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post #5551 of 9660
At least I know if I come to take your 1000ES in the middle of the night you won't be able to catch me eek.giftongue.gif
post #5552 of 9660
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

For my friends out there, I am home now. I can't express how good that is in words. I feel great. Just a cast and now waiting for the bones to heal, maybe about 3 months and then I will be able to walk again instead of now using just one leg and some walkers.

that's good to hear mark, now you just need to get the insurance co to pony up for this:

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make sure you order the black velvet' HT edition, can't have reflections from this or those white chairs you have.. smile.gif
post #5553 of 9660
You know I have a greater swiss mountain dog that weighs 110lbs. Good luck getting past her in the middle of the night.
post #5554 of 9660
The white chairs are long gone. I am ordering four new black ones from rtheaters.com. Very cheap for their top of the line ones. As to the stairs, I have built up my upper body strength and using a walker with uneven legs so it can be level with the front legs up one stair, I can hoist myself up.
post #5555 of 9660
Great to hear, Mark; no place like home. All the best, Bill
post #5556 of 9660
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You know I have a greater swiss mountain dog that weighs 110lbs. Good luck getting past her in the middle of the night.

Haha, that could be an issue. tongue.gif
post #5557 of 9660
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First, we are ASSUMING that Sony will come out with a unit above the 1000ES that has a lampless light source. If this is the case, there would be some increase in lumens above what the 1000ES will do. The big deal to me would be the reduced decay rate in output as well. Staying brighter for longer than with a bulb.

Hi Mark,
I wasn't making any assumptions. Just saying that if they do, I want one. Badly.

David
post #5558 of 9660
From all the statements by Sony reps some ways above in this thread, they have never even hinted at a replacement light source. I think it is very unlikely that this will come about for the 1000ES. My guess is that it MAY appear in the next model, in a yr or two.
post #5559 of 9660
glad you're safe and sound mark...seal those ladders in the basement
post #5560 of 9660
Bill. We are speculating on a model above the 1000ES or a replacement model for the 1000ES. Just speculating. The 1000ES is now two years old and Sony has for most projectors (not the 50 etc) a 2 year model life. So we are speculating on how the 1000ES could be improved and have concluded there is not much room for improvement until HDMI 2.0 becomes available. Of course any new unit should add a CMS. The most obvious possibility would be some sort of non bulb light source which we have discussed and Sony has several they could use. The most obvious would be the white phosphor laser lit disc which is presently being used in a Sony business class projector which sells for something like $6K. We are speculating that such a device over a bulb would add about $3K MSRP.

No one is speculating that the non bulb light source could be retrofitted on a 1000ES. It would be a new model very much like (including size and shape to a 1000ES. Whether any of this will happen this year we should know in 10 days when IFA starts. There is enough buzz from people under NDAs that something will happen beyond the 50 replacement and cheaper 4K model. Does this mean the 1000ES will be replaced. or whether just a bulbless more expensive 1000ES will be added to the line is speculation. But something is happening if one reads the buzz. The fun is trying to analyze the buzz and apply common and business economics to guess what Sony will do. Something that doesn't cost a lot to develop but generates buzz and new interest, And that my boy would be to use the 1000ES, add a phosphor light source getting rid of the bulb and bulb power supply and call it the 1001 or something like that.
post #5561 of 9660
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

From all the statements by Sony reps some ways above in this thread, they have never even hinted at a replacement light source. I think it is very unlikely that this will come about for the 1000ES. My guess is that it MAY appear in the next model, in a yr or two.

I would not be holding my breath waiting for this.
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post #5562 of 9660
Can we at least breath some Helium? I have all these get well balloons at home filled with helium.
post #5563 of 9660
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Can we at least breath some Helium? I have all these get well balloons at home filled with helium.

In your case, make sure you are sitting down. smile.gif
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post #5564 of 9660
Good analysis above, Mark. If the laser-phosphorous light source in a 1000ES-like projector were significantly brighter than the present lamp version, then that would be a significant advance. However the laser-phosphorous business unit that I've seen discussed doesn't seem any brighter--or maybe even as bright--when properly calibrated. [It's nominal brightness is impressive (I forget the specific #'s), but falls CONSIDERABLY when accurately calibrated for HT.]
post #5565 of 9660
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

Good analysis above, Mark. If the laser-phosphorous light source in a 1000ES-like projector were significantly brighter than the present lamp version, then that would be a significant advance. However the laser-phosphorous business unit that I've seen discussed doesn't seem any brighter--or maybe even as bright--when properly calibrated. [It's nominal brightness is impressive (I forget the specific #'s), but falls CONSIDERABLY when accurately calibrated for HT.]

The Issue that Sony runs into, is there is a mandate that can not allow the laser light source above 5000 Lumen. Sony Set it at 4000 Lumen so they don't exceed this. The Laser Light source can well exceed 5000 Lumen.
post #5566 of 9660
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The Issue that Sony runs into, is there is a mandate that can not allow the laser light source above 5000 Lumen. Sony Set it at 4000 Lumen so they don't exceed this. The Laser Light source can well exceed 5000 Lumen.

Is that true for the laser-phosphorous type source? I thought there was some discussion (e.g., Mark Haflich) that there were not such limits for this type of laser system since the laser only hits the phosphorous and does not project directly. But others know more about this than I.
post #5567 of 9660
I think I'd add a constant aperature, brighter lens , and a cms...and keep the price the same...and maybe throw in a darbee chip
post #5568 of 9660
Its a class 2 laser which has certain power and wave length restrictions. The laser would be accessible to a repair person and a meddling consumer so FDA restrictions apply. I think in real life a phosphor lit by a class 2 blue laser would exceed the light output of a bulb lit 1000ES both when calibrated after say 200 to 400 hours.
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Those off you interested in future light sources for digital projections might find this podcast interesting, Home Theater Geeks with guest Don Shaw of Christie Digital: http://twit.tv/show/home-theater-geeks/166

He makes a very interesting point about laser light sources. It is quite easy to get high light output with lasers. The problem is that the lasers work best at below ambient temperatures. Thus the lasers need a lot of cooling if you want high light output. The total watts consumed for cooling and light source combined is about the same for bulb and laser if you compare the technologies. For commercial cinema this is okay, because the lasers can be located at another location linked with fiber-optics to the projector. For many homes and home theaters this is not an viable option. This means that high output laser projectors need the same amount or more cooling than todays bulb based projectors. I do not think Sony will make a home theater product with external light source linked by fiber. For most people it is not practical. They might make something with the light source built in though...
post #5571 of 9660
A light source sitting in my rack linked by fiber to my PJ would be a dream come true. Huge light output, projector in the room is quiet... all noise at the rack that is out of the room. And the light source is even independently swappable / upgradeable from the projector... A dream scenario. I would think at the high price points a projector like this would be introduced at, a good many of the intended audience's theaters would accommodate this.
post #5572 of 9660
With all talk of new content and getting sorted with 4K, HDMI 2.0 etc., I have to comment on a surprisingly good experience I had last night viewing with some fresh 3D. I previewed Star Trek Into Darkness,only in 1080p SBS. With a bit of Darbee magic, it gave me a very good insight into how brilliant the bluray is going to look when it comes out shortly. The level of detail, even with the SBS pic compromise, was more than impressive with help from the Darbee. Iron Man 3 is out today, so I will be picking that up to check out the 3D as well, having only seen the 2D version. I know they are both out of Paramount, however I suspect that Star Trek's use of 3D will show up Iron Man 3. It's probably the scenes that are set in space that really help 3D effects stand out in Into Darkness. The opening scene drew me straight in with the volcanic sparks projecting outwards in full 2.35:1 aspect. Anyway, it's def re-inspired my enthusiasm for 3D. Prob helps that my new bulb is still in its infancy at 160 odd hrs. I don't think I'll let it go as long before bulb replacement next time somehow, that extra brightness is just so critical for 3D.
post #5573 of 9660
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Originally Posted by NORLL View Post

I do not think Sony will make a home theater product with external light source linked by fiber. For most people it is not practical. They might make something with the light source built in though...

Sony did announce a (stackable) RGB laser module for projectors as far back as 2010, but then nothing happened.

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201003/10-029E/
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Be aware that this laser light engine is made to create white light and is using the original optical path of Series-2 projectors.
In that way it doesn't fully utilise the advantages of a true RGB laser engine where the RGB laser light is used for the RGB colors which also saves on the cost of the optical part and narrower Étendue.

This is done so it can be retrofitted into existing Series-2 projectors. Barco and I believe NEC do it this way too.

The strange thing is that they haven't made a alternative true RGB laser projector model for those customers that will buy a new projector.

AFAIK only the Kodak RGB Laser projector licensed by IMAX and built by Barco is fully using all the advantages of RGB lasers.

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Edited by coolscan - 8/28/13 at 3:24am
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Originally Posted by coolscan View Post

Sony did announce a (stackable) RGB laser module for projectors as far back as 2010, but then nothing happened.

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201003/10-029E/
Be aware that this laser light engine is made to create white light and is using the original optical path of Series-2 projectors.
In that way it doesn't fully utilise the advantages of a true RGB laser engine where the RGB laser light is used for the RGB colors which also saves on the cost of the optical part and narrower Étendue.

This is done so it can be retrofitted into existing Series-2 projectors. Barco and I believe NEC do it this way too.

The strange thing is that they haven't made a alternative true RGB laser projector model for those customers that will buy a new projector.

AFAIK only the Kodak RGB Laser projector licensed by IMAX and built by Barco is fully using all the advantages of RGB lasers.

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Yes, I remember that. I was thinking about products for the home user. They will surely have something like this for the commercial theaters in the future, but I suspect not for the home.
post #5575 of 9660
They have it now, at least Christie does, stackable white laser sources fed into the projector by optical cables. In the future as series 2 projectors are replaced, we will see RGB fed one each to the respective chip. For home use, I think what we will see laser lit phosphor.
Edited by mark haflich - 8/28/13 at 6:01am
post #5576 of 9660
Retrofitting current projectors with the Laser white light helps things come along quicker. The RGB laser's are still in the works.
post #5577 of 9660
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

They have it now, at least Christie does, stackable white laser sources fed into the projector by optical cables. In the future as series 2 projectors are replaced, we will see RGB fed one each to the respective chip. For home use, I think what we will see id laser lit phosphor.


Is there a "rainbow" type downside to the laser lit phosphor? In a single chip laser DLP, does the phosphor wheel present the same sequential color issues as a color wheel, only spinning faster? I know I could still see rainbows on the cheap Panasonic LED/ Laser hybrid that I tried out.
post #5578 of 9660
There are several laser lit phosphor systems available now. The Sony as I understand it, and I could be wrong, uses a white emitting phosphor and not a segmented wheel. The device emits white light similar to a bulb and diachromatic filters are used to take a RGB beam out of the white light shining one each of RGB on the respective RGB chip.
post #5579 of 9660
Not VW1000 related, but certainly 4k and HDMI 2.0 related. Panasonic has their 4k tv up on their site, and it specifically states that it has HDMI 2.0, Displayport eek.gif and other goodies. Here's an exert:

Future Proof 4K 60p Input
With the world’s first 60p Input 4K UHD TV, your WT600 is fully equipped for 4K broadcast content and 4K-ready cameras. 4K 60p instantly refines 4K content for viewing in its clearest, most natural form with minimum picture judder — an industry first.
HDMI 2.0
HDMI 2.0 is the new 4K 60/50p standard in high-definition connectivity. Designed for maximum quality and viewing enjoyment from 4K broadcast and 60p images, this new standard is ideal for new and emerging UHD movies, video, streaming, gaming and more.
DisplayPort 1.2a
DisplayPort 1.2a is an innovative, single-wire connection for inputting 4K sources that include Windows PCs, MacBooks and Mac Pros, and professional 4K cameras. Enables 4K 60p signals to be sent through a single cable and exceed the demands of professional content editing and other uses.

Link: http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-L65WT600

So maybe HDMI 2.0 will be along sooner than we think?
post #5580 of 9660
The Sony use a phosphorous wheel for white light.

The "rainbow problem" with the other LED/Phosphorus I assume is because the Phosphorus wheel and laser is used for creating green and blue, and the LED for red colors.
The switching between the three might cause some "rainbow effect" in the same way RGB LED cause some "rainbow" noticed by particular sensitive people, but much less than one chip DLP colorwheel projectors.

What both LED and Laser have in common when one want more Lumen is that cooling requirements increase much because both LED and Laser needs accurate stable temperatures to produce accurate colors.

Sony white light design.
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LED light engine for single chip DLP.



Here there ought to be possibility for improvements in the LED light engine by feeding blue Laser light by fiber into each of the LED color phosphorus to excite them.
One of the problems with LED is that the blue diode that excites the phosphorus is covered in phosphorus and that build a lot of heat in the phosphorus.
If they used a Laser source instead of a diode and it was somewhere else or in an external module with cooling, the internal cooling needs not be so powerful.
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