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post #5971 of 9690
At 1.85, you will get the full image but you will not be utilizing the full panel width but more of it than with 1.78 material and 1.78 aspect. Anytime you display an aspect less then the set aspect, you will get full height but not full width of the panels. So at 2.35, which is bigger or wider than 2.35, you will see the whole image and use the full panel width but will get top and bottom black bars. By setting the aspect to 2.35, the black bars will be less tall than the would be at 1.85 or 1.78.
post #5972 of 9690
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Originally Posted by sanderdvd View Post

thxz Mark.

So basically for me (auto-masking screen with 16:9 and 2:35:1 preset) it s (correct me if i m wrong):

When playing 16:9 content:
1. ZOOM to the 1:78:1 green lines in the test pattern and choose NORMAL at Aspect.
2. ZOOM to the 1:85:1 green lines in the test pattern and choose 1:85:1 at Aspect (to take full advantage of the panels) but loose a little bit of the top and bottom of the image.

When playing 2:35:1 content:
? ? ?

Rather than using the test screen with the various markers indicated, i have found it more useful simply to look at an actual source and set the zoom memory appropriately.

E.g., for 2.35 configuration I set the 1000's AR to '1.35 zoom' and put in a 2.35 BD, and then pause the pic. I then zoom the pj to fill the screen appropriately. (For me, this is to fill the width of my screen.) I then save this zoom configuration in a 'lens memory'. Then, for 16x9 (i.e., HDTV), I look at a 16x9 source, pause the pic, and then zoom the pj, in my case to fill the height of the screen, and save this zoomed configuration in lens memory.

I find this much simpler, and more reliable, than using the test screen with markers on it.
post #5973 of 9690
I realize that it's pretty late in the game to be asking this question, but ...

what settings are 1000ES owners using in Reality Creation for 'Resolution' and 'Noise Filtering'. I have mine set at 20 and 10, respectively, but really have a hard time seeing what is optimal. ?
post #5974 of 9690
I just leave them at the defaults for the particular Sony preset, such as reference. There is no guidance from Sony as to how they should be set or any recommended test patterns. I tried using horizontal and vertical on off patterns and if you do so, you can see how a few clicks can really blotch things up though on real life material changes don't have that effect.

The game is not over. There is still plenty of time to score with an upgrade to ones 1000ES or to buy a 1100ES.
post #5975 of 9690
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

I just leave them at the defaults for the particular Sony preset, such as reference. There is no guidance from Sony as to how they should be set or any recommended test patterns. I tried using horizontal and vertical on off patterns and if you do so, you can see how a few clicks can really blotch things up though on real life material changes don't have that effect.

The game is not over. There is still plenty of time to score with an upgrade to ones 1000ES or to buy a 1100ES.

What is the default for 'Reference'? BTW, I'm 'all in' for the upgrade, which as you suggest, probably all 1000 owners are.
post #5976 of 9690
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

Hey you Sony1000 owners!

I'm intrigued both by the new JVCs and the new cheaper Sony 4K model.

I was looking up reviews of the VW1000 and came upon this rather curious review:

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/sony-vpl-vw1000es-201301162503.htm?page=Picture%20Quality

They were disappointed with the Sony's motion resolution performance. Isn't everyone always saying Sony projectors are typically one of the better performers at motion resolution (e.g. better than JVC)?

Do you guys use any motion resolution enhancement settings, frame interpolation/black frame insertion or whatever, on your Sony?

I like better motion resolution, but not at the expense of having to introduce anything like the dreaded Soap Opera effect.


Rich
"
First I have to say that I normally use the motionflow on low ( and IMO it do not give or look like " the dreaded Soap Opera effect" - actully it stiill have "film look" but its sharper and more natural looking then without ) , but even if I turn motionflow off, I do not recognize the movement problems he mentions in the test, I must also say that I absolutely do not find or see either HW50 or vw95 be better than the 1000ES in the resolution / motion sharpness!? ('ve Had / seen all three set up in my own cinema)

Whereas me curiously well see an even better / higher? sharpness / resolution with "Film Projection" enabled (as opposed to what David apparently saw), but on the other hand, there is a marked decrease in light output due to dark frame insertion.

The difference in perception, we seem to have, on motion sharpness / resolution of 1000ES must either be me who can not see it !? (But it does not explain why he so can see HW50 work better and I not !??) - Or maybe it later changed the 1000ES handling practices, through subsequent software versions / corrections?

dj
post #5977 of 9690
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

What is the default for 'Reference'? BTW, I'm 'all in' for the upgrade, which as you suggest, probably all 1000 owners are.

I have to limp down stairs and check to make sure. If I remember correctly, its resolution on 20 and noise filter on 10. Its been a long time since I have looked at those settings.
post #5978 of 9690
Was there any new versions of the Darbee at the show?
post #5979 of 9690
No. They had a new chassis for a possible prototype but no new processing. It was only to spruce up the appearance and was only for show.
post #5980 of 9690
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

I have to limp down stairs and check to make sure. If I remember correctly, its resolution on 20 and noise filter on 10. Its been a long time since I have looked at those settings.

That sux, at least you are a high roller and can pay for help :P

After the contrast "discussion" I just had with DarinP, please just shoot me and end my misery, I feel hungover completely.
I know you've been waiting for permission to fire the shot smile.gif
post #5981 of 9690
You asked for it. Ta Da,

Why waste a bullet? smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gif
post #5982 of 9690
Well I was wearing a reflective bullet proof vest, and had already calculated the ricochet trajectory, I almost had you smile.gif
post #5983 of 9690
Is that the best response you can come up with? Pathetic. You were zapped. One upped. Come on, say BINGO and I will move on. smile.gif
post #5984 of 9690
Bingo...
post #5985 of 9690
thanks again Mark. This must me embarrasing but I m still not getting it frown.giffrown.gif

Ok, First things first:
There are basically 3 kind of movies going around so this means I will have to make 3 masking settings with my screen (my screen can make up to 5 memory s so that is ok). We have 1.78 (16:9) movies like Avatar, 1.85 movies like Saving Private Ryan and 2.35 (2.4) movies like Lord Of The Rings.

The easiest way is use the 1.78 edge markers and set the Aspect in the menu of the Sony to NORMAL right? This way I don t have to do anything on the Sony when switching content from one to antoher but only use the memory presets of my screen that matches the content aspect right?

Hope I m on the right track with the way described here!

IF I m right, we could move on to talk about using other ways which I assume has the benefit of using more pixels of the panel of the VW1000?
Edited by sanderdvd - 9/30/13 at 12:30am
post #5986 of 9690
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Originally Posted by sanderdvd View Post

Ok, First things first:
There are basically 3 kind of movies going around so this means I will have to make 3 masking settings with my screen (my screen can make up to 5 memory s so that is ok). We have 1.78 (16:9) movies like Avatar, 1.85 movies like Saving Private Ryan and 2.35 (2.4) movies like Lord Of The Rings.

The easiest way is use the 1.78 edge markers and set the Aspect in the menu of the Sony to NORMAL right? This way I don t have to do anything on the Sony when switching content from one to antoher but only use the memory presets of my screen that matches the content aspect right?

Remember that Normal is 1:1 pixel mapping, the other modes aren't. Not really noticeable unless you are using test patterns, Because of my short throw I have to use a non 1:1 mode for 2.35.

Also, I know you are catching the main ones, but you also are also going to run into a lot of 4:3, 2.20 (Super Panavision), and also IMAX modes, including ones that switch ratios. At this point I pretty much don't use different memories for 1.78 and 1.85, but it is worth it to have a 4:3 memory.
post #5987 of 9690
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Originally Posted by turls View Post

Remember that Normal is 1:1 pixel mapping, the other modes aren't. Not really noticeable unless you are using test patterns, Because of my short throw I have to use a non 1:1 mode for 2.35.

Also, I know you are catching the main ones, but you also are also going to run into a lot of 4:3, 2.20 (Super Panavision), and also IMAX modes, including ones that switch ratios. At this point I pretty much don't use different memories for 1.78 and 1.85, but it is worth it to have a 4:3 memory.

Just to be clear, since I am feeling dense this morning - which mode uses the full panel width? Normal?
post #5988 of 9690
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Originally Posted by turls View Post

Remember that Normal is 1:1 pixel mapping, the other modes aren't. Not really noticeable unless you are using test patterns, Because of my short throw I have to use a non 1:1 mode for 2.35.

Also, I know you are catching the main ones, but you also are also going to run into a lot of 4:3, 2.20 (Super Panavision), and also IMAX modes, including ones that switch ratios. At this point I pretty much don't use different memories for 1.78 and 1.85, but it is worth it to have a 4:3 memory.
What is 1:1 pixel mapping?

With making memories I was talking about my masking screen, not the VW1000.

But, again, am I right with the following statement?:

The easiest way is use the 1.78 edge markers and set the Aspect in the menu of the Sony to NORMAL. This way I don t have to do anything on the Sony when switching content from one to antoher but only use the memory presets of my screen that matches the content aspect right?
post #5989 of 9690
Now is a great time to buy a VW1000. Just say'n. smile.gif
post #5990 of 9690
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

From info I have, and based on HDMI 2.0, it will take 4K 60 over a single HDMI using 4:2:0 chroma subsampling. Not clear if this is limited to 8 bits. I think it is.

Has anyone seen the interview with Joe Kane where he spills the beans on the just approved HDMI standard? Not good news for 60hz......... http://www.avsforum.com/t/1492409/video-guru-joe-kane-at-cedia-2013
post #5991 of 9690
Yes. And there are earlier longer interviews available on the forum done at IFA. None of this is new. Stacy spilled the beans as soon as the pot came off the stove. 4K 60 only at 8 bit 4:2.0. Nothing new. But things are OK at 4K 24 and 30, with 4:4:4 and 10 bits. And things are good at 2K. Its not all bad, it just not all good. And the top limit is more or less consistent with data transmission now. Do I like it? Well the bar is closing and the last girl available is a solid 7 plus or 8. And earlier that night a 9 plus snuck away from a guy she was with and gave me her number and said call tomorrow. 1-555-2.10-HDMI.
post #5992 of 9690
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Originally Posted by sanderdvd View Post

What is 1:1 pixel mapping?

For purposes of this discussion (hopefully if I don't screw it up) its showing the image with minimum scaling artifacts/errors.
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With making memories I was talking about my masking screen, not the VW1000.

Understood. I have horizontal motorized masking with memories as well.
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But, again, am I right with the following statement?:

The easiest way is use the 1.78 edge markers and set the Aspect in the menu of the Sony to NORMAL. This way I don t have to do anything on the Sony when switching content from one to antoher but only use the memory presets of my screen that matches the content aspect right?

I think you are right for the most part. I do have reason to use other VW1000ES memories occasionally, but if I didn't have to use the 2.35 one because of my short throw, I would be in normal most of the time.
post #5993 of 9690
Speaking of spilling the beans... I signed an agreement so I really can't. What I will say is that I have seen the absolute best 4K upscale to date which works with both DirecTV (more stable results after the 1000 update) and Blu ray. This is the real deal. Much better than a lumagen or any other device I have seen. Times are changing fast! My eyes are seeing it... More to come soon.
post #5994 of 9690
Joe did you try the newest Lumagen with 4k output? I was mentioning in another thread that I thought some people didn't think the Lumagen's 4k scaling improved on the Sony's. Maybe you were one of those people. Of course the calibration capabilities of the Lumagen still put it on a must own list for me ultimately, anyway.
post #5995 of 9690
On a separate note... How many times do you guys have to pause the movie when guests go? I got creative over the weekend and came up with a solution. biggrin.gif image.jpg 725k .jpg file image.jpg 1760k .jpg file
Both for movies in 2D and 3D as well as football... Let's just hope people take off the glasses before they wipe. biggrin.gif
Edited by joerod - 9/30/13 at 1:17pm
post #5996 of 9690
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

Joe did you try the newest Lumagen with 4k output? I was mentioning in another thread that I thought some people didn't think the Lumagen's 4k scaling improved on the Sony's. Maybe you were one of those people. Of course the calibration capabilities of the Lumagen still put it on a must own list for me ultimately, anyway.

Yes, it is soft in comparison. The Samsung 7500 and Panny 330 best it. Of course the component I connect a little bit ago is in another league!
post #5997 of 9690
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

Just to be clear, since I am feeling dense this morning - which mode uses the full panel width? Normal?


No, only the 2.35 zoom mode use all 4096 x 2160, but the 1.85 zoom mode is very close to the native 1.89 panel format (and normal use 3840 x 2160 and blanks 2 x 128 pixels = 256 pixels total )
Are you feeling better now smile.gif

dj
post #5998 of 9690
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Originally Posted by sanderdvd View Post

What is 1:1 pixel mapping?

Every input pixel has a matching pixel on the display. No overscanning.
post #5999 of 9690
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Yes, it is soft in comparison. The Samsung 7500 and Panny 330 best it. Of course the component I connect a little bit ago is in another league!


Ok, I guess - the OPPO 103D ( D for Darbee ) !


dj
post #6000 of 9690
Joerod. Justto be clear you have not seen the 4K scaling of the Lumagens that scale lower resolutions to 4K? Correct. I have not seen the non Lumagen unit you saw under a NDA.


An interesting question arises with the 1000ES. Does the RC operate on a 4K input signal or is it just part of the scaling process for lower resolution signals to 4K. The scaler to 4K can of course be used with RC turned off but we all agree it is better with RC turned on to the mode defaults set by Sony at the factory So before continuing, does RC in the 1000ES operate on UHD or 4K input resolutions? If it doesn't, will it in the 1100ES?
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