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post #3721 of 9626
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

Some while ago there were suggestions--I think by you, Mark--about Sony coming out with some hardware upgrades to the VW1000ES, that would be offered for a cost.     Any update on this possibility?

We won't hear anything until the HDMI spec is updated. It was supposed to happen before the end of the year, but it's been quiet.
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Originally Posted by turls View Post

Yes, when it is as good as it is on this Sony. And don't forget this projector is certified for Nvidia 3DTV Play now too. Probably the best 3D gaming projector as well.
I do wish we were to glasses free, but I wish I had a laser instead of a bulb too.

That's a good point and one I don't believe is mentioned enough. This is a fantastic gaming projector. When in "Game" mode, this thing is nearly flawless. It's probably the lowest latency projector I've ever used for games. While it's possible to detect the slightest input lag, this projector is actually better than many of the LED TVs out there.

If there are any gamers out there on the fence, don't hesitate to jump in!
post #3722 of 9626
I've played Madden 360 and the Uncharted PS3 titles and 100% agree! smile.gif
post #3723 of 9626
Is it really? I don't play games but I know the proplayers need the shortest lag times. I have not measured the lag time on the Sony 1000ES as I really don't care about that but I suspect its is longer than on the 50ES where it has been measured. The 50 is considered to have very short lag times.
post #3724 of 9626
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Is it really? I don't play games but I know the proplayers need the shortest lag times. I have not measured the lag time on the Sony 1000ES as I really don't care about that but I suspect its is longer than on the 50ES where it has been measured. The 50 is considered to have very short lag times.

I was really worried when I first purchased the 1000ES because games account for about 65% of my total usage (I supplement my income by competing professionally in Wisconsin). In anything but the game mode, the projector has an incredibly long delay-- I haven't measured, but it's probably somewhere in the 250ms range. In game mode, however, it's the best projector for gaming I've ever used.

It is possible to detect a slight delay in game mode, but it's negligible. It doesn't impact my play in any meaningful way, and after five minutes, it's imperceptible. I've been using it to play some first person shooters online (Black Ops, Halo 4, etc.) and I haven't noticed any dips in my productivity.

Not only that, but I have gamer friends who also compete professionally and they haven't said or noticed anything. Honestly, it's better than the majority of LED TVs out there.

Sony has done an excellent job with their game mode.
post #3725 of 9626
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Originally Posted by BrianMundt View Post

I was really worried when I first purchased the 1000ES because games account for about 65% of my total usage (I supplement my income by competing professionally in Wisconsin). In anything but the game mode, the projector has an incredibly long delay-- I haven't measured, but it's probably somewhere in the 250ms range. In game mode, however, it's the best projector for gaming I've ever used.
It is possible to detect a slight delay in game mode, but it's negligible. It doesn't impact my play in any meaningful way, and after five minutes, it's imperceptible. I've been using it to play some first person shooters online (Black Ops, Halo 4, etc.) and I haven't noticed any dips in my productivity.
Not only that, but I have gamer friends who also compete professionally and they haven't said or noticed anything. Honestly, it's better than the majority of LED TVs out there.
Sony has done an excellent job with their game mode.

I brought this up 6 months ago. There's one specific option that Game Mode sets to off that eliminates the lag to negligent. I forget what it is, but we discussed it on this thread earlier this year. I play Call of Duty a ton on this and haven't had any issues.
post #3726 of 9626
Valuable info for many. Thanks for sharing.
post #3727 of 9626
I spent some good time with the newer 3D glasses (the ones that Zombie posted a link to a few earlier posts ago). These Optomas are comfortable. Of course the much smaller lens area makes it tougher for those who wear presrciption glasses under. They also have a cheaper feel to them. Performance-wise they do just as good a job as the original Monstervision glasses. I did order another pair so I have two but definitely will keep my Monsters. I just recently decided to change my seating (black seats) and will have 8 spots. So now I like havin two of the newer ones, 6 of the Monsters and the two that came with the 1000. Not to mention two kid Sony glasses. Anyway, now I just need to sell my 6 Red seats so I can get back to parking in the garage. biggrin.gif
post #3728 of 9626
To my eyes, I see no difference in the Sony PS3 glasses being sold for $20 on BB and Amazon vs. the ones that came with the projector. Just ordered 3 more. I think they are better than the kids ones I had to buy filters for (since I sure don't see where I need filters flipping between all 3 types of glasses).

So now I'll have 8 total pairs which should allow me to have 3D movie nights...good timing with ESPN 3D bowl games coming up...

I completely forgot about SimulView which these glasses are supposed to support (don't know yet if there is anything really different in the glasses to support that). I have 3 games which support it and I didn't realize that either. That's the next thing I need to try with the 1000ES to see if it works:

http://us.playstation.com/ps3/accessories/sony-playstation-3d-display-ps3/simul-view.html
post #3729 of 9626
Did Sony ever come up with a fix for the horizontal banding? I just had mine calibrated after 40 hrs on the bulb and its quite noticeable on light scenes (or an all white scene). The blue horizontal line across the middle is prevelant too.
post #3730 of 9626
Go into the service menu and under the info tab (entering the service re changes the info on the info screen), and report your software versions. With the newest software banding is minimal and mainly all the banding that remains is a slight horizontal bright band on a white screen a liitle below vertical center caused by the arc flash protection circuit which can be shut off but will quickly destroy you bulb if it is shut off. Not instantly of course. Any other banding on a white screen except perhaps very very very minor would be defective..... There are certain things you can do if you see a little pink in the whites caused not by calibration errors but by improper setting of the RC. Try putting up a horizontal or vertical single on off pixel pattern and see how the uniformity changes with changes to the R or resolution setting. Bulb age affects this.

Are you using an external video processor with your 1000ES? The Sony does not have a built in CMS so that all that can be addressed is color temperature at two IRE points and gamma. At 40 hours things out of the box should be fine without any calibration. At200 hours the primaries will shift a bit and yoo would beed an external CMS to correct things. Likewise any external CMS will be abble to set multy point color temperature and gamma without resorting to the more compliocated gamma settings that Sony can do with its image director software.

I am curious what you calibrator exactly did for you. Set the contrast, brightness, and sharpness and then did a two point color temperature or gray scale setting? there is not much else for him to do without an external processor. with your banding, he should have not done much anyway because it is likely your machine will have to be exchanged. anyway.
Edited by mark haflich - 12/28/12 at 5:08pm
post #3731 of 9626
He basically did what you said. Version matches the latest roms reported in the thread. Ugh.
post #3732 of 9626
Scooter. If you are using the electronic panel alignment, try shutting it off and tell me if that has an effect on your color unifformity and banding. it could.
post #3733 of 9626
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Scooter. If you are using the electronic panel alignment, try shutting it off and tell me if that has an effect on your color unifformity and banding. it could.
Good news... I am pretty sure the issue is in the screen material and not the projector.
Edited by scooter_29 - 12/30/12 at 3:20pm
post #3734 of 9626
Sorry to intrude into this owners thread, but I had the good fortune to see one of these projectors today on a quality screen with some amazing Steinberg speakers. I have to say I was blown away with the result. It was an exceptional room so there was a lack of any reflections back to the screen so the image depth was superb, but it was the clarity (even of older films such as Jaws) that surprised me. I particularly loved the fade to black (I guess this was the dynamic iris doing it's thing). At least I can understand what you guys are raving about.

Meanwhile back to my little old X35...
post #3735 of 9626
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Originally Posted by scooter_29 View Post

Good news... I am pretty sure the issue is in the screen material and not the projector.

Pray tell. What is the screen material?
post #3736 of 9626
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Originally Posted by Kelvin1965S View Post

Sorry to intrude into this owners thread, but I had the good fortune to see one of these projectors today on a quality screen with some amazing Steinberg speakers. I have to say I was blown away with the result. It was an exceptional room so there was a lack of any reflections back to the screen so the image depth was superb, but it was the clarity (even of older films such as Jaws) that surprised me. I particularly loved the fade to black (I guess this was the dynamic iris doing it's thing). At least I can understand what you guys are raving about.
Meanwhile back to my little old X35...

What do you mean by clarity? Is there less noise or less haze. Is the image sharper?

When asked what I see, I use there is a much higher degree of realism with the Sony 1000ES but some of this is dependent on the screen material. In my case Snowmat in a dark pit room, the only type of room where the full benefits of snowmat can be seen. In any other room, the wide dispersion of the material will result in room boundaries reflecting light back on the screen wiping out part of the system MTF.
post #3737 of 9626
Well really, all of the above: It was sharper, there was little or no noise (depending on the disc we watched as some had grain of course). There wasn't any of that slight haze that could be seen on the X35 and X55 in bright scenes (I daren't use the term ANSI contrast considering the other thread, but you get the idea?). In some ways a bit like some kind of 4K Darbee effect, where the 'off' effect was the other JVC projectors (which were in equally dark pit rooms) and the Sony was 'on' (the X35 was connected to a Darbee too, so already had a helping hand so to speak).

We didn't view any sport on it, but I could image it being like watching from corporate box literally through a window: Some of the content we viewed certainly gave this impression. I can't remember what the screen was now, but it wasn't a high gain screen despite it's size which was about 4 metres across IIRC, the high (black) ceilings and dark surrounding walls were a long way out from the screen as it was a huge room which meant there wasn't washout of the screen due to reflections: Not one of those magnolia painted rolleyes.gif dedicated rooms sometimes seen in magazines, but the real thing, which actually looked very tasteful when the lights came up.

Knowing that you can watch one of these on a daily basis, I have to say I'm a tiny bit jealous Mark. smile.gif
post #3738 of 9626
Thanks. I think having any relatively current projector and the ability to watch it create large pictures is amazing. The things we own that are discussed in the $3K and up forum, when they are working correctly, are all pretty amazing and we are lucky we can watch them. If my wife didn't force me to buy the Sony once she saw it, I could have been quite happy with the inferior projector I had.
Edited by mark haflich - 12/31/12 at 7:13am
post #3739 of 9626
Oh I agree Mark, we have some amazing equipment available these days some of it for very modest outlays. I was a little nervous seeing such high end systems as yesterday (the speakers cost more than my whole house eek.gif), but I'm readjusting my eyes and ears by watching SD TV on my 5 YO LCD set. By tonight when I put my X35 back on, it'll seem a good improvement over the TV. biggrin.gif
post #3740 of 9626
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Pray tell. What is the screen material?
Firehawk. When I adjust the lens position, the banding doesn't move with the image. I then got the bright idea to move the projector a bit and the banding didn't move either.
post #3741 of 9626
And what is your throw ratio (throw distance divided by screen width)?
post #3742 of 9626
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

If my wife didn't force me to buy the Sony once she saw it, I could have been quite happy with the inferior projector I had.

Ok now its the wife's fault ? Come on... biggrin.gif
post #3743 of 9626
If you have followed the 1000ES threads from the beginning, it was my wife who pushed this purchase. Not me. I had a customer's unit in my HT and she watched it with me and said WOW you have to get US one of these. So I sold my projector, used some sales spiffs and some discount for things I have done and yada I got one of these. If my wife didn't want it, I would be stuck watching a much lesser class projector. But I would still be happy either way.
post #3744 of 9626
Throw is 2.47
post #3745 of 9626
That is part of your problem. The throw is too short. FH requires a minimum throw of 1.6. See the Stewart spec sheet for Firehawk. The base material has a gain if about 0.8 and the sprayed on gain is about 1.6 multiply the two together and you get the rated gain .8 x 1.6 equals 1.28 and the rated gain is about 1.26. Close enough. Try moving your projector back or shring the size down to achieve a longer throw without moving your projector (in other words shring you screen size) and see what happens.
post #3746 of 9626
I am confused... the min throw is 1.6. My screen is 107 wide which means my min throw is 14.2 feet. My projector is 22 ft back... far greater than their min throw.
post #3747 of 9626
Sorry. I misread it as 1.47 not 2.47. Throw is not the problem.
post #3748 of 9626
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Thanks. I think having any relatively current projector and the ability to watch it create large pictures is amazing. The things we own that are discussed in the $3K and up forum, when they are working correctly, are all pretty amazing and we are lucky we can watch them. If my wife didn't force me to buy the Sony once she saw it, I could have been quite happy with the inferior projector I had.







eek.gif


see, it's the right kind of wives - congratulations, you are a lucky man.smile.gif

I wish, that my wife did the same, once in a while biggrin.gif


dj
post #3749 of 9626
I saw some talk a bit earlier about the lens memory but cant remember the verdict. Do mist of you say its spot on? I played with mine for the first time last night and it seemed to get pretty close but not dead on.
post #3750 of 9626
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

I saw some talk a bit earlier about the lens memory but cant remember the verdict. Do mist of you say its spot on? I played with mine for the first time last night and it seemed to get pretty close but not dead on.

Mine has been pretty dead on each time. I use it often between 1:85 and 2:35
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