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post #3991 of 9631
Mookie. I luv ya but at some point I have to bitch slap posters here. I have posted the latest version in this thread. At the top left of this thread there is a search this thread function. I plugged in rom 1.01 and Brians numbers came up that I previously confirmed as the latest and greatest. To get your numbers you need to enter the service menu and look at the info screen. Write em down and check the thread. No machine should leave the service facility without have the latest installed.
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Mookie. I luv ya but at some point I have to bitch slap posters here. I have posted the latest version in this thread. At the top left of this thread there is a search this thread function. I plugged in rom 1.01 and Brians numbers came up that I previously confirmed as the latest and greatest. To get your numbers you need to enter the service menu and look at the info screen. Write em down and check the thread. No machine should leave the service facility without have the latest installed.

That's fair. Found it, thanks!
post #3993 of 9631
Anyone know where I can locate the ip control protocols for the 1000?
post #3994 of 9631
As of last Friday. Amy and Rob are gone from Sony. A request to either before would have gotten the necessary info. At this point, I would contact the Sony Integrator hotline at Sony. PM AV Science Sales 5 (Mike Garret), he will give it to you if you don't have it. Amy will be replaced and Rob's duties will be integrated with someone elses. Welcome to the continually leaner and leaner Sony. No baloney. No Tofu.
Edited by mark haflich - 2/15/13 at 4:24am
post #3995 of 9631
I gather you have been contacted.
post #3996 of 9631
A old quote for a half year ago :

" I project both projectors onto my Studiotek 130 92" diagonal 16/9 ( gain 1.3 , but realistic arround: 1.1 - it´s microperf ) side by side and then on same spot where I just covered the other projector in turn. I didnt use a lot off time to optimize the meter reading, so again I probely could squeze a little higher number out of both. the distance from projectors to screen was 3,7 m ( screen wide was 2,03 m )

The measurement was with 100% white ( 235 ) windows:

My 95ES with 620 H on lamp in low 13 fL and on high 20 fL

The 1000 with 170 H on lamp in low 24,5 fL and on high 34,5 fL ( with 254/109% I did get about 54,3 fL - dont put to much in the on/of, because I dont think the meter is very good/precise at measuring so close to black )

dj[/quote]




Info/fun ( to much sparetime, wife sleeps etc. biggrin.gif )

I have measurred a little on my new / own projector to compare against the one, I had to test six months earlier :

First to say, that I changed the screen to a SR AT CP2 wink.gif - short: a neutral wowen 0.95 gain screen, but measured at almost same size ( 94" 16/9 versus 92" at that time ), distance from proj to screen now 3,8 m ( before 3,7m - had to move it 10cm back mad.gif :

Calibreted to D65 in Ref mode custom 3 , gamma at 2.35, no clipping to 251 and at 100 % white ( 235 ) with 120 H on lamp and iris off , and "normal mode" = 3840x2160 :

in low: 27 FLt ( with iris full : 26FLt )
in high: 38 FLt ( with iris full: 37 FLt ) ( so over 40% brighter in high mode )

And compered to the Studiotek, with a lower gain screen ( 20 -30 % less output i think )

with a 109 % ( 254 ) window around: 46 FLt ( same as if I adjusted contrast to 98 = clipping around 238 with a 100% (235) white window , insted of the 88 I have it at, and no clipping ).


I then tried with a screen size at 110" wide 16/9 ( diag. 126" ), at short through ( 3,8m from 280 cm wide screen/ close as possible to the screen for that size - still with 100 ( 235 ) and no clipping:

Low: 17 FLt
high: 25 FLt
Again over 45% brighter in high mode smile.gif

with clipping at 238 ( contrast set to 98 )
low: 20 FLt
high: 30 FLt
So in generel it gives arround 20% more light, if clip at 238 instedt off 251 ( I dont personally do that, I like to have WTW smile.gif )

I then tried to use the full panel ( 4096x2160 ) = put it in 2.35 zoom mode and zoomed down to same size ( 110" wide ), first without clip ( 100% / 235):
low: 19 FLt
High: 28 FLt

And again with clipping at 238 ( contrast set to 98 )
low: 24 FLt
high: 34 FLt

so in generel about 12 % increase in light output when use it full panel ( thats was more then I expected too ! )



I must say that I get more light increase then I expected in the different modes :

high mode over 45 % more then low mode
with clipping about 20 % more then without clipping ( 238 versus 251 )
with full panel about 12 % more then with normal ( but scaling takes a small hit here - not that I can see it smile.gif, other then on one pixel on/off test patterns )

For fun I made a small picture from the 3,8 m through distance ( about 60" wide picture ) on the 0.95 gain screen with high lamp, clip at 238 ( contrast at 98 ), using the full panel and got 85 FLt biggrin.gif
going to be fun when I get the high gain screen up and measure that rolleyes.gifbiggrin.gif


3D brightness in 94" and 110" wide is still lower then I want ( the reason the high gain screen gos up too ) , so the glasses do take a lot off the light output ( I use it in standard mode, because it then is just about completly ghostfree and shows no colorbanding, what it can do in the high setting !? confused.gif ( especially visible on "Sammy´s ") anybody seen that on theirs ?
tested it with Sony glasses, Monsters 3D and expand 103.

sorry for the long post, but what can I say .......I like to measure ( AND love to see movies wink.gif ) - I confess Im a HTnerd redface.gif


dj
Edited by d.j. - 11/30/13 at 8:55am
post #3997 of 9631

Can you actually watch the screen with 85 ftL coming off it?

post #3998 of 9631
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Originally Posted by d.j. View Post


3D brightness in 94" and 110" wide is still lower then I want ( the reason the high gain screen gos up too ) , so the glasses do take a lot off the light output ( I use it in standard mode, because it then is just about completly ghostfree and shows no colorbanding, what it can do in the high setting !? confused.gif ( especially visible on "Sammy´s ") anybody seen that on theirs ?
tested it with Sony glasses, Monsters 3D and expand 103.

sorry for the long post, but what can I say .......I like to measure ( AND love to see movies wink.gif ) - I confess Im a HTnerd redface.gif


dj

dj - check your PM. If you get a chance, let me know how the patterns look + the 3D lumens on the 100 IRE screen.
post #3999 of 9631
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

As of last Friday. Amy and Rob are gone from Sony. A request to eithe rbefore would have gotten the necessary info. At this point, I would contact the Sony Integrator hotline at Sony. PM AV Science Sales 5 (Mike Garret), he will give it to you if you don't have it. Amy will be replaced and Rob's duties will be integrated with someone elses. Welcome to the continually leaner and leaner Sony. No baloney. No Tofu.

Wow. I guess the PM I sent this week to Amy won't get answered then and nobody will be watching this thread behind the scenes. I got great support from both of them.
post #4000 of 9631
Turls. Amy still cares and she has been in contact with me. She left voluntarily to take a career advancing job. I have contact numbers that one can get ES info and help from at Sony. She still is a member of the forum and I suspect she will answer a PM from you. PM me if you need the sony ES contact number. If you need help, I would call there.
post #4001 of 9631
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

Can you actually watch the screen with 85 ftL coming off it?



Actully yes biggrin.gif , not a problem, the picture is just all to small to impress - it just look like an overcooked tv biggrin.gif

But yes, it was just a fun test to see, how much light I could squeeze out off it, going to bee fun to test the same , when I get to put my High gain screen up again ( and in 3D , it was not to much anyway - just wonderfull bright wink.gif )

dj
post #4002 of 9631
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

dj - check your PM. If you get a chance, let me know how the patterns look + the 3D lumens on the 100 IRE screen.



Have not had time to measure more, but did look at the 30% , 80 % and 100% test patterns and compared them with the same in 2D - and they are ( as expected ) clearly less bright in 3D then in 2D, and thats even without glasses on, so I think Ron has a good point with the dark frame insertet, they loose output because off that. I think the pulsating lamp tecnologic in the 30, 50 and 95Es is a smart way , to get it more effective - that probely a thing for the next 1000Es Mark 2 smile.gif

But I must still say that the 1000ES is still clearly brighter then my old 95ES ( probely because it has over 2 times more output from the start ) , and the 3D quality is much better too ( and ghosting allmost non exsistent in the Standard mode )

Can some off your other with the 1000ES sometime see heavy colorbanding ( 8 bits color Quantifications error ) in the high mode and a little more ghosting ? ( still extreme less off ghosting ), and when switch to standard mode it disapear allmost completly confused.gif

As a other has said, the angel you look trought the glasses is a factor too - the Sony glasses are sensitive to heads movement in vertical plane ( if you tilt your head/ ears closer to the shoulders ) , the Monsters if you tilt head up and down ( "nods" ) , the expand´s I havent testet yest smile.gif

But to put it in perspective - the 3D is very satisfactory, but if you want over 100" picture very nice bright, you still need a high gain screen.

Z10K

I'll get measured it, but take a little time.redface.gif


dj
post #4003 of 9631
Ah. I had to read it twice. The angel you look through is really the angle of the lens on the 3D Sony glsasses. I read somewhere that Sony has a fix. An additional clip on filter bfor the alreadty filtered 3D glasses to stop color changes by moving your head.


Last night my wife (my angel) and I watched Skyfall . Non DCI film mode with the Darbee on and custom calibrated to rec709 color. It was so much better than in the commercial theater we first saw it at. Nice blacks, shots of shadow detail. other detail enhanced by Darbee really nice colors though dramaically different with eitherb eye closed in my case but still OK fior me but not right with both eyes open. But I wanted the colors to be right for my wife so i didn't use my my eyes calibration.

Highly recommended reference test disc for your Sony.
Edited by mark haflich - 2/16/13 at 3:10pm
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Ah. I had top read it twice. The angel you look through is really the angle of the lens on the 3D Sony glsasses. I read somewhere that Sony has a fix. An additional clip on filter bfor the alreadty filtered 3D glasses to stop color changes by moving your head.


Last night my wife (my angel) and I watched Skyfall . Non DCI film mode with the Darbee on and custom calibrated to rec709 color. It was so much better than in the commercial theater we first saw it at. Nice blacks, shots of shadow detail. other detail enhanced by Darbee really nice colors though dramaically different with eitherb eye closed in my case but still OK fior me but not right with both eyes open. But I wanted the colors to be right for my wife so i didn't use my my eyes calibration.

Highly recommended reference test disc for your Sony.

Yes, very good quality PQ, but I thought the movie itself was not as good as the 2 previous David Craig Bonds' movies.    Hope they've not run out of ideas on how to keep it innovative story-wise.

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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Ah. I had to read it twice. The angel you look through is really the angle of the lens on the 3D Sony glsasses. I read somewhere that Sony has a fix. An additional clip on filter bfor the alreadty filtered 3D glasses to stop color changes by moving your head.


Last night my wife (my angel) and I watched Skyfall . Non DCI film mode with the Darbee on and custom calibrated to rec709 color. It was so much better than in the commercial theater we first saw it at. Nice blacks, shots of shadow detail. other detail enhanced by Darbee really nice colors though dramaically different with eitherb eye closed in my case but still OK fior me but not right with both eyes open. But I wanted the colors to be right for my wife so i didn't use my my eyes calibration.

Highly recommended reference test disc for your Sony.


I remember that too Mark, it was one off the first with a 1000Es ( maybee Bremen1 ? ) wich get a click on round filter to put on the projector - I will try to investigate later.

dj
post #4006 of 9631
Bad news. Bad news. the server Sony is suppying those who purchase their 4K 84 incher will worl only with that specific pane; No one elses panel and not with any 1000ES. It is [rotected by serial number etc.

a reviewer friend of mine who is not present here on these forum owns a 1000ES and was loaned the loaber server by Sony for a review. It wouldn't work and Sony didn't really know it at first. So Sony lent him the server it used a shows which has the Spyderman trailer, Timescaapes, and a few other bits and pieces. I will go out to his house and view it on his 1000ES. But the quality of the content is not that hot, might be only 8 bit. The best piece he tells me is a train clip. So now we must wait for Sony to come out with its fore sale server and content. The other option is if Red someday ships its redray player, like everything red it gets delayed and if Odemax actually happens which I douibt at this point.
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Bad news. Bad news. the server Sony is suppying those who purchase their 4K 84 incher will worl only with that specific pane; No one elses panel and not with any 1000ES. It is [rotected by serial number etc.

a reviewer friend of mine who is not present here on these forum owns a 1000ES and was loaned the loaber server by Sony for a review. It wouldn't work and Sony didn't really know it at first. So Sony lent him the server it used a shows which has the Spyderman trailer, Timescaapes, and a few other bits and pieces. I will go out to his house and view it on his 1000ES. But the quality of the content is not that hot, might be only 8 bit. The best piece he tells me is a train clip. So now we must wait for Sony to come out with its fore sale server and content. The other option is if Red someday ships its redray player, like everything red it gets delayed and if Odemax actually happens which I douibt at this point.

Geez yeah, that's a bummer Mark. No wonder my Sony contact here hasn't got back to me about the loaner servers.. And "Red-'d'ray" wink.gif player as you say when it ships some day and Odemax happens... that's a lotta ifs right now. Def sounds like we may all be waiting for Sony's retail server to come out mid year.
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Sony has a press event in NYC in just two days (Wed. Feb. 20th) where they are expected to announce plans for the PS4. There has been a lot of speculation that it will serve as a 4K player on the upcoming Sony 4K movie download network. So perhaps in less than 48 hours we may know more (or not) about Sony's plans for getting 4K movies (and games) into consumer's homes.

HERE is one of many stories on this topic.
post #4009 of 9631
Reading that story pretty much confirns the status of 4K movie content delivery and the unlikely hood thatquality 4K will be treamable in the near future. It might be trandsmittable over the internet to be stored rather than played live so to speak, but data caps present sevee obstacals not to mention data costs. r
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Reading that story pretty much confirns the status of 4K movie content delivery and the unlikely hood thatquality 4K will be treamable in the near future. It might be trandsmittable over the internet to be stored rather than played live so to speak, but data caps present sevee obstacals not to mention data costs. r

Data caps are the ultimate "genie back in the bottle", but I really don't see why with the new codecs this is going to be an insurmountable issue vs. what is happening now with streaming and other content for the connected home. Of course, I have been lucky so far to not be imprisoned by data caps.

And if I do get any sob stories from my regional ISPs about it (I have contacts well up the chain at both), my first question is why haven't you implemented Netflix' Open Connect?
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Data caps are the ultimate "genie back in the bottle", but I really don't see why with the new codecs this is going to be an insurmountable issue vs. what is happening now with streaming and other content for the connected home. Of course, I have been lucky so far to not be imprisoned by data caps.

Other than certain ComCast tier plans what ISP caps data in the United States?
post #4012 of 9631
PS4K.... I like the sound of that!
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Other than certain ComCast tier plans what ISP caps data in the United States?

This article outlines some of the ISP's that have data caps, it's more than I thought.


http://gigaom.com/2012/10/01/data-caps-chart/

Verizon FIOS doesn't now, but they will once people start downloading massive files. It's a conflict of interest for their main bread & butter, selling cable content and streaming movies.

ideally, the next gen PS4 would be suited to play back 100+ GB next gen high capacity BD's so we can be done with the streaming speculation.
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ideally, the next gen PS4 would be suited to play back 100+ GB next gen high capacity BD's so we can be done with the streaming speculation.

..............If not the 4k data could be issued on 2 or more current BD disks, the data loaded into the PS4's hard drive and played from there.
post #4015 of 9631
That would be possible but the PS4 wouild have to have a lot of storage capacity and the current bluray spec is 8 bit and not the needed 10 or 12 bit.
Edited by mark haflich - 2/19/13 at 3:14pm
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That would be possible but thhe PS4 wouild have to have a lot of storage capacity and the current bluray spec is 8 bit and not the needed 10 or 12 bit.

Actually it could be distributed on a Blu-ray data disc format and in that case the video file could use whatever codec and with whatever bid-depth were desired as long as the PS4 has the correct decoder (i.e., codec) to playback that video file. The PS4 might either diectly read the file from the optical disc on perhaps only after the Ultra HD video file has been transferred to the PS4's internal HDD. I would guess that the planned production schedule for production of PS4s will, in part, limit what 4K capabilities the PS4 will actually have (if any). If it is not to be released until very late this year, then HDMI 2.0 chips may be available (according to the Broadcom CEO). However the same statement from the Broadcom CEO indicated that fully capable HEVC decoder chips (supporting 4K at 60Hz) will not be available in production quantities until next year (at least from his company). Perhaps the PS4's hardware will allow HEVC to be implemented using a combination of hardware plus decoder software, similar to the approach used with the PS3 for supporting blu-rays. Perhaps the PS4 will ship supporting HEVC for 4K video but limited to 24Hz, but subsequent updates will add decoding for higher refresh rates, increased color depth, etc. You may recall that when Sony released the PS3 back in Nov. 2006 they had HDMI chips that only supported a subset of HDMI 1.3 requirements (fully compliant HDMI 1.3 chips only became available a few months later) and even with this hardware limitation Sony was later able to provide firmware updates to add support for a number of things including eventually support for 3D which involved adding support for both a new video codec and the essential features of HDMI 1.4. Perhaps Sony will be able to get an initial, but perhaps in some ways a limited version, of HDMI 2.0 chips that at least support the increased bandwidth and the key essential hardware features of this new version of HDMI. Also the PS4 may very well come equipped with a blu-ray drive that can read 3 or 4 layer discs (quad layer burners are already available at reasonable prices in some countries - example is HERE). We certainly have lots of speculation about what might, or might not, be in the works for the PS4, and perhaps tomorrow we may have at least some answers directly from Sony. However, even after the Sony event tomorrow I suspect we will have many unanswered technical questions even if Sony does announce support for playback of 4K movies downloaded from the Sony network and/or loaded via a blu-ray disc.
Edited by Ron Jones - 2/19/13 at 3:04pm
post #4017 of 9631
Okay, there are almost none pictures in this thread smile.gif

To get the time going, to the news about PS4K.............................



Here a few screenshoots, just for fun - NOT to seriously evalute picture quality or RC from a 1000ES ( .......Kevin3000 , are you reading this wink.gifbiggrin.gif - especially when it's me who has taken pictures tongue.gif )

And yes, I just toke a consumer camera ( DSC-HX20 ) , pointed it to the screen in auto mode redface.gif and push the button ( no, Im not a photonerd rolleyes.gif )


This is without RC and with RC at minimum setting from a PS3






Some more






And in 3D from the Oppo 93 with the Sony glasses in standard mode ( "low" ) on my 0.95 gain AT screen






dj
post #4018 of 9631
I going to predict the PS4 will be the first real consumer level 4K dilivery platform...

I think it will have a 4K blu-ray drive with up to 250GB disks.
And 4K digital delivery system.

You need to remember it was PS3 that won the HD format war in the first place.

PS4 is going to be 7 year+ tech again, and no reason for Sony not to blow it out of the park again... wink.gif

They want 4K to succeed, they need PS4 to be 4K...

There will be about 2 million customers on PS4 day one of release that now have 4K players... Why not get a 4K TV now... See where I am going with this?
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Originally Posted by SOWK View Post

I going to predict the PS4 will be the first real consumer level 4K dilivery platform...

I think it will have a 4K blu-ray drive with up to 250GB disks.
And 4K digital delivery system.

You need to remember it was PS3 that won the HD format war in the first place.

PS4 is going to be 7 year+ tech again, and no reason for Sony not to blow it out of the park again... wink.gif

They want 4K to succeed, they need PS4 to be 4K...

There will be about 2 million customers on PS4 day one of release that now have 4K players... Why not get a 4K TV now... See where I am going with this?

The problem is with that logic is that Sony sacrificed being the leader in the last next gen console wars when they decided that every PS3 would have a new next gen drive inside of it. Those drives were a big part of the $600 price tag at launch. The question is does Sony want to go on that path again. I am sure it will feature some type of 4K features, but I highly doubt that it is going to have a next gen BD drive. The BDA hasn't even officially made a standard for a 4K disc.
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And they are not that close to a standard yet. One dosen't get the feeling that there is any urgency for action. And there is debate about whether HDMI despite the coming new standard should be the 4K carrier according to industry insiders posting on AV Science.'

Sony can't afford to sit. Its survival as a hardware company may very nuch depend on the success of PS4.'
Edited by mark haflich - 2/20/13 at 10:03am
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