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Sony Unveils 4K Ultra HD Server For Its 84-inch LCD TV
By Greg Tarr
2012-11-29 09:19:00
http://www.twice.com/articletype/news/sony-unveils-4k-ultra-hd-server-its-84-inch-lcd-tv/104085
Los Angeles - Sony Electronics formally took "4K Ultra High Definition" to the next level Thursday by introducing the first 4K playback device supporting its newly released 84-inch LCD TV.
The new 4K Ultra HD Video Player is a hard-disk server that connects easily to Sony's matching XBR-84X900 84-inch LED LCD TV, allowing consumers to view 4K resolution movies and short-form 4K videos.
The server and 84-inch 4K Ultra HD LED LCD TV sets were scheduled to be officially unveiled and demonstrated at an invitation-only event with Sony recording artist John Legend here tonight.
Sony said it is making the device available as a bonus "loaned" - as the company put it - exclusively to U.S. customers purchasing the Sony 4K LED TV. The hard-disk server, which has been used for in-store demos of the company's flagship 4K Ultra HD TV screen, comes loaded with content, including both full-length Hollywood features and a gallery of videos, creating the first true home 4K experience, Sony said.
.... (See link for full article and list of titles.)


We've seen demos at IFA and CEDIA in the last year of Blu-ray content upscaled for playback and even native 4K footage on Sony's own projector (the VPL-VW1000ES 4K projector introduced in 2011 also has a $25k MSRP -- we're told it's compatible with the 4K player and Sony will be "talking to" owners to see if they'd also like access) and it has impressed us so far.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/29/sony-4k-ultra-hd-video-player-phil-molyneux/

Yipee!
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Originally Posted by TheSony4KRises View Post

We've seen demos at IFA and CEDIA in the last year of Blu-ray content upscaled for playback and even native 4K footage on Sony's own projector (the VPL-VW1000ES 4K projector introduced in 2011 also has a $25k MSRP -- we're told it's compatible with the 4K player and Sony will be "talking to" owners to see if they'd also like access) and it has impressed us so far.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/29/sony-4k-ultra-hd-video-player-phil-molyneux/
Yipee!

I definitely want access! Consider me talked to!
post #3573 of 9673
quanto?

or in japanese

どのくらいですか?
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Originally Posted by TheSony4KRises View Post

We've seen demos at IFA and CEDIA in the last year of Blu-ray content upscaled for playback and even native 4K footage on Sony's own projector (the VPL-VW1000ES 4K projector introduced in 2011 also has a $25k MSRP -- we're told it's compatible with the 4K player and Sony will be "talking to" owners to see if they'd also like access) and it has impressed us so far.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/29/sony-4k-ultra-hd-video-player-phil-molyneux/
Yipee!

I posted a message on the Sony Facebook page and Tweeted them about how we go about securing one of these! I'll post back if I hear...
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

Yes, it is easy to program the lens memory function to change between different AR's.    I have a hybrid size screen (not precisely CIA), a 2.0 AR (144x72).     I switch between 136x72 for a 16x9 pic, to a 144x61 for a 2.35 pic.    Very simple, and I like the arrangement very much.

How do you go about doing this with the VW1000? The lens memory only saves the zoom position and not the lens-shift position. To shift between different aspect ratios one would also need to use vertical lens-shift, because the zoom will not move the top and bottom of the picture the same distance. Do you need to manually dial in the right lens-shift every time you want to change aspect ratio or do you have a programmable 4-way masking system that can be programed to mimic the way the VW1000ES zooms? Or perhaps an option without masking?
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Here's some updated info about the Sony server. The post also teases a new/different 4K format or source coming to CES in January. Maybe disc-based 4K?

http://blog.sony.com/sony-4k-tv-content
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I note the announcement says its a loan. Prior to Bluray players being available commercially from Sony, they loaned to dealers a very slow loading more computer with a playback drive than player machine so that dealers would have 1080p content to show. I suspect at CES they will show a player which will come out early 2nd quarter. The fact the the whatever there is now is a loan to spur 4K flat panel dsales doesn't bode well for 1000ES owners because assuming sales are in the neighborhood of 1000 now (I dunno just saying) it would be very expensive for Sony to loan machines to this community. These machines will clearly not be a long term solution. Curious to see what Sony announces at CES and what the price will be even though I suspect there might not be a price announced yet. Certainly way more than a grand.
Edited by mark haflich - 11/29/12 at 11:16am
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

I nothe announcement says its a loan. Prior to Bluray players being available commercially from sony, they loaned to dealers a very slow loading more computer with a playback drive than player machine so that dealers would have 1080p content to show. suspect at CES they will show a player which will come out early 2nd quarter. the fact the the whatever there is now is a loan to spur 4K flat panel dsales doesn't bode well for 1000ES owners because assuming sales ate in the neighborhood of 1000 now (I dunno just saying) it would be very expensive for Sony to loan machines to this community. These machines will clearly not be a long term solution. curious to see what Sony announces at CES and what the price will be even though I suspect there might not be a price announced yet. certainly way more than a grand.

I actually think the 1,000 mark is a little generous. Just extrapolating from the serial numbers, I'd peg it closer to 700 or 800, if it's even that high. The brand new replacement I received about 60 days ago had 407 as the serial number. I'm hopeful because the Engadget article does say that they're going to "talk to" VW1000ES about providing one. Even though it's not a long term solution, it's a nice gesture in the meantime. A native 4K, disc-based format would be the ideal delivery device, but it's just not there yet, so I'd happily accept an interim solution.
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You do not have to put filters on the Sony glasses to stop the color shift when tilting your head during 3D shows. Sony now has a snap-on filter for the projector itself, available free through your dealer's Sony tech support people. It appears completely transparent, so it has no visible effect on normal viewing, but completely eliminates the 3D color shift while at the same time boosting overall brightness on 3D projection.

Interesting. Do you know how it boost the overall light output, and by roughly how much? I wonder if this filter has any affect on the ANSI CR.

Also I know the lens is larger on the VW1000, but I was wondering if this would work for the VW95. There is definite color shift on the VW95 when you tilt your head from right to left.

The filter for 3D projection for the vw1000 that Sony Tech Support sent me was clearly custom-made for the VW1000 in that it clips perfectly to the front of the lens housing. Whether it might be effective in correcting the optical problem on other projectors I don't know. It would depend on whether the source of the problem is the same. The way I got the filter is as follows: I had managed to get through to my dealer's tech support people, the only people inside Sony who have any real knowledge of the projector. I did so by calling the regular number, then getting routed and routed and routed until I finally ended up where I did. The easier way would be to work upwards through your dealer. This was back in July. I had a long chat with the tech support guy about the color shift and also about using a PS3 for photo projection. I ended up writing the "real" instructions for projecting using the PS3 which you can otherwise find on this forum, something I shared with my contact. I then got a cold call from the guy around two months ago telling me that Sony now had this new snap-on filter that would solve the 3D problem. He sent it to me and it did, indeed, solve the problem: You can rotate your head as much as you want and there's no color shift. (The problem may or may not have now been corrected internally in shipping units. I bought mine very early.)

As for the brightness claim I made: Of course, any filter will reduce the number of photons that will pass through, both by reflection and absorption. Nonetheless, in sitting on a ladder, sliding the filter in and out of place, I noticed a small increase in the brightness perceived after passing through the 3D glasses. Given the huge loss in brightness that the 3D glasses cause, it would not take very much to dampen that loss by having a more accurately polarized projection stream. At the same time, I am one person making a subjective observation. It was a careful and methodical observation, but it was not backed up with instruments because I don't have any lying around, so take it for what it's worth. What I will tell you with a high degree of certainty is that it in no way darkened the 3D projection, and the lens appears so crystal clear that I couldn't perceive any darkening effect on normal projection. (Nor could I see any effect at all on normal projection.) The lens does exist, but you will have to expend some effort to get ahold of it. I would love to supply you with a part number, but there was nothing on it or the plain box it came in. Either your dealer can get it or give you the phone number of the dealer's tech support contact for the VW1000 so you can get to someone who can get it.

You do not want the filter if you do not need the filter. It will be seen by no one but you (unless you point it out to your guests when the projector doors are open), but it is not particularly attractive and is just one more thing to have to clean from time to time. The color-shift-with-head-tilt effect is apparently only visible with a few "specialty" screens, one of which, the Black Diamond, I happen to own.
Edited by toghome - 11/30/12 at 8:58am
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Originally Posted by NORLL View Post


How do you go about doing this with the VW1000? The lens memory only saves the zoom position and not the lens-shift position. To shift between different aspect ratios one would also need to use vertical lens-shift, because the zoom will not move the top and bottom of the picture the same distance. Do you need to manually dial in the right lens-shift every time you want to change aspect ratio or do you have a programmable 4-way masking system that can be programed to mimic the way the VW1000ES zooms? Or perhaps an option without masking?


The lens memory function DOES save both zoom and lens shift settings.    Get the zoom and lens shift as you want them, and do the save function.    Do another zoom and lens shift arrangement, and save under another label.   (It doesn't do anything with focus, however, but my experience is that focus doesn't change from one arrangement to another.)

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I have seen machines with much higher serial numbers but I just used 1000 as a ball bark, i don't think its that high yet but I suspect its getting close. I missed the bit about sony speaking to 1000ES owners about getting access.

You know who, how are you? I would very much like access. I suggest reverse age biased access with the oldest in age gettting preferred access. smile.gif After all, we are the longest and most loyal Sony customers many of us going back to Sony Trinatron and No Baloney Slogan days which I believe would be before you were born. I promise lots of reviews and to host several showings for industry reviewers and AVS members in the DC area. By the way, Joerod is considerably younger. smile.gif
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I want one!!! biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

It is best to run the Oppo and Mini in a daishy chain. The Lumagens do not contain functions which can enhance the image similar to what the darblet does. There would be some overlap between what the darblet does and the RC in the sony, but that would be minimal. Most who own 1000ES use it with a darblet and many own a lumagen as well making their chain bluray player, lumagen, darblet, 1000ES. the Darblet does one thing, the Mini does many things but not the thing the Darblet does.

Sounds like a plan. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

You know who, how are you? I would very much like access. I suggest reverse age biased access with the oldest in age gettting preferred access. smile.gif

I gotta shoot down that idea Mark! At 25, I'd probably be pretty far down the list. How about the youngin's get in first?
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I'm emailing my Sony Aust contact as we speak asking if Sony HQ will provide Sony Aust with some 'loaner' servers for themselves and 'closest friends'. I'm pretty sure I can wangle one. After all I got a my original Qualia thrown in as a bonus for the amount of pro equip I bought back in the day biggrin.gif!
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Maybe I will just buy the 84" tv and thn sell it and keep the server! eek.gif
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Maybe I will just buy the 84" tv and thn sell it and keep the server! eek.gif

LOL tongue.gif
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That Was a good one biggrin.gif
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Its pretty clear that Sony will be loaning these to 4K display purchasers. So it wouldn't be like buying a Panasonic Bluray player to get a copy of Avatar and then selling the Panny on ebay for say $35 less than Best Buy. The Buy it now button got hit pretty fast when people did that. I would guess that the server will not be a Sony product but manufactured and labeled by someone else..
Edited by mark haflich - 11/30/12 at 10:40am
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The worst news I am afraid but the server will not be made available to 1000ES owners or purchasers. There could be lots of reasons including limiting the content distribution or having to purchase servers from a third party though I don't know the reasons but I fully respect Sony's decision here as much as I would love to get my hands on one. Sony will have a 4K player platform or something like that, I know no details nor could I disclose them if I did. But I think we will see somethng soon and no I don't know any time frame. Believe me, sony wants a solution for its 1000ES customers and will get us one. I think the next news will come at CES.

Meanwhile, Red has not put details, costs, etc on it site yet for its Redray player and content sourcing and distribution of same but the page still says the details will be published today.
Edited by mark haflich - 11/30/12 at 2:25pm
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Mark, your information was confirmed by my Sony contact, I'm not giving anything away so I am going to quote her:

"Regarding the 4K server, it will not be included with the VW1000ES at this time and unfortunately cannot be purchased seperately. While I can't provide details at this time, we'll have more exciting news coming shortly."

On less exciting news, I have confirmed that for some reason Nvidia does not allow GPU scaling when hooked to the 1000ES. I hooked up my ASUS 3D Vision compatible display at the same time and confirmed that the dropdown box DOES allow me to choose GPU or Display scaling.

Not sure what the reasoning is or if it is a bug, but I would like to know, as GPU scaling should be superior.

Also, Nvidia 3DTV Play was automatically enabled for the Sony 1000ES after I hooked up my 3D Vision IR emitter. Yeah!
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

The worst news I am afraid but the server will not be made available to 1000ES owners or purchasers. There could be lots of reasons including limiting the content distribution or having to purchase servers from a third party though I don't know the reasons but I fully respect Sony's decision here as much as I would love to get my hands on one. Sony will have a 4K player platform or something like that, I know no details nor could I disclose them if I did. But I think we will see somethng soon and no I don't know any time frame. Believe me, sony wants a solution for its 1000ES customers and will get us one. I think the next news will come at CES.
Meanwhile, Red has not put details, costs, etc on it site yet for its Redray player and content sourcing and distribution of same but the page still says the details will be published today.

That explains why they've been ignoring my questions on Facebook and Twitter... So, apparently they're not "talking to" owners of the VW1000ES, like the COO said? I understand not making the server available, but my pet peeve is when a high level executive makes on-the-record statements like that, gets everyone's hopes up, and then the statements are labeled "inaccurate," or ignored, or shot down with some other excuse. Seems like they're not on the same page over there. Unfortunately, that's par for the course when it comes to Sony.

Guess I'll have to wait and see what Red is up to.
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My bet is that we will be looking to get a new 4KBD player.

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The REDRAY 4K player + ODEMAX distribution system should answer your need for 4K content to your VW1000 projector.
Price; $1450, pre-orders up. Delivery starts late December.
ODEMAX distribution details launch at Sundance film festival in January.

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The REDRAY 4K player + ODEMAX distribution system should answer your need for 4K content to your VW1000 projector.
Price; $1450, pre-orders up. Delivery starts late December.
ODEMAX distribution details launch at Sundance film festival in January.

Interesting. Hopefully we'll get a sense of content, distribution model, and pricing soon to see if it's worth it. As it is, the announcement is particularly vague...

I'm also somewhat curious as to this compression they are claiming (4K rates of 2.5 Mb/s?)
Edited by thrang - 12/1/12 at 10:42am
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Since Sony screwed us I am in. smile.gif
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Well Joerod. They are talking Redray player distribution in 1st Q as to substantial quantity but you will need content other than off a camera but that has been fully produced. You will need content that you are familiar with and to which you can make direct comparisons. I think when they announced home distribution of content through their startup distribution Odemax of March, I do not think we will see meaningful home content until this summer from them. I suspect our friends at Sony will have 4K players and source material available for sale long before that.

I know you are joking about Sony screwing us. They are noit deep pockets and actually never have been always needing to cut labor costs every few years but it would have been very expensive to loan players to the numbers involved and also to convince the source side of Sony to give away source materials to a greater number. I bet they had to tie up the studeo side with they had to or their (the other side 80 inch 4K) would fail. You can bet your bottom dollar the studeo side was not a willing participant.


I know my buddies at Sony would cringe at this but I find 4K panels quite marginal as a performance upgrade for me. A panel will always look like a TV to me and simply doesn't become involving. I need the immersion of a theater size picture and one that doesn't remind me that I am watching a screen like glass and plastic front panels do or screen materials like HP.
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Well Joerod. They are talking Redray player distribution in 1st Q as to substantial quantity but you will need content other than off a camera but that has been fully produced. You will need content that you are familiar with and to which you can make direct comparisons. I think when they announced home distribution of content through their startup distribution Odemax of March, I do not think we will see meaningful home content until this summer from them. I suspect our friends at Sony will have 4K players and source material available for sale long before that.
I know you are joking about Sony screwing us. They are noit deep pockets and actually never have been always needing to cut labor costs every few years but it would have been very expensive to loan players to the numbers involved and also to convince the source side of Sony to give away source materials to a greater number. I bet they had to tie up the studeo side with they had to or their (the other side 80 inch 4K) would fail. You can bet your bottom dollar the studeo side was not a willing participant.
I know my buddies at Sony would cringe at this but I find 4K panels quite marginal as a performance upgrade for me. A panel will always look like a TV to me and simply doesn't become involving. I need the immersion of a theater size picture and one that doesn't remind me that I am watching a screen like glass and plastic front panels do or screen materials like HP.

Stop stomping on HP! smile.gif

You'd be surprised who at Sony really likes this material in conjunction with the 1000...
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Actually I wouldn't be surprised.

I have sold plenty of HP. It just isn't for me. I have a small screen (only 110 inch D 1.78) and I can't stand to have the screen mateial visable as part of the picture. its me. I want the screen to disappear. Other want additional brightness, for one or two reasons: One they have a screen size too large for their projector unless the screen has substantial gain or they just like as bright as they can get. HP fulfills a need or a want, I have neither that need or want.And 3D, one needs a gain screen for almost any size screen. I can just get by with my size and that will be questionable with bulb age. In my new set up, i will use a HP for 3D. But i watch very little of that anyway since content is rather limited.
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Interesting. Hopefully we'll get a sense of content, distribution model, and pricing soon to see if it's worth it. As it is, the announcement is particularly vague...
I'm also somewhat curious as to this compression they are claiming (4K rates of 2.5 mb/s?)

Its Mb, not mb.
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