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post #5851 of 9623
Are you sure you didn't use flash powder instead of that hi tech flash cube thingy? My Dad was a professional candid photographer and used disposable single shot flash bulbs fired by a strobe with a rechargeable battery.
Edited by mark haflich - 9/16/13 at 10:34pm
post #5852 of 9623
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Originally Posted by ProAudioSlave View Post

What exactly are you trying to prove with these images?

Screens the same material/size the difference in contrast Native vs DI.
post #5853 of 9623
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Originally Posted by Kevin 3000 View Post

Screens the same material/size the difference in contrast Native vs DI.

This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. The screenshot you posted is of a very bright scene, which means ANSI contrast is WAY more important than on/off. Hence the native on/off versus on/off with the help of a DI argument making no sense at all. Seeing how the 1000ES has over double the ANSI contrast over any JVC the 1000ES will win no contest. Like others have said, posting screenshots is about as useless as tits on a bull. As far as posting screenshots during low APL scenes between the two, it's basically impossible to do this correctly as there are no consumer grade digital cameras with enough dynamic range within the sensor to achieve a legitimate comparison. One would need to A/B in person to see the differences.
post #5854 of 9623
ANSI on this JVC at best is 150:1 4x less than the Sony yet.......
post #5855 of 9623
Screenshot comparisons don't mean anything anyway as just like what the Good Guys did when they were selling TV's
Adjust the cheep sets so they would look like crap and put the high priced sets adjustments right on.
I would go to the cheep sets, and adjust them so the would look very good. Used to piss off the sales people.
So posted photos don't mean a thing when someone is trying to spotlight one projector over the other.
post #5856 of 9623
Art Feierman projectoreviews.com
"On brighter scenes, those Sonys have great blacks, but the JVC X95 rules! Because the black levels are achieved without a dynamic iris, medium and brighter scenes, still produce equally black blacks as those in darker scenes. Other projectors (with irises), such as the Sonys, project blacks that aren't as dark, when doing brighter scenes, as the iris remains open so as not to dim the bright areas."
post #5857 of 9623
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Originally Posted by Kevin 3000 View Post

Art Feierman projectoreviews.com
"On brighter scenes, those Sonys have great blacks, but the JVC X95 rules! Because the black levels are achieved without a dynamic iris, medium and brighter scenes, still produce equally black blacks as those in darker scenes. Other projectors (with irises), such as the Sonys, project blacks that aren't as dark, when doing brighter scenes, as the iris remains open so as not to dim the bright areas."

post #5858 of 9623
And as we all say... blacks level is all that is required for a great projector. rolleyes.gif Please...lets keep talking about the JVC. Most of us never knew this projector existed. We also didn't know it existed a year and a half ago either when you came into this thread trolling with the stupid screenshots. I bet those that compared it side by side with the 1000 and then chose the 1000 feel really dumb now. If only they could have known their eyes were deceiving them!
post #5859 of 9623
Haha nice pic. Sums it up nicely.
post #5860 of 9623
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Originally Posted by Kevin 3000 View Post

ANSI on this JVC at best is 150:1 4x less than the Sony yet.......

Most of the JVC models over the past 3 years (current chassis design) have produced ANSI CR of around 250:1 to 300:1. However, there was an issue with eShift producing lower ANSI CR values, especially on the 1st generation of eShift models. The German review site, cine4home, measured the ANSI CR for the Sony VW95 at 300:1 (translated page is HERE) while in their tests for the current X-series they stated (translated) "the ANSI contrast of the X-series does not break through the 300:1 mark" (translated review is HERE), which I assume means the ANSI values came in a little under 300:1. The bottom line seems to be the Sony 1080p projectors are a little better in ANSI CR than the JVCs but not by a large degree. This is not saying anything about the VW1000ES which is not directly competing against the JVCs pricewise.

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Edited by Ron Jones - 9/17/13 at 9:11am
post #5861 of 9623
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

Most of the JVC models over the past 3 years (current chassis design) have produced ANSI CR of around 250:1 to 300:1. However, there was an issue with eShift producing lower ANSI CR values, especially on the 1st generation of eShift models. The German review site, cine4home, measured the ANSI CR for the Sony VW95 at 300:1 (translated page is HERE) while in their tests for the current X-series they stated (translated) "the ANSI contrast of the X-series does not break through the 300:1 mark" (translated review is HERE), which I assume means the ANSI values came in a little under 300:1.

I measured mine checkerboard and the ratio was 150:1
post #5862 of 9623
Funny pics Coderguy...made me laugh. biggrin.gif

Thrang, your pics always make me laugh cool.gif

Thanks Guys,
Mike
post #5863 of 9623
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

Most of the JVC models over the past 3 years (current chassis design) have produced ANSI CR of around 250:1 to 300:1. However, there was an issue with eShift producing lower ANSI CR values, especially on the 1st generation of eShift models. The German review site, cine4home, measured the ANSI CR for the Sony VW95 at 300:1 (translated page is HERE) while in their tests for the current X-series they stated (translated) "the ANSI contrast of the X-series does not break through the 300:1 mark" (translated review is HERE), which I assume means the ANSI values came in a little under 300:1. The bottom line seems to be the Sony 1080p projectors are a little better in ANSI CR than the JVCs but not by a large degree. This is not saying anything about the VW1000ES which is not directly competing against the JVCs pricewise.

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The VW1000 measures about 600:1.
post #5864 of 9623
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Originally Posted by Kevin 3000 View Post

Screens the same material/size the difference in contrast Native vs DI.
But which is which? Were both taken in the same room, on the same screen, with the same source in a fair comparison?
post #5865 of 9623
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Originally Posted by Kevin 3000 View Post

I measured mine checkerboard and the ratio was 150:1

I did various ANSI measurements to try to work out which room improvements gave the biggest 'bang for buck'. I got 226:1 out of my old HD350, but it doesn't mean a great deal as an absolute value since there is so much variation between methods of measuring, meters, rooms, etc. I was useful to compare to my untreated room with the same projector when it only measured 75:1.

All it really told me was that if I used all of the room treatments then I could near triple the ANSI contrast in my room. It doesn't even tell me that the HD350 measures at least 226:1. It definitely looked much better with the room set this way...but no where near as good as the VW1000ES I saw at a dealers a few months back (which in turn looked significantly better than the X55 in the same room FWIW).

As much as I like JVC projectors I'm not naive enough to think that mine is better than a VW1000ES (or a 500/600ES for that matter).
post #5866 of 9623
some home cinema magazine from germany measure all in the "over 400:1 ansi cr".
post #5867 of 9623
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Originally Posted by Kevin 3000 View Post

Art Feierman projectoreviews.com
"On brighter scenes, those Sonys have great blacks, but the JVC X95 rules! Because the black levels are achieved without a dynamic iris, medium and brighter scenes, still produce equally black blacks as those in darker scenes. Other projectors (with irises), such as the Sonys, project blacks that aren't as dark, when doing brighter scenes, as the iris remains open so as not to dim the bright areas."

Yeah

Feierman also wrote this in the same article:

Even if JVC could accept 4K, it wouldn't provide the sharpness and detail of a true 4K projector like Sony's VPL-VW1000ES, which is currently my favorite home theater projector, and winner of last year's Outstanding Projector of the Year award.
http://www.projectorreviews.com/jvc/dla-x95r/

Funny how you forgot to include the above eh?
rolleyes.gif
post #5868 of 9623
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Originally Posted by TheSony4KRises View Post

Yeah

Feierman also wrote this in the same article:

Even if JVC could accept 4K, it wouldn't provide the sharpness and detail of a true 4K projector like Sony's VPL-VW1000ES, which is currently my favorite home theater projector, and winner of last year's Outstanding Projector of the Year award.
http://www.projectorreviews.com/jvc/dla-x95r/

Funny how you forgot to include the above eh?
rolleyes.gif

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Originally Posted by Kevin 3000 View Post

Art Feierman projectoreviews.com
"On brighter scenes, those Sonys have great blacks, but the JVC X95 rules! Because the black levels are achieved without a dynamic iris, medium and brighter scenes, still produce equally black blacks as those in darker scenes. Other projectors (with irises), such as the Sonys, project blacks that aren't as dark, when doing brighter scenes, as the iris remains open so as not to dim the bright areas."

Feierman, Friedman...whatever...I prefer to quote Feynman:

It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong.
post #5869 of 9623
Or the experiment is flawed.
post #5870 of 9623
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Or the experiment is flawed.

YOU argue with a deceased Noble Prize-winning physicist....
post #5871 of 9623
I am not arguing. This is from first hand experience years ago. I am merely stating an exception to the statement.
post #5872 of 9623
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

I am not arguing. This is from first hand experience years ago. I am merely stating an exception to the statement.

You're not taking me serious now, are you? smile.gif
post #5873 of 9623
Naw. I just trying to keep my post count up until Cedia starts and we all have new stuff to talk about. Cedia is like the Westminster dog show. Best of breed, best of group, and best of show. The only real difference is at the dog show no one bitches about the cost of the dog.
post #5874 of 9623
This is a 126" dia 1.78:1 Picture ( UHD input = 3840x2160P ) zoomed out on my 2.40:1 screen



Same Picture, but I did go to the screen and took the Picture very close to the screen ( 10 - 20 cm from it and then zoomed in on the camera ) to show the level of detail of small details in the picture ( not like Thrangs big .......well, show off thing biggrin.gif ).

Hint: it's at the bottom center of the image



dj
post #5875 of 9623
So this is a UHD input? And displayed at 3840 x 2160 or 4096 x 2160. What MP camera and what lens? What ISO did you shoot at? What WB?
post #5876 of 9623
some others for time spending.










taken with an ordinary tourist camera (DSC-HX9) and there's not made ​​any editing - if anyone should be in doubt biggrin.gif



dj
post #5877 of 9623
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

So this is a UHD input? And displayed at 3840 x 2160 or 4096 x 2160. What MP camera and what lens? What ISO did you shoot at? What WB?


Mark

Yes, and displayed at 3840 x 2160 ( DSC-HX9, the rest - dont have a clue, I just set it on auto and push the buttom redface.gif ) .


BTW. in the real resolution ( 4608 x 3456 ) it looks a lot sharper and detailed then the Picture in here. ( sorry, dont know how to show it with full quality )


dj
post #5878 of 9623
Where can someone download the new manual for 4K server? I'm in the process of getting projector ready for upgrade which will cause pains due to how I trimmed out projector mount and cable access.

From my understanding.................I should be ok running two hdmi cables to projector.........one dedicated to server and one to av processor. I've read cat 6 cable to projector is possible, but looking at pictures from Sony store front I see no output for cat 6/7 on server, just input.

I just upgraded all new equipment though not obsolete............it sure seems that way with 2.0 spec. If I'm going to re-wire, I don't want to do it again for at least another a few years. With upgrade of new motherboard being able to handle 4k @ 60fps, I want to make sure I'm future proof even though this new server is only 30fps.

Second, how long will it take MA to get measurements for this server? I don't really want to be the pioneer for measurements for devise as I prefer to use immediately. BTW, someone needs to speak to Sony how inconvenient this "hockey puck" is for those who want to rack mount this piece of equipment!!!!! rolleyes.gif
post #5879 of 9623
http://store.sony.com/wcsstore/SonyStyleStorefrontAssetStore/pdf/warranty/SEL-asset-380034.pdf

the link I copied from the Sny store cite doesn't seem to work. But if you go to the Sony Store site, search for 4K media player

click on it, click on specifications, go to the bottom and click on owner's manual it will open.
Edited by mark haflich - 9/22/13 at 2:19pm
post #5880 of 9623
Does the FMP-X1 not do 7.1?
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