Sony VPL-vw1000 - Page 112

I have went back and forth. Quite honestly I am not settled with that one yet. The Onkyo models (newer) have the HQV Vida 1900 chip which is the best in an AVR I have seen to date. In all fairness to the Oppo it could get a newer firmware that might push it even further. When I had the Edge and or a Duo the Onkyo's processing was better. It is the main reason why I have stuck with Onkyo the past couple years. I would love to experiment with the new Denon 4520 soon but I suspect the video processing might be the same as the 4311 and the Onkyo is better hands down. Of course I could send 1080i or 720p thru both and let the 1000 upscale. Hmmmm we have too many options these days.

I will experiment during tomorrow's game and post back.

"Of course I could send 1080i or 720p thru both and let the 1000 upscale."    I thought that this was always considered the best choice.  ?

I choose native out of my set top FIOS box. I of course have to know what the native is and then select that. either its 720p or 1080i. ilet the Lumagen change either to 1080p and then having no choice from there let the sony take the 1080p to 4HD. I know the lumagen scales bettter than the Sony. as far as deinterlacing 1080i to 1080P and then scaling, i admit I need to try it letting the Sony deinterlace from 1080i to 1080p instead of the Lumagen.

This is precisely what I do (except that it's Native out of a DirectTV receiver).

I think there is to much processing going on here and I know it is hard to avoid it. Probably better to send native to the Sony and let it do its thing. I agree the Lumagen is the best video processor, as well as having a great CMS. If only we had these choices back in the CRT days.

Lumagen should just ease all our pain here and release the 4k radiance!!!!!

My direct tv receivers all had native outs, I miss that because I have to switch the Fios box through the remote when switching natives.

It isn't close to ready yet. But by years end or so.

Really? I would call years end or early next year very soon! Awesome!

I would get FIOS if I could, but I am really enjoying DirectTV; with my large screen and the 1000, I notice a VERY significant increased PQ for HDTV over Comcast.    And yes, being able to set Native output is very nice.

 

PS    And how about those GIANTS!

That's because you sell them. Quite honestly VPs are fading out fast and besides folks here at avs most don't even know what they are. And I would take that challenge with a 1000 and my components. With the new 103 and Darblet most would choose them. I sure did! And it is Receivers like the 3010, 5010 and other newer models which are making them extinct.

The only reason I have a Radiance Mini is the Auto-calibration that is possible with ChromaPure.    Other than that, I more or less agree with you.

And the Mini is their best pricing VP they have. Dont blame you at all for having that one. The days of spending an arm and a leg for a VP are long gone. And if they plan to sell their new 4K VP for a lot then they should only plan to make about 10.

The problem with all this is the necessity to deinterlace and/or scale somewhere in the chain to 4HD or 4K. And to the best of my knowledge all scalers that can out put 4HD or 4K including the one built into the Sony VPL-vw1000ES ring. Noi matter what you do re scaling or deinterlacing elsewhere you have to get it to 4HD or 4K somewhere and you get ringing. Even Joerod can see it if he looks for it on his and my beloved Sony's.


Joerod. Since the new Oppo has one input for external sources, it now should not be described as a bluray player. It is now a limited input audio and video processor with a built in bluray drive. How good is that processing video wise? How full functioned is it. Yada yada. Guess you will be using an external processor or will you just cement a shorting plug into that input?

The Lumagen has the only scaling that doesn't ring but presently there is no Lumagen that will output higher than 2K. Thank god its coming.

Likewise the Sony has no CMS. The colors are on the Sony are close but they can be touched up if one has an external CMS. And not all CMS's are created equal. Wait till you see the one that's coming in the coming Lumagen. Right now I can automatically calibrate at 125 points over the specified Rec 709 color space.Hell. Even you could do it. What I mean by that, it takes no real skill or patience with the automatation, something that I don't possess with respect to calibration either.
Edited by mark haflich - 10/25/12 at 7:33am

Ok, joerod, you're worse than Don Trump on your "big announcement" on the new Oppo. Spill the beans.

Good one. And I don't think Oppo lets you do PiP or PoP either, which are great features especially for sports.
Edited by turls - 10/25/12 at 7:11am

To be fair Turls, neither does the Lumagen unless, as you have, one owns the XE model. But your point is well taken. For those who own an expensive projector it is nice not to be limited video processing wise to what's inside it. The Sony we (you, me, Joerod) all own is like any other video projector limited in its processing. not only is it limited, it is flawed (unlike Amy ) in certain areas. Ringing scaler, no CMS, no PIP etc. Given its Color accuracy, nothing really really no significant flaws here but still flaws. Those that know about external video processors and the coming new 4K Lumagen will quickly be able to eliminate those flaws.

Really looking forward to it, Mark; something else to spend $ on since I won't be buying a projector for a while!   (But I may need a new lamp soon as much as I use it.)

 

But I hope the '4K Radiance Mini' doesn't cost $10K !

No mini coming here. I know the MSRP of the new one and its quite a bit under $10K but it won't be cheap like the mini. Cheap is relative with the mini MSRPing for $1995.But there will be trade in programs and dealers discounting as well.

OK, so I've got some questions (possibly stupid ones because I haven't been paying attention)...

So when this Radiance 4K comes out, how do you handle 720p60 or 1080i60 (or 1080p60 or any >24p for that matter) when the Sony can only accept 4K at 24p (well according to the specs 30p tops). Would you scale 60p to 3840x2160p30 and drop half the frames? Or would you give up the great Lumagen scaling and only scale to 1080p60 and let the Sony scale to 2160p60?

The other things that have been running through my mind:
Would a Prismasonic HD5000 do more harm than good? Ie do you need a ISCO-class cylindrical?
Would an original batch SMX screen not have a fine enough structure?

Hopefully also a special 'early adopters' price, e.g., something like the Darblet did.

What about a trade-in program + dealer discounting? Wishful thinking, I suspect.

Mark

There will be a beta tester program and the rest is not wishful thinking. Just too early for any details and dealers will do what we do

I thought all the owners of the Sony VW1000 were already Beta testers for 4K... Hehe.

So I'm noticing some heavy grain on dark scenes. To the level of missing detail. Does not appear to be intentional for the films I tested. Any thoughts on a setting I should review that may have exaggerated that behavior or allow me to control it?

To the extent that one buys a projector right after its release, software changes often occur. Buy a 1000ES now and I don't foresee changes coming until there is a 4K 60 input added. Good questions Stanger. i need to think a bit on that. Not a problem with Bluray scaled through the Lumagen. As to 1080p 60 and 720p 60, I think one would get best results feeding out of the Lumagen at 1080p 60 and waiting to use the full scaling capacity of the Lumagen until Sony offers a 4K 60 input board. It will come. I just don't know when. The chips are available now.

Re an anmorphic lens with the Sony, i'd want to get a 4K rated lens and that's really expensive. The Sony has good lumens out for normal size large wide screens and I would just zoom. remember the chip is 1.89 to start with and as long as your active image is greater than 1.89 (or at least equal to that).ou can set the Sony to use the full chip width.

I would love to Beta Test 4K Blu ray (Ultra HD)...

My guess is that Sony will within a year or two come out with a 4K ray player, whatever it will be called, and be releasing 4HD content from its library. I doubt there will be a beta testing program.The Bluray consortium has under active discussion 4HD standards.