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post #5131 of 9742
On thing people seem to be missing is that the VW1000 does already handle secure content (i.e. what's on current Blu-ray discs). It will need the update to work the latest security. Sony is going to take care of the VW1000 customers, we just don't know how it is going to be done yet.
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post #5132 of 9742
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

I have been told to return the X1 so I am pretty sure there will be a revised edition of sorts for us. Hey, that was my idea last week! Then we don't have to ship our 1000s in.

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If you are being serious, a "revised edition of sorts" does nothing for compatibility with HDMI 2.x. Not sure why all the focus on this one puck, when the actual HDMI 2.x equipment comes out, the puck will be a dim memory. I think we are still going to have to get an upgrade board and/or send it in.
post #5133 of 9742
http://community.sony.com/t5/4K-Ultra-HD-TV/vpl-vw1000es-and-fmp-x1-compatability/td-p/146525

I don't think this exact link was posted. Nothing new, unless this thread is added to.
post #5134 of 9742
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Originally Posted by turls View Post

http://community.sony.com/t5/4K-Ultra-HD-TV/vpl-vw1000es-and-fmp-x1-compatability/td-p/146525

I don't think this exact link was posted. Nothing new, unless this thread is added to.

For those too lazy to click the link:
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Thank you for your comments about the 4K UHD Media Player and your Sony VPL-VW1000ES projector. We value you as a customer and want to respond directly. As you may or may not know, the VPL-VW1000ES projector was designed and built over two years ago, based on the industry standards in existence at that time. That projector is still the cutting-edge projector that it was designed to be, and will display unsecured 4K video and upscale HD video to an outstanding image.

The new Sony 4K UHD media player is designed to allow customers to have access to some of the latest 4K movies and TV shows and uses the latest industry standards to deliver secure signals to the display devices. While our newest 4K UHD TV’s were able to incorporate the new technology as soon as it became available, earlier products such as the VPL-VW1000ES will require an update to interface with the new server.

As a valued customer, please be assured we will meet your expectations to provide a path for you to enjoy 4K content from a player to work with the VPL-VW1000ES. Details of the program to interface to a 4K media player will be announced and implemented as the Video Unlimited 4K download service is launched later this summer. Thank you for your patience.
post #5135 of 9742
Well, I might have finally figured out the mystery of why the "cheap" PS3 3D glasses work for some and not others. I got around to hooking up the external emitter and for the first time the PS3 glasses worked for me. They do not seem to be as sensitive to the sync as the glasses that come with the unit. Now my problem is trying to get a permanent way to mount that emitter where it will work. I don't think I am going to be able to get that to work in the rear of the room at all.

Supposedly this emitter requires Cat 7 cable and that is what I tested with.
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Originally Posted by turls View Post

Well, I might have finally figured out the mystery of why the "cheap" PS3 3D glasses work for some and not others. I got around to hooking up the external emitter and for the first time the PS3 glasses worked for me. They do not seem to be as sensitive to the sync as the glasses that come with the unit. Now my problem is trying to get a permanent way to mount that emitter where it will work. I don't think I am going to be able to get that to work in the rear of the room at all.

Supposedly this emitter requires Cat 7 cable and that is what I tested with.

Many people have used cat5 for short runs of around 20'.
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post #5137 of 9742
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Originally Posted by turls View Post

http://community.sony.com/t5/4K-Ultra-HD-TV/vpl-vw1000es-and-fmp-x1-compatability/td-p/146525

I don't think this exact link was posted. Nothing new, unless this thread is added to.

Nothing new other than Sony has plainly stated that an upgrade path will be provided so that VW1000ES owners can see secured 4K content.
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post #5138 of 9742
The Nanotech Nuvola NP-1 4K media player is supposed to launch today.

The CEO of Nanotach David R. Foley has been Twittering a lot about this.
He claims 4K streaming at 9Mb/s, but it is adaptive so it can stream faster when faster connection is available.

Here is the motherboard;
https://twitter.com/davidrfoley/status/339776943727706112/photo/1

Using H.264; https://twitter.com/davidrfoley/status/332949279285080064/photo/1

Streaming 4K @ 5.8Mb/s https://vine.co/v/b3XBb2gwXLB
And Android; https://vine.co/v/b3X5PLFUi2q

Only 4K content he shows, on the many Vine video snaps he link to at his Twitter account, are some 4K demo from China or Taiwan. I have seen the origin of the demo clips before, but I don't remember who made them. One is Tagged with Taiwanese panel maker Chimei/Innolux.

Some kind of investment board has gathered some of the info released about this; http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=89905505

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post #5139 of 9742
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Originally Posted by coolscan View Post

The Nanotech Nuvola NP-1 4K media player is supposed to launch today.

Here is what has been announced today so far.

http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/NTEK/news?id=65955

Should be many announcements today!
post #5140 of 9742
Given that 1080p is overly compressed using h.264 encoding at 5.8 Mbps (blu-rays can go up to 40+ Mbps using h.264 encoding for 1080p plus audio), how bad do you think 4K is going to be at only 5.8 Mbps? Redray is talking about 20 Mbps using a their more advanced (wavelet?) compression scheme for 4K and it appears Sony is going to use h.264, or perhaps h.265/HEVC, at data rates in the range of blu-rays or a little higher for their 4K download service.



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Edited by Ron Jones - 7/15/13 at 8:08am
post #5141 of 9742
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

Given that 1080p is overly compressed using h.264 encoding at 5.8 Mbps (blu-rays can go up to 40+ Mbps using h.264 encoding for 1080p plus audio), how bad do you think 4K is going to be at only 5.8 Mbps?

Oh, things are looking up...

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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

Given that 1080p is overly compressed using h.264 encoding at 5.8 Mbps (blu-rays can go up to 40+ Mbps using h.264 encoding for 1080p plus audio), how bad do you think 4K is going to be at only 5.8 Mbps? Redray is talking about 20 Mbps using a their more advanced (wavelet?) compression scheme for 4K and it appears Sony is going to use h.264, or perhaps h.265/HEVC, at data rates in the range of blu-rays or a little higher for their 4K download service.
The RedRay encoders premium setting is 18Mb/s. Cinema quality setting is 36Mb/s. It also has a setting for 9Mb/s, which supposedly looks OK on smaller screens.

4K sources compress easier and can be compressed harder than 2K sources with less artefacts.

But 5.8Mb/s I would say is pushing it. Maybe good for a mobile or Pad.

I think we will see a lot of material with the 4K Tag, which is a sign of content providers that are more interested in throwing themselves into a "4K" hype and "diluting" 4K, than really caring about real 4K and quality.

Nanotech hasn't yet announced what kind of 4K sources they are going to get their 4K material from, but seeing the content partners they have announced, my hopes are really low for any chance they are going to release any real 4K.

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post #5143 of 9742
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Originally Posted by coolscan View Post

The RedRay encoders premium setting is 18Mb/s. Cinema quality setting is 36Mb/s. It also has a setting for 9Mb/s, which supposedly looks OK on smaller screens.

4K sources compress easier and can be compressed harder than 2K sources with less artefacts.

But 5.8Mb/s I would say is pushing it. Maybe good for a mobile or Pad.

I think we will see a lot of material with the 4K Tag, which is a sign of content providers that are more interested in throwing themselves into a "4K" hype and "diluting" 4K, than really caring about real 4K and quality.

Nanotech hasn't yet announced what kind of 4K sources they are going to get their 4K material from, but seeing the content partners they have announced, my hopes are really low for any chance they are going to release any real 4K.

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I agree with you, was the conclusion that I came to Friday, once I read up on them.
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post #5144 of 9742
Milestone #1; First successful HDMI upgrade on a TV and FMP-1X player working. (parts pictures)

Milestone #2; FMP-1X player connected to TV and working, without needing a HDMI board upgrade.
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post #5145 of 9742
Milestone No. 3. You got his humor.
post #5146 of 9742
OK. Its past 7 PM PCDST. No press release that I can find from Nanotech about the availability of the Nuvato NP-1. They promised availability today and now I suspect they will spin that the original press release didn't mean what it said and that is they only said they would have a press release talking about ordering and availability. More vapor ware and now we will get some BS about not getting a BS press release today because they need time to get all 8 zillion content providing partners to sign off. They must think all of us are fools along with their investors. Why can't they just say there will be a delay of X days before product becomes available. Maybe such a statement would adversely affect the value of their stock. Better to blame delay on their content partners needing to sign off . Don't you get tired of all the BS in this industry? They should adopt reds slogan. Coming soon! That would buy them 6 months.


And that's what they did. Coming in August, preorder now.
Edited by mark haflich - 7/16/13 at 5:43am
post #5147 of 9742
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

OK. Its past 7 PM PCDST. No press release from Nanotech about the availability of the Nuvato NP-1. They promised availability today and now I suspect they will spin that the original press release didn't mean what it said and that is they only said they would have a press release talking about ordering and availability. More vapor ware and now we will get some BS about not getting a BS press release today because they need time to get all 8 zillion content providing partners to sign off. They must think all of us are fools along with their investors. Why can't they just say there will be a delay of X days before product becomes available. Maybe such a statement would adversely affect the value of their stock. Better to blame delay on their content partners needing to sign off . Don't you get tired of all the BS in this industry? They should adopt reds slogan. Coming soon! That would buy them 6 months.

They do indeed sound like a dodgy tech start up. I just can't see an unknown manufacturer like them pulling serious content deals with the Hollywood 'majors' out of their arses somehow... 2013 is shaping up to be a real cracker of year for 4K vaporware(etc) media devices! rolleyes.gif
post #5148 of 9742
Nanotech did in fact managed at least to produce a press release and a web site for Nuvola NP-1 player, with Pre-Order ($299.00).

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NanoTech Entertainment announced that it has selected the NVIDIA® Tegra® 4 mobile processor as the basis for its new 4K Ultra HD players. Incorporating 72 custom NVIDIA GeForce® GPU cores and the first quad-core ARM Cortex-A15 CPU, Tegra 4 delivers record levels of performance and battery life, along with outstanding graphics.

Tegra 4 offers native 4K video support in hardware, including support for security and digital rights management with features including HDCP.

NanoTech is now taking pre-orders for the Nuvola family of products. Consumers will be able to order the Nuvola, and other NanoTech consumer products from Amazon later this month. NanoTech will also be rolling out its own corporate retail outlets at select shopping malls across the United States, starting with the San Jose, California location, opening in August. For more information or to reserve your pre-order today, visit www.nuvola4k.com.

REUTERS

Upgradeable
The Nuvola NP-1 supports current 4K UltraHD video using the H.264 compression, and will be automatically updated with the latest H.265 (HEVC) codecs as they become available.


They seems to have made this in two different boxes, with the same internals; Nuvola NP-1 and Nuvola NP-C.


Some of the Tech Specs;
  • Processor: NVIDIA Tegra 4 Quad Core Mobile Processor with 2GB DDR3 RAM
  • Internal Storage: 16GB Flash Memory
  • Bluetooth: 4.0
  • Output: HDMI 1.4 output w/Audio
  • I/O: 1x USB 2.0 / 1x USB 3.0
  • External Storage: MicroSD Slot
  • Operating System: Android 4.2 Jelly Bean OS
  • Preinstalled Video Apps: NanoTech Video Player, NetFlix, Hulu, Fun Little Movies, VODWiz, Amazon Prime, YouTube, IMDB, NanoTales, XBMC
  • Bundled Movies: 10

The important part, like 4K Content? Of course not a word on any kind of content. rolleyes.gif

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Edited by coolscan - 7/16/13 at 5:24am
post #5149 of 9742
The heck with all this...

I'm stacking a second 1000, getting a second Oppo, buying two copies of every blu-ray, and offsetting the projectors one pixel horizontally and vertically...that should massively increase my resolution and get around all these obstacles!

Mark, you in?!
post #5150 of 9742
I am already doing this.
post #5151 of 9742
Me too.. calling dealer now..
post #5152 of 9742
We'll have to start a new thread!

And passive 3d cannot be far behind for us!
post #5153 of 9742
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Originally Posted by coolscan View Post

Nanotech did in fact managed at least to produce a press release and a web site for Nuvola NP-1 player, with Pre-Order ($299.00).

Excerpt;
Upgradeable
The Nuvola NP-1 supports current 4K UltraHD video using the H.264 compression, and will be automatically updated with the latest H.265 (HEVC) codecs as they become available.


They seems to have made this in two different boxes, with the same internals; Nuvola NP-1 and Nuvola NP-C.


Some of the Tech Specs;
  • Processor: NVIDIA Tegra 4 Quad Core Mobile Processor with 2GB DDR3 RAM
  • Internal Storage: 16GB Flash Memory
  • Bluetooth: 4.0
  • Output: HDMI 1.4 output w/Audio
  • I/O: 1x USB 2.0 / 1x USB 3.0
  • External Storage: MicroSD Slot
  • Operating System: Android 4.2 Jelly Bean OS
  • Preinstalled Video Apps: NanoTech Video Player, NetFlix, Hulu, Fun Little Movies, VODWiz, Amazon Prime, YouTube, IMDB, NanoTales, XBMC
  • Bundled Movies: 10

The important part, like 4K Content? Of course not a word on any kind of content. rolleyes.gif

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It looks like the C is for a rack system.

I ordered one. Weather it is good or bad, I will have to wait on to find out but when the projector costs $$$, what is another $299.
post #5154 of 9742
And on the news of Nanotech's ground-breaking roll-out...

http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/NTEK/news
post #5155 of 9742
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

The heck with all this...

I'm stacking a second 1000, getting a second Oppo, buying two copies of every blu-ray, and offsetting the projectors one pixel horizontally and vertically...that should massively increase my resolution and get around all these obstacles!

Mark, you in?!

Hmm I think we should name this method S-shift (I'm trademarking that by the way!) advertise it as 8k!!
post #5156 of 9742
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Hmm I think we should name this method S-shift (I'm trademarking that by the way!) advertise it as 8k!!

Come on, give me some credit now...perhaps Thrangavision...
post #5157 of 9742
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And on the news of Nanotech's ground-breaking roll-out...

http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/NTEK/news

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Come on, give me some credit now...perhaps Thrangavision...

Thrang, you are on a roll today. smile.gif How many shares did you buy? At that rate, five more grand breaking announcements and they will have a share price near zero.
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post #5158 of 9742
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Thrang, you are on a roll today. smile.gif How many shares did you buy?

Quick, think of a famous Bret Easton Ellis novel...that's how many!
post #5159 of 9742
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Come on, give me some credit now...perhaps Thrangavision...

LOL!

However, doesn't Thrang-O-Vision sound better?. Now, who is going to design a logo to complete the thought?

Mark
post #5160 of 9742
Ordered and spoke with them about Reviewing one very soon. Excited. smile.gif
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