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1/12/13 at 2:23pm
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The only really issue re any of this is are you selecting an aspect ratio in the sony above normal that forces the panel into a mode where image is lost because the panel is not tall enough to handle it. One can zoom and put image off screen but then zoom to make the image smaller and shift it etc, so one is really changing the screen size to fit the entire image. Using 2.35 and feeding 1.78, you will cut off and lose forever the top and bottom of the fame. not a lot of it but some. what you gain in return is use of all the pixels instead 93% (about) of them. I think as dr. Milller says the image quality might be a little better using the full width. I run my setting at normal zoom and do not use the full panel width. ..But that doesn't make it right or wrong. Its a choice I have 2 college basketball games to watch starting at noon and then 2 NFL playoff games. I'll be watching about 12 hours straight today. I will be relishing the image which makes me feel like I am ewatching the game live but close up.The broadcasts are 1.78 and my aspect ratio on the sony (zoom) will be set to norml and the entire screen will be filled but I will not be lighting 7% of the pixels (3.5% either side) but I will not be losing any part of the image. That's it. Works for me.


Another little point ( for the sick testing people like me redface.gif ) if you keep it in normal, and put up a single pixel on/off in 1080P , it can scale it "perfect" and resolve every on/off pixel ( even with or without RC ), that cant be done in 2.35 :1 zoom mode or 1.85:1 mode, both off them make "funny" patterns and do not resolve and show one pixel off then one pixel on - meaning the normal mode will put a sharpere and more defined picture without any overscan ( = not losing any real image information and sharpness - "just" 7 % light ). On the other hand, if someone needs every lumen/ ft-L they can find, they should probely use 2.35/1.85:1 mode like wolfgang M. did, because off his very big screen ( not sure he do anymore, because now he use a A-lens !?)

I prefer the normal mode to and in 2D most people will have "enought" ( exists the scenario at all wink.gifbiggrin.gif ) light anyway, unless they have very big screens ( over 4 -5 m wide ) or/and ekstreme low gain´s ?

Pick your poison smile.gif

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post #3872 of 4489
1/12/13 at 4:59pm
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

The only really issue re any of this is are you selecting an aspect ratio in the sony above normal that forces the panel into a mode where image is lost because the panel is not tall enough to handle it. One can zoom and put image off screen but then zoom to make the image smaller and shift it etc, so one is really changing the screen size to fit the entire image. Using 2.35 and feeding 1.78, you will cut off and lose forever the top and bottom of the fame. not a lot of it but some. what you gain in return is use of all the pixels instead 93% (about) of them. I think as dr. Milller says the image quality might be a little better using the full width. I run my setting at normal zoom and do not use the full panel width. ..But that doesn't make it right or wrong. Its a choice I have 2 college basketball games to watch starting at noon and then 2 NFL playoff games. I'll be watching about 12 hours straight today. I will be relishing the image which makes me feel like I am ewatching the game live but close up.The broadcasts are 1.78 and my aspect ratio on the sony (zoom) will be set to norml and the entire screen will be filled but I will not be lighting 7% of the pixels (3.5% either side) but I will not be losing any part of the image. That's it. Works for me.

I am. I'm running sky HD movies which are in 16:9 on my 1:85:1 screen. I'm selecting 2:35 which zooms the pic out, then zooming it back a bit to fit the screen. I'm then dropping the picture down to the bottom of the screen leaving a black bar at the top. But that doesn't bother me. Thank you for your explanation. I get it now.
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post #3873 of 4489
1/12/13 at 5:03pm
Is Hubble 3D amazing or what? My new demo disc.
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post #3874 of 4489
1/12/13 at 6:28pm
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

No. its not enough of a problem in my eyes to send it back. i would ask others to check it out on ESPN. I have no clue as it being projector specific. i wonder if it might be FIOS specific to the sony?

Oh, no not enough of a problem for returning by any means. I had other issues but brought this one up as well and nobody else at the time experienced what I was experiencing.

My current pj doesn't exhibit the jumping though, at least not in the modes I've set for tv which I'm pretty sure are set just like the first unit.
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post #3875 of 4489
1/13/13 at 8:27am
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The switch from HP has something to do with what you see now. That material despite its many positive attributes tends to hide certain details that the projector can display with the right set up and screen. These are subtle aspects of PQ that many people just can't see with their HP screens.

HI Mark. Just curious, what does the surface of the screen you have feel like or have for protection if you ever need to clean small blemish or bug mark left? Do they give you cleaning instructions?

Why I ask is my old 2.8HP has a pretty robust sealing coat on it but after a few years if I cleaned one of those small blemishes as directed, it left a slightly brighter spot in that place where cleaned. So I started a thread in the Screen forum asking for direction on how best to do a whole screen clean, and it seems on the HP with that smooth surface denatured alcohol is best with sufficiently damp or wet micro fibre cloth. But it is still tricky to get last remaining faint marks off from where the wipes are. They kind of get moved around. Almost have it though, now. Overall it looks better than with the bright spots, created by using same soft rags with only water and mild soap. The water especially seems to leave faint deposit line at the edge of the cleaned area where it dries. That's why I'm just curious with your Sno Matte material, how it's going to work if you ever have to clean small spot.
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post #3876 of 4489
1/13/13 at 8:39am
I have never had to clean it. I did clean my Stewart 130 with a soft cloth and some reversed osmosis water cause I thought it might need cleaning from cigar smoking in the room. but no coloration was picked up and the screen looks exactly as before. The snowmatt 100 is a very smooth uniform surface with perhaps a tiny tiny amount odf reflective mist applied to it.. If it got smudged, I would check with stewart first before I attempted to clean it.
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post #3877 of 4489
1/13/13 at 9:03am
The only thing that I use on my screen is a feather duster.
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post #3878 of 4489
1/13/13 at 10:44am
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The only thing that I use on my screen is a feather duster.

Does a feather duster do insect poo? biggrin.gif Yes ideally that's all I use as well
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post #3879 of 4489
1/13/13 at 11:14am
I can just visualize you guys dancing around your screens with a feather duster. One of the reasons I built a small in height semi oval platform in front of me screen was to keep people from touching it, so it really never gets touched. Anyhow, its off to my friend blind Bruce to watch todays game. He needs a really big screen to see anythingand then over zooms to increase the size of the players etc.He uses a Samsung SP-A800B
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post #3880 of 4489
1/13/13 at 11:29am
As for your aspect discussions I actually experiment from time to time with my screen set up. I actually like 1.85:1 Zoom with my Silverstar 120" screen with football. I know Normal should be ideal but I like how the image looks and so I put it in that mode sometimes. For Blu ray movies I have the Carada Masquerade System we use to block the gray/black bars. I may do some experimenting there some. Why not? smile.gif
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post #3881 of 4489
1/13/13 at 1:47pm
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As for your aspect discussions I actually experiment from time to time with my screen set up. I actually like 1.85:1 Zoom with my Silverstar 120" screen with football. I know Normal should be ideal but I like how the image looks and so I put it in that mode sometimes. For Blu ray movies I have the Carada Masquerade System we use to block the gray/black bars. I may do some experimenting there some. Why not? smile.gif


Yep, experimenting is fun!

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post #3882 of 4489
1/13/13 at 7:19pm
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Yep, experimenting is fun!

We did the 1.85:1 zoom with The Prestige tonight which is a 2.35 movie and it looked terrific. Close ups were sharp and of course even larger! smile.gif
I just closed the Masquerade's bars and everyone liked the results. smile.gif
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post #3883 of 4489
1/14/13 at 6:03am
Joerod. i wonder what we will hear about Odemax this week from Sundance? Have you heard anything about initial shipments of the Redray player though it will be useless without some content.

> I am really hesitant to bring this up but I can't stop myself. I just shudder whenever I hear somesome say they have a Silverstar screen. I love HP compared to my dislike of Silverstar. Silverstar has absolutely nothing goig for it except a reaworld gain or around 3. Lighting it with a Sony would be drinking Ripple and eating the finest gourmet food. I will spare you other comparisons.

I ask a general question. Is there a worse screen fabric overall than Silverstar.
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post #3884 of 4489
1/14/13 at 6:15am
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Originally Posted by d.j. View Post

Another little point ( for the sick testing people like me redface.gif ) if you keep it in normal, and put up a single pixel on/off in 1080P , it can scale it "perfect" and resolve every on/off pixel ( even with or without RC ), that cant be done in 2.35 :1 zoom mode or 1.85:1 mode, both off them make "funny" patterns and do not resolve and show one pixel off then one pixel on - meaning the normal mode will put a sharpere and more defined picture without any overscan ( = not losing any real image information and sharpness - "just" 7 % light ). On the other hand, if someone needs every lumen/ ft-L they can find, they should probely use 2.35/1.85:1 mode like wolfgang M. did, because off his very big screen ( not sure he do anymore, because now he use a A-lens !?)

I prefer the normal mode to and in 2D most people will have "enought" ( exists the scenario at all wink.gifbiggrin.gif ) light anyway, unless they have very big screens ( over 4 -5 m wide ) or/and ekstreme low gain´s ?

Pick your poison smile.gif

dj

Obviously if you do an even multiple whole or interger number scale, an on off pixel pattern can be perfectly reproduced. If your system has enough pixels and a good lens and your screen can resolve it, you will see it. So we go from 1920 x 1080 to 3840 x 2160 with a $K projector and a good screen, and the pattern remains perfect. Do an odd scale horizontally and what happens, the panel pixels remain the ame but the pattern essentially is no longer and on off pattern. Its no longer matches the panerl pixels. The width involves a lit pixel wider than the panel pixel and the space must now include an adjacent panel pixel plus the space inbetween. Disaster. It can't handle a square wave.

Fortunately, theeffect on content is nowhere as severe. the effects of the weird mapping just don't to most toappear to be visable. Many like using the full 4K pixels. Sometimes I think the picture might be a little better to at full 4K. I really don't know. I normally just everything at 4HD I really don't think it really makes much difference in real life viewing.
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post #3885 of 4489
1/14/13 at 7:14am
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Joerod. i wonder what we will hear about Odemax this week from Sundance? Have you heard anything about initial shipments of the Redray player though it will be useless without some content.

> I am really hesitant to bring this up but I can't stop myself. I just shudder whenever I hear somesome say they have a Silverstar screen. I love HP compared to my dislike of Silverstar. Silverstar has absolutely nothing goig for it except a reaworld gain or around 3. Lighting it with a Sony would be drinking Ripple and eating the finest gourmet food. I will spare you other comparisons.

I ask a general question. Is there a worse screen fabric overall than Silverstar.

They have been very tight lipped and I am not sure when it may finally come out. If it is going to be awhile I may just cancel and wait for the Sony solution. I was all for it because it was going to give some 4K content "now" but with it passing end of December and still not a word is discouraging.

As for my Silverstar let's just say I love the "pop" it adds with football and quite honestly it is pretty cool with movies. With it's higher gain we can have the lights on pretty high which is awesome for football Sundays. Movies look great to us and maybe we are all accustomed to it? I don't use it with 3D though. I have an electronic matte 1.4 white screen. It covers the Silverstar and Masquerade system. I could always try another screen but I wouldn't know which one would replace my Silverstar without a huge difference. I guess I am just so used to it. smile.gif
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1/14/13 at 2:30pm
Why don't you use it with 3D?
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1/14/13 at 4:01pm
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Why don't you use it with 3D?

Gain is too high. You get red and green push in the corners of the image.
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post #3888 of 4489
1/14/13 at 4:02pm
But it isn't bad for 2D viewing?
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1/14/13 at 5:26pm
Seegs. Have you ever seen this screen? It has an advertised gain of 6 though it really is a tad less than 3. It sorta looks like a rear projection lenticular screen. If I needed a screen and had no money, and it was offered to me for free, I would politely refuse it .HP 2.4 is a much much much better screen and a lot cheaper.
Edited by mark haflich - 1/14/13 at 5:34pm
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post #3890 of 4489
1/14/13 at 5:34pm
I've never seen it in person but I'm aware of what it is. The reason I'm asking is because he seems to be doing it backwards. Wouldn't you want to use the higher gain for 3D and a lower gain material (as this Sony is decently bright) for 2D viewing? Unless for some reason the red and green push is only there in 3D viewing?
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1/14/13 at 6:54pm
I haven't watched directv 3d in a long time, but when I went to check out some content today, my 1000 did not kick into 3d mode, just showed the side by side images. I know I can manually switch sbs on, and I checked by connecting the directv directly to the 1000 to eliminate any other potential interference, but no dice. Is this normal?
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1/14/13 at 6:58pm
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I haven't watched directv 3d in a long time, but when I went to check out some content today, my 1000 did not kick into 3d mode, just showed the side by side images. I know I can manually switch sbs on, and I checked by connecting the directv directly to the 1000 to eliminate any other potential interference, but no dice. Is this normal?

Greg - Can't be positive but I don't think SBS is auto-detected. Didn't work with the JVC at the time I had it and didn't work in my earlier Sony. There is some free SBS 3D trailers out there you can download that will likely play on the Mede8er if you want to test it.
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1/14/13 at 8:09pm
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I've never seen it in person but I'm aware of what it is. The reason I'm asking is because he seems to be doing it backwards. Wouldn't you want to use the higher gain for 3D and a lower gain material (as this Sony is decently bright) for 2D viewing? Unless for some reason the red and green push is only there in 3D viewing?

I think it causes color fringing which I think becomes more visable in 3D for a variety of reasons.importa
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1/14/13 at 8:12pm
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Greg - Can't be positive but I don't think SBS is auto-detected. Didn't work with the JVC at the time I had it and didn't work in my earlier Sony. There is some free SBS 3D trailers out there you can download that will likely play on the Mede8er if you want to test it.

I gave up watching 3D sourced by Vios. The lower resolution makes the picture very unsharp and the same material in 2D is so much better, the benfits of watching in 3D are to me clearly outweighed by the much better PQ in 2D.
Edited by mark haflich - 1/15/13 at 3:31am
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1/14/13 at 11:21pm
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

I haven't watched directv 3d in a long time, but when I went to check out some content today, my 1000 did not kick into 3d mode, just showed the side by side images. I know I can manually switch sbs on, and I checked by connecting the directv directly to the 1000 to eliminate any other potential interference, but no dice. Is this normal?

I have to be careful what order sources are powered on or I get this. I route everything through Lumagen so normally power cycling that box resets things so it works.

EDIT: just swapped out my 1000ES and now I'm having the same problem. Cannot currently trigger 3D from DirecTV, only get side-by-side. Have no trouble with BluRay 3D. Hopefully there is a setting I can tweak on the Lumagen Radiance to force it, maybe even avoiding the hoops I had to jump through before.
Edited by turls - 1/15/13 at 2:06am
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1/15/13 at 2:41am
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I have to be careful what order sources are powered on or I get this. I route everything through Lumagen so normally power cycling that box resets things so it works.

EDIT: just swapped out my 1000ES and now I'm having the same problem. Cannot currently trigger 3D from DirecTV, only get side-by-side. Have no trouble with BluRay 3D. Hopefully there is a setting I can tweak on the Lumagen Radiance to force it, maybe even avoiding the hoops I had to jump through before.

Just out of curiosity, why did you swap your unit? Having more issues?
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1/15/13 at 7:38am
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I have to be careful what order sources are powered on or I get this. I route everything through Lumagen so normally power cycling that box resets things so it works.

EDIT: just swapped out my 1000ES and now I'm having the same problem. Cannot currently trigger 3D from DirecTV, only get side-by-side. Have no trouble with BluRay 3D. Hopefully there is a setting I can tweak on the Lumagen Radiance to force it, maybe even avoiding the hoops I had to jump through before.

I'm pretty sure SBS can not be detected. I don't believe there is an issue with the projector. Unless someone can confirm otherwise. Never worked on my JVC either.
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1/15/13 at 7:42am
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Just out of curiosity, why did you swap your unit? Having more issues?

This was the same unit I have documented my issues on here, just a little slow to do the actual swap with all the guests over for must see TV and the holidays. I had lens motor jerkiness and dust blobs.

This is my third unit, both units had the motor jerkiness, although Sony says that is rare. Only the 2nd one had dust blobs but that was after it had been up for a few months so I hope it is not my environment which should be pretty good compared to many.

I think this one is a winner (knock on wood). Definitely a less noisy motor and no jerkiness, so the memory is very precise. Convergence still looks great (my first one was actually pretty bad).

Broke it in with Dredd 3D. That's about my favorite non-animated 3D film post Avatar I think. I'll have to rewatch Prometheus to be sure. Everybody that can stand the ultraviolence owes it to themselves to watch this film on the 1000ES.
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1/15/13 at 7:44am
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I'm pretty sure SBS can not be detected. I don't believe there is an issue with the projector. Unless someone can confirm otherwise. Never worked on my JVC either.

Well unless DirecTV broke it with an update, it has always worked for me with at most a little power cycling from day 1. I'll guess I'll add to the chorus of asking for suggestions? I hope it isn't the projector but that is the only thing that has changed, but all software levels are exactly the same on the PJ.

I should have tried powering down everything including the AVR and trying from scratch, but I'll try that today.

EDIT: Nothing works to get DirecTV to work in 3D. I've got one more receiver to try, but otherwise I'll have to look for other solutions.
Edited by turls - 1/15/13 at 11:25am
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1/15/13 at 9:45pm

One of my complaints with my previous pj, the JVC RS20, was how it dealt with fast motion, which I noticed most obviously in watching tennis.     In looking at the Aussie Open tonight, it's very gratifying to see that the VW1000 handles this MUCH better:   one can follow the ball even on fast serves with almost no jitter or blurring, as I had with the RS20.    Also awesome to see it on a massive screen!

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