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post #3811 of 9659
I am at CES today. Sony 4K panels are impressive as is OLED 4K fed by native content. I asked at least 5 people about native 4k content for 1000 ES owners. No one had a public answer for me, apparently internal political conflicts. One guy said that Amy might have an answer but she was running the 1000 ES demo theater, so she was not available. Maybe later in the week.

I did read the Sony press release Mark referenced. Some very vague referral to 4K content service to homes coming this summer.
post #3812 of 9659
Okay guys, it is hereby officially, I'm an idiot! redface.gif ..................... Why?

Because I have invested over 3.5 times as much money in more than 1 year old model type, as a replacement for the best overall and error-free projector, I so far have owned (95ES).

Other things include:

Larger / more clumsy
heavier
louder
higher electricity bills
more cleaning difficult
children's diseases as eg. color stripes at 20 -40 ire (default "error" as they all suffer more or less of, apparently because of lamp optics)
heating more space
no CMS
not the best 3D, I have seen
First generation model (equal to, the next version gets better and cost much less)
no sources to exploit the potential of investment in the near future
Is not ready for "Hobbit" in HFR for now (whooooo rolleyes.gif)
more expensive bulb replacement
deep obsolete in 5 - 10 years
loses clearly lot faster and more in value than the old (resale value)
I hereby owns a projector, which is more expensive than my car - or my new roof on the house
I'm almost ruined and not even sorry
do not have time for my kids more (must constantly trim, test and enjoy it)
my partner understands me - almost - not (she has been confirmed, that I am a sick man)

Or to put it another way, I am hereby member of the 1000ES owners club and loves every inch of the beautiful mistake-filled machine and do not regret it for a second tongue.gif

Justice must be seen also mentioned some positive things about it:

There must as far as I know, not replace air filters on it at all cool.gif


dj biggrin.gif
post #3813 of 9659
Guys, please tell me how I'm supposed to hook up the rf monster glasses to the 1000? Am I missing something simple or what? Don't see how they can actually hook up to any of the inputs unless need different cable that isn't supplied with rf kit.
post #3814 of 9659
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Originally Posted by ecossecableman View Post

They claim the PJ causes "noise" in th audio chain and separately that their HDMI cable improves audio over HDMI.
I hear doubt in your response. As ever without seeing/knowing what they really do I recommend your keep an open mind.
These guys have a growing reputation in germany and spreading throughout Europe. Google Cinemike

I assume the projector has a switch mode power supply that that high frequency noise can leak back over the mains and contaminate everything. However, there are a variety of ways to solve noise leakage WITHOUT projector modification such as proper design of the mains and the grounding and keeping audio power seperate from power feeding vidio. Obviously using such as think as a lemagen you can also strip all the audio off HDMI and feed only HDMI video to the projector. i aemployee both of these things and I do believe HDMI cable can affect both the video and the sound but i am not going there in this thread.

Not only do I keep an open mind, I am willing to use whatever is left of my main.

I am curious what mods they are doing to improve the video performance of the projector. I am sure the projector can be improved by using something better somewhere in the projector.
post #3815 of 9659
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Originally Posted by d.j. View Post

Okay guys, it is hereby officially, I'm an idiot! redface.gif ..................... Why?
Because I have invested over 3.5 times as much money in more than 1 year old model type, as a replacement for the best overall and error-free projector, I so far have owned (95ES).
Other things include:
Larger / more clumsy
heavier
louder
higher electricity bills
more cleaning difficult
children's diseases as eg. color stripes at 20 -40 ire (default "error" as they all suffer more or less of, apparently because of lamp optics)
heating more space
no CMS
not the best 3D, I have seen
First generation model (equal to, the next version gets better and cost much less)
no sources to exploit the potential of investment in the near future
Is not ready for "Hobbit" in HFR for now (whooooo rolleyes.gif)
more expensive bulb replacement
deep obsolete in 5 - 10 years
loses clearly lot faster and more in value than the old (resale value)
I hereby owns a projector, which is more expensive than my car - or my new roof on the house
I'm almost ruined and not even sorry
do not have time for my kids more (must constantly trim, test and enjoy it)
my partner understands me - almost - not (she has been confirmed, that I am a sick man)
Or to put it another way, I am hereby member of the 1000ES owners club and loves every inch of the beautiful mistake-filled machine and do not regret it for a second tongue.gif
Justice must be seen also mentioned some positive things about it:
There must as far as I know, not replace air filters on it at all cool.gif
dj biggrin.gif

Welcome to the club!

Even with all the flaws you'll notice it will continue to blow your mind each and every time you sit in your theater.

My biggest complaint is its lack of staying focused and aspect ratios staying saved exactly right. Some other minor issues that are overlooked once they disappear and I just enjoy what I'm looking at.
post #3816 of 9659
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Originally Posted by audiovideoholic View Post

Guys, please tell me how I'm supposed to hook up the rf monster glasses to the 1000? Am I missing something simple or what? Don't see how they can actually hook up to any of the inputs unless need different cable that isn't supplied with rf kit.

did your MV3D kit come with the IR receiver that plugs into the RF receiver? you can place the IR receiver near the projectors IR sender to activate the transmitter. You'll need to provide power via a micro-usb charger (a blackberry charger works perfect). When it syncs up in 3D, you'll see 5 green lights, then it must be adjusted from there to fine tune it.
post #3817 of 9659
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Originally Posted by d.j. View Post

not the best 3D, I have seen

dj biggrin.gif

dj - what other projectors did you see in 3D that you thought looked better?
post #3818 of 9659
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Originally Posted by audiovideoholic View Post

Guys, please tell me how I'm supposed to hook up the rf monster glasses to the 1000? Am I missing something simple or what? Don't see how they can actually hook up to any of the inputs unless need different cable that isn't supplied with rf kit.

You can't hook it up without using an IR receiver cable that came with the Opoima glasses kit, You place the receiving end of the cable need the IR emitter and plug the IR reciver cable into the Optoma/Monster emitter. Without buying an Optoma kit which includes thios cable, the monster kit doesn't, you need to construct a special cable which shorts or connects to gether a number of pin outs on the Sony to pin ins on the monster. Research the 30 thread for this cable. An idiot could construct and most of the cable involves powering the monster from the Sony which does not have to be done with a wall wart hdmi supply for the monster. just twist the wires comming off the RJ 45 cable (plus a male ended one into the Sony socket) and then just twist the right ones together and attach to an RCA sterio mini jack.
post #3819 of 9659
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Originally Posted by hermosa View Post

I am at CES today. Sony 4K panels are impressive as is OLED 4K fed by native content. I asked at least 5 people about native 4k content for 1000 ES owners. No one had a public answer for me, apparently internal political conflicts. One guy said that Amy might have an answer but she was running the 1000 ES demo theater, so she was not available. Maybe later in the week.
I did read the Sony press release Mark referenced. Some very vague referral to 4K content service to homes coming this summer.

i don't know why I bother to post. As stated previously, of course its political. The studeo side of Sony is profitable and could buy and liquidate the hardware side and stop the bleeding. They don't like the losers so to speak on the hardware side w ho collectively have put Sony in the financial mess they are in now. .Tthe head of Sony I suspect had to bust ass and break heads to get them to pony up 4K content to stimulate the purchase of 4k panels. A deal was struck reluctantly. They agreed to supply conten ONLY to purchasers of the expensive Sony 4K panels. No stimulus was needed for us FP 4K folks, we are an insignificant number who already have bought in and besides Sony hardware side will not be saved by 4K projector sales, panels are viewed as a partial salvation. Of course many in the industry thinks that there will be no salvation in the display industry for Sony. They are too far behind Samsung and would have to bleed too much money trying to catch up.cthose in the know know there will be no.

What's the right thing to do. Give the content to us, early and loyal adopters. It would be the err Christian thing to do. But poliitical capital and force would have to be used on the software side. Our best chance if this 4K server sannouncement is really something beyond the current loaner program. Nobody realy knows though. The Software ain't going to be real happy about it unless content is protected and they get substantial renumeration for allowing the content out. It was essentially a freebie for the loaner program and they weren't happy..

Sony reads this thread. Do I have it right or at least pretty close.
post #3820 of 9659
All ye VW1000 owners purchase a 4K Sony Direct view and the issue is solved! biggrin.gif
post #3821 of 9659
Sorry. Joerod beat you to that solution. A better one is to borrow the server from a friend who is buying the 4K panel. There is only so much content that come with it so my friend is willling to ship it to me for a few weeks.

A still better solution would be to buy the Red server for a whopping $1450 and get content from them. could you live for a while without the content Sony has loaded on its loaner server?
Edited by mark haflich - 1/8/13 at 6:28pm
post #3822 of 9659
Darn!..........my gut feeling is the PS4 will double as a 4K movie delivery device.....following a similar model to the PS3 helping BluRay across the line.
post #3823 of 9659
A wee bit here from RED re Red Ray player and the Projector............check the video.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/08/red-camera-interview/?m=false
post #3824 of 9659
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

did your MV3D kit come with the IR receiver that plugs into the RF receiver? you can place the IR receiver near the projectors IR sender to activate the transmitter. You'll need to provide power via a micro-usb charger (a blackberry charger works perfect). When it syncs up in 3D, you'll see 5 green lights, then it must be adjusted from there to fine tune it.

It came with the IR receiver and the little box that has the lights. The USB power also threw me for a loop. I don't have an outlet readily available as its in the attic with wires running through the pole mounted system. Then the cable is VESA so won't plug into the pj.

After reading your and Marks response little confused since I bought the monster kit not the optima kit (it's the newer version right?). So if I take down the pj and run the USB power cable to a phone charger plug and tape/fix the IR sensor to the pj emitter that will work according to you but Mark says my kit needs different cable made. Will run extension cord and try with phone charger.

Kit is Monster Vision Max 3D active eyewear + RF Transmitter. Was kinda bummed to read joerods post couple pages back about all his not holding charge and swapping them out. What is best RF glasses kit available now? Back row needs them. Finally got 3D working perfectly after months and months of issues that ended up being bad Sony emitter but back row will need rf no matter what.

Thanks
post #3825 of 9659
Mark was mentioning that some folks with the HW30 made a custom cable to plug the RF transmitter directly into the projector (so the IR receiver would not be needed).

you have everything you need, it's just a matter of providing power to the transmitter.

There is an updated version of the MV3D glasses. I believe Joe had some comments about them a few pages back to compare against the original RF glasses.
post #3826 of 9659
I could be confused re the Optoma or monster coming with the right cable. If you have the IR cable, you will plug nothing into the projector. the IR picks up the IR signal from the projector and inputs it in electrical form into the RF emitter. You can locate the RF emitter anywhere but you do need to power it with a USB power supply. That should be all you need to do. You need to read the threads on this. I just don;t remember all the details and I could hsave things screwed up>
post #3827 of 9659
As I watched Sherlock Holmes 2 tonight, I noticed lots of the same odd looking / grainy, skin that I noticed in Amazing Spiderman. Its almost like a posterization in the skin. So I started messing with the iris settings. Going from auto full all the way to IRIS off completely eliminates the issue. I think even going to auto limited from full mostly eliminates it.. need to test further. But what would cause the FULL setting to look bad?

I don't remember this being an issue at all months ago on my previous setup (which was on a HP screen vs the EN4k material I have now). Not sure if that has anything to do with it or not....
post #3828 of 9659
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

As I watched Sherlock Holmes 2 tonight, I noticed lots of the same odd looking / grainy, skin that I noticed in Amazing Spiderman. Its almost like a posterization in the skin. So I started messing with the iris settings. Going from auto full all the way to IRIS off completely eliminates the issue. I think even going to auto limited from full mostly eliminates it.. need to test further. But what would cause the FULL setting to look bad?
I don't remember this being an issue at all months ago on my previous setup (which was on a HP screen vs the EN4k material I have now). Not sure if that has anything to do with it or not....

Interesting,
Maybe it's related to the adaptive gamma that works with the auto iris.
post #3829 of 9659
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

dj - what other projectors did you see in 3D that you thought looked better?



Z10K

Not a projector, the 84" 4K sony tv was better - havent seen any better projector, but again, I have not seen e.g. the SIM2 3D lumis ( I would like to smile.gif just for "fun" , but nobody here has it and I couldnt affort it anyway redface.gif )

The 1000ES is very good in 3D, but in "high" glass mode, they is some annoying banding ( loots off it in Sammy´s ), if I put it in Standard ( low glass mode ) it disepears allmost completly and allmost none ghosting, even in difficult scenes - very beautifyl, but a little to dim for my new 0.95 gain screen ( I do have in mind to put up my old high gain screen again, for when Im going to see 3D - its a little smaller too, so probely I will have enought light then smile.gif)

But maybe, I should see one off these cheap bright DLP´s some day, for 3D !....... but I really dont want to have 2 projectors hanging arround:p ( but probely not worse then 2 screens rolleyes.gif )


dj
post #3830 of 9659
Quote:
Originally Posted by audiovideoholic View Post

Welcome to the club!
Even with all the flaws you'll notice it will continue to blow your mind each and every time you sit in your theater.
My biggest complaint is its lack of staying focused and aspect ratios staying saved exactly right. Some other minor issues that are overlooked once they disappear and I just enjoy what I'm looking at.


Thanks audiovideoholic:)

And yes, its a hole level ( or more ) up from my 95ES ( and it better be biggrin.gif, but ofcause, it cant be made up as in "3 times" better etc. the last "small" levels allways cost a lot more - thats the "problem" with being dependent projector geek and movie lover biggrin.gif


dj
post #3831 of 9659
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Originally Posted by opv View Post

Interesting,
Maybe it's related to the adaptive gamma that works with the auto iris.

Yes what I am seeing does seem like it would be related to gamma. Not sure what would have changed for me to have not seen this months ago on my previous setup.
post #3832 of 9659
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

Yes what I am seeing does seem like it would be related to gamma. Not sure what would have changed for me to have not seen this months ago on my previous setup.
Did you change anything in the projector setup? lamp mode maybe?
post #3833 of 9659
Quote:
Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

As I watched Sherlock Holmes 2 tonight, I noticed lots of the same odd looking / grainy, skin that I noticed in Amazing Spiderman. Its almost like a posterization in the skin. So I started messing with the iris settings. Going from auto full all the way to IRIS off completely eliminates the issue. I think even going to auto limited from full mostly eliminates it.. need to test further. But what would cause the FULL setting to look bad?
I don't remember this being an issue at all months ago on my previous setup (which was on a HP screen vs the EN4k material I have now). Not sure if that has anything to do with it or not....

Try the same scene in the Cinema 1 preset. That's what I recently discovered removes it. I'm also pretty sure I had the iris on full auto in cinema 1. In Reference, the grain is there regardless of iris setting (except for ioff which I didn't try under Reference)
post #3834 of 9659
Quote:
Originally Posted by d.j. View Post

Okay guys, it is hereby officially, I'm an idiot! redface.gif ..................... Why?
Because I have invested over 3.5 times as much money in more than 1 year old model type, as a replacement for the best overall and error-free projector, I so far have owned (95ES).
Other things include:
Larger / more clumsy
heavier
louder
higher electricity bills
more cleaning difficult
children's diseases as eg. color stripes at 20 -40 ire (default "error" as they all suffer more or less of, apparently because of lamp optics)
heating more space
no CMS
not the best 3D, I have seen
First generation model (equal to, the next version gets better and cost much less)
no sources to exploit the potential of investment in the near future
Is not ready for "Hobbit" in HFR for now (whooooo rolleyes.gif)
more expensive bulb replacement
deep obsolete in 5 - 10 years
loses clearly lot faster and more in value than the old (resale value)
I hereby owns a projector, which is more expensive than my car - or my new roof on the house
I'm almost ruined and not even sorry
do not have time for my kids more (must constantly trim, test and enjoy it)
my partner understands me - almost - not (she has been confirmed, that I am a sick man)
Or to put it another way, I am hereby member of the 1000ES owners club and loves every inch of the beautiful mistake-filled machine and do not regret it for a second tongue.gif
Justice must be seen also mentioned some positive things about it:
There must as far as I know, not replace air filters on it at all cool.gif
dj biggrin.gif


The problem is by officially admitting your are an idiot you are reaffirming to yourself that you are not an idiot. However, we already know you are an idiot and a self proclamation of idiocy will not change our opinion:). Welcome to the unofficial 1000ES owners club. Our petition for officiality was denied by some undesignated idiot somewhere. He wanted us to supply birthdates and social security numbers to get the official label.

We really have only a few rules, you can not post if you are asleep and only post safely.. And if you are out at night and biking, wear white.
Edited by mark haflich - 1/9/13 at 9:17am
post #3835 of 9659
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Originally Posted by d.j. View Post

Thanks audiovideoholic:)
And yes, its a hole level ( or more ) up from my 95ES ( and it better be biggrin.gif, but ofcause, it cant be made up as in "3 times" better etc. the last "small" levels allways cost a lot more - thats the "problem" with being dependent projector geek and movie lover biggrin.gif
dj

ITS whole not hole. Thank God the whole golf hole is level. Now that would be a level hole with my post dragging down the thread by a whole level. Would this be a post hole or a whole post?smile.gif
post #3836 of 9659
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Originally Posted by opv View Post

Did you change anything in the projector setup? lamp mode maybe?

No that was still in high lamp like always.

I did try switching to Cinema 1, but since I have never touched that preset it was so completely different at the default settings that it wasn't worth a comparison right now. For what its worth, it looked worse.
post #3837 of 9659
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

No that was still in high lamp like always.
I did try switching to Cinema 1, but since I have never touched that preset it was so completely different at the default settings that it wasn't worth a comparison right now. For what its worth, it looked worse.
Did you watch the same movie on your previous setup, or are you talking about the issue generally?
And another question, did you change anything in your room in the sense of light control? Like covering the leds from the devices.
post #3838 of 9659
Issue generally. It has been since May that my previous setup was active.

The room is blacker, but never had windows and had dark walls even before. The screen size is larger now though, and its not a HP screen.
post #3839 of 9659
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

The problem is by officially admitting your are an idiot you are reaffirming to yourself that you are not an idiot. However, we already know you are an idiot and a self proclomation of idiocy will not change our opinion:). Welcome to the unofficial 1000ES owners club. Our petition for officiality was denied by some undesignated idiot somewhere. He wanted us to supply birthdates and social security numbers to get the official label.
We really have only a few rules, you can not post if you are asleep and only post safely.. And if you are out at night and biking, wear white.



biggrin.gif......at least, Im a happy idiot ! rolleyes.gif

dj


BTW. no safety rules involving rubber?confused.gifwink.gif
post #3840 of 9659
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

Issue generally. It has been since May that my previous setup was active.
The room is blacker, but never had windows and had dark walls even before. The screen size is larger now though, and its not a HP screen.

I think the darker room is the answer.
In my room, even the smallest light source in the room, changes the details in dark scenes completely.
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