features of the VPL-VW1000ES. I'll be glad when the final and complete specs are out for the 1000. I found confirmation of this feature in a Sony press release. Here is a quote from it:

"For greater versatility, it has a built-in transmitter, it has picture position memory which memorizes the position of the zoom lens, and it supports 2D and 3D anamorphic films."

I'm not finding projectors on Sony's U.S. sites? I've found a lot more info elsewhere- strange.....

-Digs
post #341 of 9675
Yes, it would be good to have more info about the 1000. I don't think it will appear on the Sony website, though, until it is deliverable, and I'm getting the feeling that this may not be until March or April. I think the prototype shown at CEDIA was a very early thing, not ready for prime time. However I do think that Sony will get it right, esp since this will be their flagship for several years.

PS Here is something from Sony: https://dealersource.sel.sony.com/ds...rojectors.html
post #342 of 9675
Just saw a post by Phil Hinton in AVForums about a public showing of the 1000ES in London, Nov 28. http://www.avforums.com/forums/proje...-showcase.html

Hope we learn something more about it.

AND, what about the AVSForum; can't you guys arrange something similar?
post #343 of 9675
I'm surprised we haven't heard any news from the UK viewing opportunity yet. Perhaps it's running long and everybody is still there!
post #344 of 9675
They prob forgot before it got too late over there today. I'd guess prob tomorrow we'll hear something hopefully...
post #345 of 9675
Some impressions have been posted in that thread.
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Video just posted from the event.
post #347 of 9675
3D or 4k? 4K!!!!
post #348 of 9675
Well, I'm on the waiting list for a VW1000. Yes, quite a splurge, but I'm reminded of W Mayer's translation of the Teutonic expression, "The last shirt has no pocket!" Hoping that it will have all the positive aspects of the VW95, plus the extras (twice the brightness, much higher CR, and the 4K upscaled pic and thus presumably increased sharpness). Hope Sony brings it off!
post #349 of 9675
Kind of a dissapointing video. Would you rather have 3D or 4K? Have you stopped beating your ___? Yes or no?

Who can watch upscaled 480i vs 1080p native? Pissed that they didn't show 480i upscaled to 4K? Come on. What would you rather have 480i upscaled to 4K, 1080p upscaled to 4k, or 4K native? Let's do a poll, put them in the order you would favor, most preferred to least. No more votes please. Results in. 4K first, 1080p second, 480 third. Who woulda thought?

Yea and please do me a demo from a decent but inexpensive 1080p projector to a prototype $4K flagship. Yup. Big difference. Uh. Could I see you best 1080p machine, the 95ES against the flagship instead so I can evaluate the differences. Thank you. How likely is it that one would choose between a 30 and a 1000? One might choose between a 95ES and a 1000ES, but even then but probably not considering about 3.5 times the cost.


Pretty much what they showed at Cedia. Different source material. A prototype 4K. Catch the coming in January at $18K pounds, equated to about $24K US after VAT deducted.

I am a big fan of the 1000ES. I would clearly buy it over the 95ES if I could afford it. Showing a 1080p source scaled to 4K. Cool and a better picture. But the 1000ES does some many other things better than the 95ES regardless of whether the 10000 were just a 1080p machine.

Oh well. Looks like within two months we will have a finalized 1000ES to put thru its paces and we will compare it to a 95ES.
post #350 of 9675
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 4 View Post

... Looks like within two months we will have a finalized 1000ES to put thru its paces and we will compare it to a 95ES.

Now THAT is what I'm looking forward to!
post #351 of 9675
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

Well, I'm on the waiting list for a VW1000. Yes, quite a splurge, but I'm reminded of W Mayer's translation of the Teutonic expression, "The last shirt has no pocket!" Hoping that it will have all the positive aspects of the VW95, plus the extras (twice the brightness, much higher CR, and the 4K upscaled pic and thus presumably increased sharpness). Hope Sony brings it off!

way to go Bill.
post #352 of 9675
So what is the ballpark price for this puppie?
post #353 of 9675
Sony has said under $25K MSRP. That was thought to be $24,995 at Cedia. We've also heard $25K plus or minus $1K. Puttting it in our member's new screen calculator, that would be $24,995 subject to obtaining better data. We have ordered 13 and will have a demo in Maryland.
post #354 of 9675
That video was pretty dissapointing. I'm also on the waiting list for the sony and listening to the new jvc 55 reports , it sounds like an impressive machine also but those extra sony lumens will sure come in handy.
post #355 of 9675
Yeah, the video was disappointing, pretty uninsightful. They basically said it's a 2K projector with a 4K chip, and I'm shocked no one asked if the damn thing will support a 4K signal (like from a PC output; if anything, it be great with high end PC games), or even if it will have 4K support with 3D. I bet most were impressed with the optics and additional brightness/contrast over the upscaling. It's clear it's built like a high end machine, and a very unfair comparison using a mid end projector like their 3D Sony VW30.
post #356 of 9675
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

Now THAT is what I'm looking forward to!

Are you going to demo before you buy?
post #357 of 9675
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 4 View Post

Kind of a dissapointing video. Would you rather have 3D or 4K? Have you stopped beating your ___? Yes or no?

Who can watch upscaled 480i vs 1080p native?

Yeah, that guy was a "please get off the camera" moment who complained about not seeing SD DVD images on the thing, claiming DVDs make up most people's collections.

...like people who are interested in the cutting edge, big buck, 4k mega resolution devices like the Sony are worried about their big old-tech DVD collection.

(Yes, I know even some AVSmembers still have varying numbers of DVDs still left in their collection, some people even still own a lot of them...but...still...)
post #358 of 9675
I'm interested in the projector too but I'll wait for some actual reviews of the production model before I get on a list.

We moved into a new house about a year ago and just yesterday I unpacked some of my old DVDs. I decided to play one in my new theater to see what it would look like and it really looked and sounded pretty good(Shakespeare in Love). I doubt the 4K scaling would help much.

In the VW1000 video everyone seemed to think the upscaled 4K looked sharper but I wonder if it really made much difference. I would be pleased with a much brighter Sony vw95 with good black levels. If it can deliver this it will probably be my next projector.
post #359 of 9675
Just received this and thought I would pass it along.


Hello Stew,

Apparently, Sony will not launch the VPL-VW1000ES in December as originally scheduled, but now the company plans to release this powerful 2D/3D, 4K projector in January. It will retail for about $28,000, though that number may vary depending on where you live and where you buy it.

The VPL-VW1000ES boasts a 1,000,000:1 contrast ratio, and it does an exceptional job at upscaling HD content to 4K resolution. Also, it's a head turner, featuring a design that complements a sleek home theater as opposed to cluttering it. Sounds delicious, indeed.

Have a nice day,

The Release Dates Team
post #360 of 9675
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Originally Posted by thestewman View Post

Just received this and thought I would pass it along.


Hello Stew,

Apparently, Sony will not launch the VPL-VW1000ES in December as originally scheduled, but now the company plans to release this powerful 2D/3D, 4K projector in January. It will retail for about $28,000, though that number may vary depending on where you live and where you buy it.

The VPL-VW1000ES boasts a 1,000,000:1 contrast ratio, and it does an exceptional job at upscaling HD content to 4K resolution. Also, it's a head turner, featuring a design that complements a sleek home theater as opposed to cluttering it. Sounds delicious, indeed.

Have a nice day,

The Release Dates Team

That was exactly what my local contact at Sony commercial division told me some weeks ago in an email, before I got my interim VW95. Scheduled VW1000 release is mid-late Jan. Pricing was not disclosed at that time. That's a crap retail they are quoting you, considering all the talk around of $15-20k. I know I won't be happy at that level. I hope my commercial price is much more doable than $28k.
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