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post #6271 of 9683
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

So spend 600 only to see sometime next year essentially the same unit fully HDMI 2.0 compliant and able to output 4K at 60. Do I have this wrong?

This is what I said. Why now? That's great they continue to innovate, and somebody has to review it, but why come out with something like that now? Because no BD 4k is on the horizon. If you don't have an Oppo go for it. If you already have one and you can sell it for near what you paid go for it. If not, its not an upgrade I personally would bother with. My upgrade cycle is about 10 times slower than joerod.
post #6272 of 9683
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Originally Posted by turls View Post

.... My upgrade cycle is about 10 times slower than joerod.

I think everyone's is. However I did buy a less-than-1 yr-old Onkyo AVR from him some years ago at a very reasonable price; much appreciated it. (Now, of course, I've upgraded beyond it.)

But I'm certainly in Mark's camp about a BD player; not going to upgrade it until 4KBD.
post #6273 of 9683
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

I think everyone's is. However I did buy a less-than-1 yr-old Onkyo AVR from him some years ago at a very reasonable price; much appreciated it. (Now, of course, I've upgraded beyond it.)

But I'm certainly in Mark's camp about a BD player; not going to upgrade it until 4KBD.

don't you have the oppo 103
post #6274 of 9683
Seegs 108. Sports not news. No time for news. Too much sports with MLB American and National League championships, then the MLB World Serious, college football, NFL football, and the World Series of Porn.
Edited by mark haflich - 10/13/13 at 8:12am
post #6275 of 9683
Kutlow. Hope you are doing well.

Many people buy the Oppo because everybody buys an Oppo. Not doing so would be like bringing a diet Pepsi to drink in the Coke cafeteria. And its a good machine and probably the best for the money. It does have compromises made on bang for the buck considerations. It could be so much better but it would cost, but they are folks out there that can mod them to I think substantially improve their performance. One of those guys should send a modded 103D to my hero, he would probably just start drooling.

Anyhow. All Bluray players are good in the video Department. I had some expensive ones initially. When 3D came out, I needed the ability to play 3D Blurays. Now these were frequent watches initially, but rare watches now. I didn't want to spend a lot on just adding 3D playback capability. So I went out and purchased a cheap Panasonic 3D capable Bluray player. Dang. Maybe its a Samsung, I have to go look. Its very small, maybe and inch and one half tall, something like that. Cost me around $100. I hooked it up and 3D was fine. Played some 2D on it, and guess what, looked as good as my older expensive machines. Sound is OK, all sound is OK in my Norm Varney acoustically designed theater. I don't like a look of shaking and I often shut the subs off. I get my slamming and banging from posting on AVS.

So why should I spring for a more expensive Bluray player. I'll wait until the Oppo 4K Bluray player with a 4K Darbeevision processor. Maybe I will be able to buy one in about 3 years. Meaning my cheap Panny or Samsung and standalone Darblet will hold me. By the way. It seems to me the 103D is different from the older 103s other than just having the Darbeevision process included. Different chips?

Oh yea. 4K content until then will come from the Sony hockey puck and its rink time download service, the Red Ray if it ever ships and services that choose to serve the Red Ray with content (however I will boycott Odemax). NTEK supposedly with have a cheap 4K box but I suspect it will be crapola.
post #6276 of 9683
The Oppo is more than just a blu ray player also. Its loaded with tons of features. Allows to enhance other devices with its to hdmi inputs, which is my main use for it. Its a good media player too
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Here is new problem. I believe all the Sony 4k panels & projectors have only 1 4k HDMI input. How are users going to handle multiple 4k devices? Most prepros don't pass or switch 4k.
Any ideas ?
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The panels, at least the big one, has 4 HDMI inputs, I need to check the smaller ones but I am pretty sure they have more than one. The 1000ES has two HDMI inputs.
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Originally Posted by blee0120 View Post

The Oppo is more than just a blu ray player also. Its loaded with tons of features. Allows to enhance other devices with its to hdmi inputs, which is my main use for it. Its a good media player too

No one said it wasn't. I just feel the new model is just a temporary stop gap and I would wait for the next one with HDMI 2.0 or even wait until the first Oppo 4K Bluray player assuming a 4K Bluray standard actually comes out.
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

No one said it wasn't. I just feel the new model is just a temporary stop gap and I would wait for the next one with HDMI 2.0 or even wait until the first Oppo 4K Bluray player assuming a 4K Bluray standard actually comes out.

I did buy it to use mainly for my 1080p projector
post #6281 of 9683
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

No one said it wasn't. I just feel the new model is just a temporary stop gap and I would wait for the next one with HDMI 2.0 or even wait until the first Oppo 4K Bluray player assuming a 4K Bluray standard actually comes out.
The same can be said of lumagens latest offerings as well. Yes, there will be an upgrade program, but I guess its called bleeding edge for a reason. Let's hurry up and get through this transitional period quick!
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Originally Posted by kutlow View Post

don't you have the oppo 103

Nope. (Hate to sound so much like Mark--ho, ho!--but I'm very much following the same path in this regard.) I had a Oppo 85 and was totally satisfied with it, but after getting the Sony1000 did want something that also did 3d. So I sold the Oppo for a good price and got a Sony790 (~$170 IIRC). Also like Mark, I watched a coupled of 3d's but haven't any more for more than a yr (and doubt I ever will again). It sends 1080p to the Sony1000, which upconverts it to 4K. (And I also have a Darblet in the chain.) I would thus be just as happy to still have the Oppo85, but don't think I've lost any PQ by the switch.

If I had no BD player or Darblet, I might very well get the Oppo103D, even though it is probably ~$100-200 more than an inexpensive BD + Darblet. But I have little motivation to replace what I have until a 4KBD unit becomes available.
post #6283 of 9683
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Originally Posted by blee0120 View Post

I did buy it to use mainly for my 1080p projector

Seriously, good for you. I am sure you will enjoy it. Its I suspect a fine player. Its just for me too temporary in the evolutionary chain to replace what I already have. Especially considering I have a Darblet already. If I didn't, and I can't fathom a reason why I wouldn't have one already, I'd probably buy a 103D for the combination of all the things it offers.
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Originally Posted by armstrr View Post

The same can be said of lumagens latest offerings as well. Yes, there will be an upgrade program, but I guess its called bleeding edge for a reason. Let's hurry up and get through this transitional period quick!

I'll go for it if Oppo offered an upgrade program.
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The 84 inch panel has & HDMI inputs only 1 can accept 4k.I guess all the others only have 1 4k HDMI. So the problem will be how to connect the Sony 4k player,the Red player,a 4k disc player and any other 4k device
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Originally Posted by thestewman View Post

The 84 inch panel has & HDMI inputs only 1 can accept 4k.I guess all the others only have 1 4k HDMI. So the problem will be how to connect the Sony 4k player,the Red player,a 4k disc player and any other 4k device

HDMI switches are cheap and easy to use. There will be HDMI 2.0 compliant ones out very soon.
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Seriously, good for you. I am sure you will enjoy it. Its I suspect a fine player. Its just for me too temporary in the evolutionary chain to replace what I already have. Especially considering I have a Darblet already. If I didn't, and I can't fathom a reason why I wouldn't have one already, I'd probably buy a 103D for the combination of all the things it offers.

I was basically trying to say I understand why you won't for your 4k projector. But it might help in your situation, you can get a good upscaling with your daytime soaps, since that's what you watch on your 1000es smile.gif
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I don't watch daytime soaps. I read posts on AVS and respond to keep me busy.

Now I has asked one of my best friend to respond to this question but he refuses too. He could compare the Sony 4K scaler and view the ringing and then bypass it to see if the Oppo rings. The Lumagen scaler does not.

My Lumagen upscales without ringing and the 4K Lumagen I will be getting upscales to 4K without ringing. The scaler in the 1000ES rings. Does the Silicon Optics 4K upscaler in the Oppo ring or not?
post #6289 of 9683
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Mike or anyone from avs. I am seriously considering a b stock vw1000. I hear that b stock sales are final. But if the unit arrive with problems like, dust blob or lens memory don't work. Can the unit be swap out for another one or we have to take it up with sony for warranty? Thank you

If you get a unit that isn't 100% working, it will be replaced. B stock sales are " final " is as much as they don't come with A V Science's " you can put up to 4 hours on the lamp, and if you don't like it, you can return it for a full refund or exchange ( minus shipping ) " - that does not apply to b stock units - only brand new projectors. But they do come with a full factory warranty. smile.gif

I've never had a complaint or return of a B stock projector, except once for shipping damage. And that can happen with new projectors.
post #6290 of 9683
Any news on whether the 1100 upgrade will add 4k A-lens support?
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Until Sony releases the details on the VPL-vw1100ES, rather than just announcing that it is coming in November for a MSRP price of $27,995, we really will no nothing. And as soon as that happens, it will be reported here with no need to ask. Probably will be a separate thread too.
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Until Sony releases the details on the VPL-vw1100ES, rather than just announcing that it is coming in November for a MSRP price of $27,995, we really will no nothing. And as soon as that happens, it will be reported here with no need to ask. Probably will be a separate thread too.
Gotcha. Thanks.
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I ve asked this a few times already but I m still with only guessing what is wrong with the input settings of the VW1000:

Mark H. told me that something is wrong when feeding the VW1000 with RGB. Well, I m using RGB output to my VW1000 because I use a HTPC. Someone knows WHAT the actual problem is?
What I already DO know is that LIMITED and FULL for the HDMI range setting in the VW1000 does not work.
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

I don't watch daytime soaps. I read posts on AVS and respond to keep me busy.

Now I has asked one of my best friend to respond to this question but he refuses too. He could compare the Sony 4K scaler and view the ringing and then bypass it to see if the Oppo rings. The Lumagen scaler does not.

My Lumagen upscales without ringing and the 4K Lumagen I will be getting upscales to 4K without ringing. The scaler in the 1000ES rings. Does the Silicon Optics 4K upscaler in the Oppo ring or not?


http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/oppo-bdp-103-201212052427.htm

"The actual interpolation/ scaling performance is excellent, and is a step above the Anchor Bay
solution found on some older Oppo players. Analysis of an SMPTE RP133 test chart reveals very, very
little ringing and a wonderfully sharp look."
post #6295 of 9683
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Originally Posted by sanderdvd View Post

I ve asked this a few times already but I m still with only guessing what is wrong with the input settings of the VW1000:

Mark H. told me that something is wrong when feeding the VW1000 with RGB. Well, I m using RGB output to my VW1000 because I use a HTPC. Someone knows WHAT the actual problem is?
What I already DO know is that LIMITED and FULL for the HDMI range setting in the VW1000 does not work.




IMO

I do not think that there is something wrong with your 1000ES, it is a combination of input signal and setting on the projector, which makes you think there's something wrong with it.
With most input signals, there will be no difference between the "limited" and "full" - but can not offhand remember which !redface.gif

dj
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d.j.: it IS a (pretty big) problem for htpc users. I can assure you. The HDMI output range is just not working (it s broken) and has to be fixed be Sony in the VW1100 upgrade I hope.
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Originally Posted by sanderdvd View Post

d.j.: it IS a (pretty big) problem for htpc users. I can assure you. The HDMI output range is just not working (it s broken) and has to be fixed be Sony in the VW1100 upgrade I hope.
Can you not compensate on the PC?
post #6298 of 9683
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Originally Posted by Kevin 3000 View Post

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/oppo-bdp-103-201212052427.htm

"The actual interpolation/ scaling performance is excellent, and is a step above the Anchor Bay
solution found on some older Oppo players. Analysis of an SMPTE RP133 test chart reveals very, very
little ringing and a wonderfully sharp look."

Kevin we are talking about 4k scaling on the new 103D edition with new chips and the Darbee circuitry. That review is of the older Oppo 103.
post #6299 of 9683
I got a chance to play with my UH480 a-lens on the vw1000 a bit over the weekend.

Brightness and contrast were significantly increased. Presumably, the contrast got better because it allowed me to zoom all the way down.
It did add a small amount of CA. I didn't get a chance to try dialing it out.
It did hurt sharpness a very small amount, but I wasn't at the ideal distance for the lens, and I hadn't dialed in the CA. It didn't hurt sharpness as much as using 2.35 aspect mode.
I haven't yet looked at edge sharpness and depth of field concerns that Mark raised.

I also tried about 10 different screen samples with the vw1000.
For 2D, Carada Brilliant White was my favorite non-AT (sharp and punchy), with Seymour Center Stage XD as my favorite AT screen.
For 3D, EluneVision's PureBright 4k 240 stood out as the best, but it was too bright in 2D mode.

No textures or sparkles on any of these at 15'. Image size was 144" diag at 2.35.

Edit: On closer examination, the EVPB and DLHP appear identical.
Edited by rcohen - 10/17/13 at 1:10pm
post #6300 of 9683
A video processor may make the image sharper, when using an A-lens. The vertical stretch is a scaling function and I suspect the Lumagen is better at this than the 1000. Do not know for sure, but I suspect that it is. I found that to be the case with JVC.
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