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post #3511 of 9746
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Originally Posted by BrianMundt View Post

Hey Mark, thanks for the help on this!
Here are the details:
SC ROM Version: SC1:01.05/SC2:01.02
NVM Version: 01/01.04
Sub Rom Version: 01.00
IP Rom Version: 01.02
DE Rom Version: 01.02

You have the latest chips. So I think your machine is defective.
post #3512 of 9746
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Originally Posted by OzHDHT View Post

Ha knew Joe would have to be first lol. Geez I just got my 103 haha.
I'm def interested to hear what Sony's quoted consumer 4K TV delivery platform will be and have asked contact at Sony to find out for me- hoping it's not going to as some of us fear, be tied into the 4K TV sets software exclusively. If the talk in the quoted info re a consumer aspect to Redray is correct, hope it can be made compatible, plus is not priced out of the ballpark for us 1000 owners. Anyway, I guess as according to the website the, 30th is when more details are released on the Redray system..

The player was rumored to be about $1K. with a built in server, i would expect a higher price. The cheapest stand alone 4K server is about $12K.

Re the sony 4K server platform and means of distribution of 4K content, I suspect the hardware side forced the sony studeo side to go along to spur its 4K panel sales. I hope the deal it made included us 1000ES owners but who knows. I doubt the Sony distribution deal would include new releases. The deal must have included a new release delay to consuner 4K display owners to not piss off the commercial theater owners. I doubt DCI sources would be included because the 1000ES machines can't presently handle that as in input.
post #3513 of 9746
Now that I have lived with the 1000 for about a month.... there is something that drives me nuts and am not sure if anyone has a solution. When watching cable via comcast, the 1000 constantly tries to adjust and zoom when I either switch channels between HD and SD or I go into On Demand. This not only seems to put uneeded strain on the zoom mechanism but there is a long pause for the projector to sync to the adjusted input signal. The cable box won't let me get into the primary setup either to check the settings. Anyone else have this problem?
post #3514 of 9746
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post


The player was rumored to be about $1K. with a built in server, i would expect a higher price. The cheapest stand alone 4K server is about $12K.
Re the sony 4K server platform and means of distribution of 4K content, I suspect the hardware side forced the sony studeo side to go along to spur its 4K panel sales. I hope the deal it made included us 1000ES owners but who knows. I doubt the Sony distribution deal would include new releases. The deal must have included a new release delay to consuner 4K display owners to not piss off the commercial theater owners. I doubt DCI sources would be included because the 1000ES machines can't presently handle that as in input.

Mark,  you mentioned something some weeks ago about Sony possibly offering an upgrade (for a cost, and hardware I believe) that would allow it to accept 4K input at 60p and not just 24p as now.    Do I recall this correctly, and if so, any info from your sources about its status?

post #3515 of 9746
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Originally Posted by scooter_29 View Post

Now that I have lived with the 1000 for about a month.... there is something that drives me nuts and am not sure if anyone has a solution. When watching cable via comcast, the 1000 constantly tries to adjust and zoom when I either switch channels between HD and SD or I go into On Demand. This not only seems to put uneeded strain on the zoom mechanism but there is a long pause for the projector to sync to the adjusted input signal. The cable box won't let me get into the primary setup either to check the settings. Anyone else have this problem?

I have DirectTV but what you are describing doesn't sound normal to me. My lens never moves unless I use the remote to adjust it. I do get a pause to sync when changing channels much the same as I do on my Sony TV.
post #3516 of 9746
I can only assume its the zoom... I hear a motor whirring inside and a 3-4 second pause. On Demand is in 4:3 for some oddball reason and the cable box seems to be sending the projector a different signal. I don't think we can compare DirectTV to Comcast as this seems related to the silly Comcast cable boxes.
post #3517 of 9746
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

Mark,  you mentioned something some weeks ago about Sony possibly offering an upgrade (for a cost, and hardware I believe) that would allow it to accept 4K input at 60p and not just 24p as now.    Do I recall this correctly, and if so, any info from your sources about its status?

No news about a 60 upgrade board. I suspect its a way off for a variety of reasons..
post #3518 of 9746
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Originally Posted by scooter_29 View Post

Now that I have lived with the 1000 for about a month.... there is something that drives me nuts and am not sure if anyone has a solution. When watching cable via comcast, the 1000 constantly tries to adjust and zoom when I either switch channels between HD and SD or I go into On Demand. This not only seems to put uneeded strain on the zoom mechanism but there is a long pause for the projector to sync to the adjusted input signal. The cable box won't let me get into the primary setup either to check the settings. Anyone else have this problem?

Obviously the Sony is responding to the IR commands you are sending your set top box. Try something. Operate the comcast box settings that are making your Sony respond but be sure those signals don't reach the Sony. You can shut off one of the two IR the Sony IR sensors on the Sony (a front one and a rear one) in the set up menu. You can turn both of them on but you must leave one on. Simply cover it up temporarily with a piece of masking the Sony is still picking up your IR commands to the set up box. Please post what happens.
post #3519 of 9746
Still does it:(. It has something to do with the hdmi signal that the cable box is putting out. Its like the projector is automatically syncing to the 4:3 signal and adjusting the picture.
post #3520 of 9746
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post


No news about a 60 upgrade board. I suspect its a way off for a variety of reasons..


Does 'a way off' mean infinity?

post #3521 of 9746
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Originally Posted by scooter_29 View Post

Still does it:(. It has something to do with the hdmi signal that the cable box is putting out. Its like the projector is automatically syncing to the 4:3 signal and adjusting the picture.

I tried changing the aspect ratio on my Lumsagen going to the Sony and it caused no change except as it should in the size of the lit image. I did not try changing input rosolutions but will do that.
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I just learned a bit more. I plugged the cable box in directly and eventually was able to get it into the setup menu. Sure enough, it was not setup to pass native. The projector stopped zooming when it hit an SD signal. I then plugged the cable box back into my Onkyo processor and it started doing it again. I tried telling the Onkyo to pass native only but it still causes the projector to zoom. I then told the Onkyo to upscale to 1080p and got the same result. It seems that the Onkyo is doing something odd.
post #3523 of 9746
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post


Does 'a way off' mean infinity?

As far as I know, they haven't even updated the HDMI spec yet, have they?
post #3524 of 9746
Professor Miller. Rather than calling the time frame infinity I would call it 0 divided by infinity which in mathematical theory as you know is undefined. smile.gif
Edited by mark haflich - 11/23/12 at 8:57pm
post #3525 of 9746
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Professor Miller. Rather than calling the time frame infinity I would call it 0 divided by infinity which in mathematical theory as you know is undefined. smile.gif


Just wondering if it's still on the menu, or something that one should forget about.

 

Probably closer to reality in the 4K Radiance.    Is it still on schedule for early next year?

post #3526 of 9746
The Sony update I assume will happen when it makes sense to do it. When high resolution consumer inputs become seattled, I think it will be done. I think we need to wait until we see the delivery method Sony with supply 4K flet panel buyers to see the 4K content that Sony will also give them.

I need to talk to Lumagen to get an update.
post #3527 of 9746
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Originally Posted by scooter_29 View Post

I just learned a bit more. I plugged the cable box in directly and eventually was able to get it into the setup menu. Sure enough, it was not setup to pass native. The projector stopped zooming when it hit an SD signal. I then plugged the cable box back into my Onkyo processor and it started doing it again. I tried telling the Onkyo to pass native only but it still causes the projector to zoom. I then told the Onkyo to upscale to 1080p and got the same result. It seems that the Onkyo is doing something odd.

You should go straight to the projector from the cable box and use optical audio output for sound.
post #3528 of 9746
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Originally Posted by KRGM1 View Post

You should go straight to the projector from the cable box and use optical audio output for sound.

And if you do not have a video processor with switching between the set top box and the projector, use a hdmi switcher if you need an input for say a bluray player. I have an old audio processor and I just send the audios in digitally by optical or coax (rca) and the switch audo there.
post #3529 of 9746
Does the VPL-vw1000es have a true anamorphic lens, or just the ability to zoom different screen sizes like the JVC RS55 ie: 16:9 to 2:35?
post #3530 of 9746
The Sony VPL-vw1000ES does not come with an anamorphic lens. It does have preset and user zoom functions as well as two built in anamorphic vertical streches if one chooses to employ an aftermorphic lens to do the horizontal portion of the anamorphic stretch. the lens on the Sony is a true 4K lens rated to fully resolve 4096 x 2160 pixels. The set can be set to operate using a 1.78 aspect utilizing 3940 x 2160 not lighting the additional horizontal pixels associated with 4096 instead of of 4096. The two vertical stretches are built in to utilize 3840 or 4096.. The panel is native 4096 x 2160 which is an aspect ratio of 1.888888 to infinity. re the 8s. Using an anamorphic, the lens should be a rated 4K anamorphic and these are very very expensive. Given the 8 million plus pixels there is little reason to use an anamorphic instead of using. A pauper could use a 2K rated anamorphic lens. I am joking about the pauper bit as a 2K rated anamorphic worthy of use with the 1000Es will cost betwen $3K and $8K. A 4K rated anamorphic would be over $20K.
post #3531 of 9746
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

The Sony VPL-vw1000ES does not come with an anamorphic lens. It does have preset and user zoom functions as well as two built in anamorphic vertical streches if one chooses to employ an aftermorphic lens to do the horizontal portion of the anamorphic stretch. the lens on the Sony is a true 4K lens rated to fully resolve 4096 x 2160 pixels. The set can be set to operate using a 1.78 aspect utilizing 3940 x 2160 not lighting the additional horizontal pixels associated with 4096 instead of of 4096. The two vertical stretches are built in to utilize 3840 or 4096.. The panel is native 4096 x 2160 which is an aspect ratio of 1.888888 to infinity. re the 8s. Using an anamorphic, the lens should be a rated 4K anamorphic and these are very very expensive. Given the 8 million plus pixels there is little reason to use an anamorphic instead of using. A pauper could use a 2K rated anamorphic lens. I am joking about the pauper bit as a 2K rated anamorphic worthy of use with the 1000Es will cost betwen $3K and $8K. A 4K rated anamorphic would be over $20K.

Thanks Mark, I'd like to get a bigger 2:35 screen for my RS55 which, although not true 4K, has the similar zoom functions as the Sony, but I don't want to spend $ for an anamorphic lens. I'm concerned without an a-lens, the image may not be as sharp.
post #3532 of 9746
I am considering a new CIA (Constant Image Area) screen for the VW1000, but I am not sure about the best aspect ratio. With the motorized zoom on the 1000 is should be easy to switch between different screen sizes. What do you guys think about CIA for the VW1000 and what aspect ratio would you choose?
post #3533 of 9746
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Originally Posted by NORLL View Post

I am considering a new CIA (Constant Image Area) screen for the VW1000, but I am not sure about the best aspect ratio. With the motorized zoom on the 1000 is should be easy to switch between different screen sizes. What do you guys think about CIA for the VW1000 and what aspect ratio would you choose?

Yes, it is easy to program the lens memory function to change between different AR's.    I have a hybrid size screen (not precisely CIA), a 2.0 AR (144x72).     I switch between 136x72 for a 16x9 pic, to a 144x61 for a 2.35 pic.    Very simple, and I like the arrangement very much.

post #3534 of 9746
Can't hrelp here, I do not know anything about CIA set ups. What are the advantages of CIA?
Edited by mark haflich - 11/26/12 at 7:12am
post #3535 of 9746
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

can't hrelp here, I do not know anything about CIA set ups. What are the advantages of CIA?


In a CIA - Constant Image Area - instead of keeping the image height constant, you keep the image area constant per aspect ratio, so while the aspect ratio changes the shape of the image, you always have the "same sized image" for any film. Whereas of course in a CIH set up you have a significantly smaller image area for 1:85:1 and 1:33:1 aspect ratios. The advantages of Constant Image Area is that you retain a sense of cinematic immersion in all aspect ratios. This came from some member's dissatisfaction with both Constant Image Width (standard 16:9 set up as you know) and Constant Image Height, where it seemed that both approaches ended up sacrificing the size and immersion of alternate aspect ratios. (You can see this in many threads over time in the CIH forum, where people talk of "hoping a film will be in 2:35:1" and some even skewing their movie purchases to 2:35:1, because that is the most cinematic, immersive and hence
satisfying AR given their set up. The smaller 16:9 AR content feels less exciting and immersive. A certain portion of us AVSmembers wanted to avoid this issue. In a Constant Image Area set up, CinemaScope 2:35:1 films are still projected wider than the other ARs, but 1:85:1 and 1:33:1 AR films are significantly larger than on a CIH set up.

With a CIA set up you'd choose a screen closer to a 2:05 aspect screen, and zoom the image to keep a constant image area. Like CIH, if you don't mind black bars you won't bother masking. But if you DO want masked images, then of course it gets a bit more complicated with CIA because the frame edge is changing in all directions, hence 4-way masking rears it's head.

Me, I skipped right past even CIA and just went Variable Image Size. I went with as tall and wide a screen as would fit on my wall, use remote controlled 4 way masking (costs me less than a good A-lens), and zoom the image to suit the movie content, or the source quality, or how my guests like it (some love the image huge, others smaller) or just how I feel at the time. No aspect ratio is given the best treatment, they all get it, so there's never a hint of dissatisfaction with any AR for any movie.

Seems the new memory-lens-features in new projectors make CIA (and Variable Image Size) more viable than ever.

AVSmember Bjoern Roy was I believe the first advocate for CIA and explains it's genesis well in this post:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1130474/cia-constant-image-area/330#post_16255009

Also, his web page:

http://www.videophile.info/Screen/Page_01.htm

I just fell into my type of system simply because I set up a projector to project on my wall and decide what screen size and set up I'd like. Over time I realized I couldn't settle on one screen size or even CIH, and that I enjoyed the ability to make the image any darned size it felt like it needed to be. Since projection is the only display technology that allows such flexibility, I decided to retain this flexibility in my own system.

It's been the single most rewarding decision I made of all in my home theater.

YMMV, as always.
Edited by R Harkness - 11/25/12 at 11:07pm
post #3536 of 9746
Thanks for the great explanation Rich. I can relate to how much time and thought you put into writing it. Thank you very much.i
post #3537 of 9746
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post


Just wondering if it's still on the menu, or something that one should forget about.

Probably closer to reality in the 4K Radiance.    Is it still on schedule for early next year?

The beta testing release is still aways off. We were hoping for January but I think it will be two months later, but that's my guess not their's. They are just saying that it is taking them longer than expected.
post #3538 of 9746
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

The beta testing release is still aways off. We were hoping for January but I think it will be two months later, but that's my guess not their's. They are just saying that it is taking them longer than expected.

Are they going to ask me to beta test? smile.gif
post #3539 of 9746
I am sure you will be a top candidate given your many many anti processor posts. smile.gif You do have a 4K projector and I am sure the Lumagen no ring scaling will be superior to that in the Sony which does exhibit a modest amount of ringing but I (and I am not Lumagen and am speaking for myself) would still be hesitant given your complete lack of appreciation for the many other fine things a top notch processor can do to closer perfect a HT .For example, the 1000ES lacks a color management system which I have found needed as the Sony bulb and panels age. Also such things as auto calibration including multi point gray scale and gamma and 125 point cms. I don't think I would offer a top notch reel and rod to a non fisherman even though the indi vidual may have a expensive tropical salt water fish tank and like seafood. smile.gif A beta tester must be familar with using a large percentage of the functions the processor can do and be able to thoroughly test them for possible problems. Betatest units come from a very limited beta production run and the distribution of beta units must be well thought out if beta testing is to accomplish its objectives.

I think you would become a much more viable candidate if you picked up a mini while the price is so low, a copy of chromapure with auto cal, and an inexpensive calibrated probe. These would make you a better reviewer than the already very good one you are as well as improve the quality of your reviews which are now more or less completely subjective. By the time you have learned to appreciate and use all these goodies you would be well qualified to be a beta tester although I suspect beta testers will be required to purchase the unit at beta tester prices .None of this should be viewed by ANYONE as an attack on Joerod who is indeed a friend and a very important insider in our beloved industry and sport. Through our careers we have each done much to make the other better. I fully appreciate the help Joerod has given me and his contributions to our sport.
Edited by mark haflich - 11/26/12 at 10:25pm
post #3540 of 9746
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

I am sure you will be a top candidate given your many many anti processor posts. smile.gif You do have a 4K projector and I am sure the Lumagen no ring scaling will be superior to that in the Sony which does exhibit a modest amount of ringing but I (and I am not Lumagen and am speaking for myself) would still be hesitant given your complete lack of appreciation for the many other fine things a top notch processor can add to a HT .For example, the 1000ES lacks a color management system which I have found needed as the Sony bulb and panels age. Also such things as auto calibration including multi point gray scale and gamma and 125 point cms. I don't think I would offer a top notch reel and rod to a non fisherman even though the individual may have a fish tank and eat seafood.smile.gif A beta tester nust be fanilar with using a large percentage of the functions the processor can and be able to thoroughly test them for possible problems. Betatest units come from a very limited beta production run and the distribution of beta units must be well thought out if beta testing is to accomplish its objectives.
I think you would become a much more viable candidate if you picked up a mini while the price is so low, a copy of chromapure with auto cal, and an inexpensive calibrated probe. These would make you a better reviewer than the already very good one you are as well as improve the quality of your reviews which are now more or less completely subjective. By the time you have learned to appreciate and use all these goodies you would be well qualified to be a beta tester although I suspect beta testers will be required to purchase the unit at beta tester prices .None of this should be viewed by ANYONE as an attack on Joerod who is indeed a friend and a very important insider in our beloved industry and sport.Through our carriers we have each done much to make the other better. I fully appreciate the help Joerod has given me and his contributions to our sport.

Mark you make a really good point re auto calibration in the Lumagens. That is something I would like to have, given all of my previous projectors, aside the VW95 were 'pro calibrated'. Due to loss of my calibration guy, who's left the industry, I've got basically no straightforward options for professional calibration. Also, the idea of going the next step in 4K scaling is def something I'd embrace enthusiastically as well.
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