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post #6781 of 9657
I am in oblivion. I don't have it. Seegs. The new Sony will have only HDMI 2.0 ins. No DVI or Display port so the output using DVI or display port will have to converted back to HDMI. I don't know anything about how this would be done. I still haven't hooked up the Limagen. Been out getting personal supplies etc for next week
post #6782 of 9657
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

I am in oblivion. I don't have it. Seegs. The new Sony will have only HDMI 2.0 ins. No DVI or Display port so the output using DVI or display port will have to converted back to HDMI. I don't know anything about how this would be done. I still haven't hooked up the Limagen. Been out getting personal supplies etc for next week

There are cheap adapters out there that will work just fine. For instance:


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812107506
post #6783 of 9657
Sorry to go off on a tangent but has anyone gotten ps3 3d glasses working with the vw1000? Trying to find some inexpensive alternatives to the stock glasses.
post #6784 of 9657
Yes there was some talk back earlier in this thread about those cheaper ps3 glasses.
post #6785 of 9657
Hmmm couldn't find it 😓.... I got two pair and tried them today and they won't sync with the projectors built in IR emitter from what I can tell, was hoping I would get lucky and they would work.
post #6786 of 9657
thanks for posting the link to the 4K downloader, I have a ton of content to check out tonight.

4kdownload.jpg
post #6787 of 9657
Well. I am bummed. I hooked up the new Lumagen processor played with a bunch of things and notice it was outputting 1080p 60 and not 4096 30 or 3840 30. It has an auto sensing circuit that reads the output capability of the display and sets the Lumagen output to that. My display, the 1000ES is 4096 but I normally use it at 3840. I was curious to how the lumagen would set it initially. My guess was 4096 and then I could override that and set it to 3840. Anyway the Lumagen set itself hooked up to the 1000ES to 1080p 60. So I went into the Lumagen output menu and set it to 3840 x 2160 30.. Anyway upon hitting OK and exiting which sets that output resolution the Sony goes completely dark, no picture, no menu, and won't even respond to a power off. Cycling the Lumagen to standby/on resets the output to 1080p 60 and the Sony now displays a picture again and appears happy. Since I didn't do a save with the Lumagen, the power standby/on cycle will delete any changes not saved since the last save. So what the f is going on. And then it dawns on me, my HDMI cables are long and about 10 years old. I think they can not transmit 3840 or higher and the Lumagen is not able to read the true resolution of the Sony, Don't know but later tonight will use the long cable to the projector to feed a 1080p source to the Lumagen moved to near the projector and use a short type II HS HDMI from the Lumagen to the projector to see if the long HDMI cable at 4K is the problem. I hope that's it because I am out of ideas. But if the cable is insufficient I am talking a whole day's work to run new HDMIs in my packed acoustical ceiling. God I hate this sport sometimes.
Edited by mark haflich - 11/16/13 at 11:15pm
post #6788 of 9657
How long is your cable? I have an old monster cable from 2007 that is 25 feet long that I've been using with the HTPC @ 4096 and 3840.
post #6789 of 9657
Probably 50 ft. Hard to tell. Installed when I was just a pup. At least 10 years ago and they are buried. The ceiling is ung but is stuffed above each tile. One has to start at and edge and unpack tile by tile. Not fun and real messy. When you switch resolutions going into the Sony does the change happen quickly? Is there any blanking etc? my screen immediately goes dark and the Sony locks up. I think I am going to try it tonight shouldn't take me that long using the existing HDMI in the ceiling merely to send say 720p from my Fios box to the Lumagen placed at the projector.
post #6790 of 9657
Man that is a bummer mark. This hobby is like a technological rubik's cube. Click one thing, another goes out of place.

Your problem just reminded me that I may have a similar worry. I've got the Lumagen 2041 too, waiting to go into the system and I intended on trying to feed the new JVC RS57 from the 4K output of the Lumagen (letting the Lumagen upscale 1080p to 4K..much like you want to try, I presume). My HDMI cable is 45 or 50 ft long. It does 3D no problem and it was the best rated HDMI cable Blue Jeans Cable had 4 years ago, so maybe it's a bit more capable (?). I also have a run of Cat 5 (with converter) that I've used for 3D as well, and I am told that Cat 5 can be more capable or robust for signals than HDMI (I don't know).

Anyway, boy I hope you can get that sorted out in your favor.
post #6791 of 9657
Well. That was it. So now I have my lumagen sitting on top of my upside down hanging 1000ES. The two long buried in the ceiling HDMIs now feed the Bluray player and the Fios box to the Lumagen and after upconversion the Lumagen sends it into one of the HDMI ins on the Sony by a short HS Type II HDMI cable. So I don't have to recable quite yet. But when I get the upgrade and the Sony server I will have to recable and I believe run a cat 6 and maybe some other cables like an RS 232 null modem to the 1000ES uograded..

Its nice to know my analysis of the failure was spot on. I am beat for now. Played with the RC controls a bit and there is less aggression spread out over a wider area. But it is still difficult to fine tune it because you really can't tell what two positions (one for Res, one for noise) are best. Looks good at 3840 with the R set to about 69 and the noise filter to about 17 but I dunno what is right and at this point I really don't care. Tomorrow will be another day for playing.. .
Edited by mark haflich - 11/17/13 at 8:53am
post #6792 of 9657
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

marc you're correct, the RC controls when fed native 4K signal is much less aggressive to the point where I'm not sure it's even doing much even with cranking the controls. I studied this closely the other night when feeding it a native 4K source from my new 4K HTPC setup.

When fed a 1080P source and RC turned on, I found it just about as rough as the HW50 where it just looks too aggressive even on top quality sources like Skyfall and Oblivion. If this all people know who have had the VW1000 for the last 2 years, IMO they are missing out on the real performance of this projector. I was surprised how much better it looks being scaled from the HTPC.

seeing 4K clips and a PC desktop running 3840 x 2160 is the real eye opener, it's remarkable how much detail the projector has when fed a top quality source. Now I see where the $$ went into this lens. We are looking at very small fonts that are quite clear on all 4 corners of the screen. If the VW600 lens can pull this off, then they did a heck of a job but it's hard to believe since this seems like a very difficult task requiring expensive lens elements.

I'd still like to see the RC changes in the motherboard update, not everyone who has this projector is going to grab a 2041 or build a 4K capable HTPC.

Now I am on a mission to hunt down as much 4K content as I can find, from the few I've seen so far, it's just amazing.

To me there is a big difference between the RC on the HW50/55 and the VW1000 and I find the RC on the VW1000 to be alot better. Of course when fed a 4K native signal in the PC is much less agressive and I don´t see a big difference in using RC when it is fed a 4K native signal. But when fed a 1080p signal I find RC to be very good on the VW1000, and I don´t see many disadvantages in using it with BD. I have never tested the VW1000 with other than native 4K and BD so I have never seen RC with poor signals in so I can not comment on that as I only use my VW1000 for movies.smile.gif
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post #6794 of 9657

Hi all !

Help me find ip control protocol of Sony VPL-vw1000.

Thanks a lot.

post #6795 of 9657
Here's a note from an old email I found, from Sony:

"The manual does not fully detail all steps to enabling IP control, but we need to enable "PJ Talk" from the web menu of the projector.

Start on page 60 of the users manual to load the web menu of the projector using a computer.
Login is : Root
Pw is : (blank)

Go to the setup tab and I believe PJ Talk will be under the advanced menu of the setup tab.

There have been some firmware issues related to enabling PJ Talk, if the serial number of your unit is above 1100264. Then you should be in the clear. If you are 1100264 or below and having trouble enabling PJ Talk then you will need to contact our ES support hotline(866-924-7669)."

Here's a control doc from Sony:

The port number for IP Control is: 53484
post #6796 of 9657
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Originally Posted by Seegs108 View Post

He's using a 780Ti and can only send a 4K signal at 24hz and UHD up to 30hz. What do you mean by full projection screen display? The card can render a desktop image any any resolution the display is capable of. So both 4096x2160 or 3840x2160 will work fine and be "full" images from his PC. It's no different than a PC monitor. The Sony's inputs are limited to those refresh rates via HDMI 1.4 but the card is capable of more via the Displayport and dual link DVI ports which he should be able to use once the projector gets the new board to support 60hz at the resolutions just mentioned.

Thanks for the quick response.

I am using a XFX R7850 connected to the 1000ES via HDMI which only fills about 85% of the screen and outputs at 60fps or maybe hz. So I got frustrated and sort of gave up because the 4K images from youtube were not that impressive not being displayed full screen.

I also tried the Timescapes on USB and was equally unimpressed so any suggestions on how to get my computer's desktop to display full screen on the projector would be appreciated.
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Originally Posted by Andreas21 View Post

To me there is a big difference between the RC on the HW50/55 and the VW1000 and I find the RC on the VW1000 to be alot better. Of course when fed a 4K native signal in the PC is much less agressive and I don´t see a big difference in using RC when it is fed a 4K native signal. But when fed a 1080p signal I find RC to be very good on the VW1000, and I don´t see many disadvantages in using it with BD. I have never tested the VW1000 with other than native 4K and BD so I have never seen RC with poor signals in so I can not comment on that as I only use my VW1000 for movies.smile.gif

The RC looks fine on animations and with newer movies, but even in dark scenes in Oblivion I am seeing too much noise in the background from the RC at minimum setting. Perhaps the brightness from the HP is making it more obvious. An older, grainy movie like the nordic version of Fifth Element is too rough for me with the RC turned on. I think it looks much better with the Jriver / MadVR scaling.

David @ HDTV had the same experience during his VW1000 review but said it was better with the new RC controls built in the VW500/600. I'm hoping these software changes make their way into the VW1100 motherboard upgrade. If it doesn't then I would just likely use the HTPC for all upscaling.
post #6799 of 9657
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Originally Posted by discodol View Post

Thanks for the quick response.

I am using a XFX R7850 connected to the 1000ES via HDMI which only fills about 85% of the screen and outputs at 60fps or maybe hz. So I got frustrated and sort of gave up because the 4K images from youtube were not that impressive not being displayed full screen.

I also tried the Timescapes on USB and was equally unimpressed so any suggestions on how to get my computer's desktop to display full screen on the projector would be appreciated.

I finally figured it out!

Once I selected the correct display settings I then had to adjust the picture zoom and position until the computer desktop fit the projector screen.

Thanks for getting me to think!!
post #6800 of 9657
Yeah, there was no way you were sending a 4K or UHD image to the projector at 60hz because the 1000ES can't accept one, yet. It will only accept 24&30hz at 3840x2160 and 24hz at 4096x2160. You were probably sending it a lower resolution and there must have been some sort of overscan, cropping or stretch mode enabled if you weren't getting a full desktop.
post #6801 of 9657
Feeding the Sony UHD or 4K is a new experience. For example you can't adjust the panel alignment feeding those resolutions. you must feed it say 1080p 60 or the Sony won't display the alignment pattern and you can't input one. Likewise motion flow doesn't wotk at UHD or 4K. There may be more.
post #6802 of 9657
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I was waiting until after the upgrade + 4K media server but will likely have some info soon after I get my 4K HTPC setup tuned up.

So far I'm happy with the JRiver / MadVR scaling vs. reality creation scaling. The RC scared me off a bit the first few nights, I think it's too aggressive even in the lowest setting. The scaling from the HTPC looks much more natural imo and of course the 4K clips i've seen + raw NEF files from my Nikon D90 are in a different league vs. the best 1080P content out there (Oblivion right now).

I'm hoping Sony puts the same RC controls into the upgraded motherboard that are found in the VW600.

I don't recall, are you also running an HTPC setup for the VW1000?



No, I've only had borrowed a PC with native UHD on

dj
Edited by d.j. - 11/17/13 at 2:13pm
post #6803 of 9657
Nvidia has this info on their 780 GTX Ti page:

3840x2160 at 30Hz or 4096x2160 at 24Hz supported over HDMI. 4096x2160 (including 3840x2160) at 60Hz supported over Displayport.


Display port -> HDMI should be a direct pinout so with a driver update, I can't see why we wouldn't be able to use the display port to drive 3840 @ 60hz after the update.
post #6804 of 9657
I'm fairly certain the dual link DVI ports supports the appropriate bandwidth needed as well and you shouldn't need a driver update for it to work. Something like this should be all you need (coupled with a high speed HDMI cable):

http://www.cablesandkits.com/dvid-dual-link-male-to-hdmi-female-adapter-p-3378.html?gclid=CKWG4-Ho7LoCFWrNOgodvHsA8Q
post #6805 of 9657
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Feeding the Sony UHD or 4K is a new experience. For example you can't adjust the panel alignment feeding those resolutions. you must feed it say 1080p 60 or the Sony won't display the alignment pattern and you can't input one. Likewise motion flow doesn't wotk at UHD or 4K. There may be more.

Looks like you may need a PC. MadVR is coming out with a convergence error system that's supposedly better than any projectors (ie less loss of resolution). That will replace the panel alignment feature you can't use when showing a true 4K image. Then you could use SVP SmoothVideo to replace Sony's motion flow. After testing and comparing it to Mitsubishi's FI system, which reviewers say is the best, and I can say it works just as well and sometimes a little better. The best of all, these are all free pieces of software.
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Feeding the Sony UHD or 4K is a new experience. For example you can't adjust the panel alignment feeding those resolutions. you must feed it say 1080p 60 or the Sony won't display the alignment pattern and you can't input one. Likewise motion flow doesn't wotk at UHD or 4K. There may be more.

I am sorry Mark, but this is old news!smile.gif
post #6807 of 9657
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

The RC looks fine on animations and with newer movies, but even in dark scenes in Oblivion I am seeing too much noise in the background from the RC at minimum setting. Perhaps the brightness from the HP is making it more obvious. An older, grainy movie like the nordic version of Fifth Element is too rough for me with the RC turned on. I think it looks much better with the Jriver / MadVR scaling.

David @ HDTV had the same experience during his VW1000 review but said it was better with the new RC controls built in the VW500/600. I'm hoping these software changes make their way into the VW1100 motherboard upgrade. If it doesn't then I would just likely use the HTPC for all upscaling.



Have you tried to adjust the noise R ( with the resolution at minimum ) - the higher it goes the less noise ( but it then gets softer in the Picture Again, so its a compromise ).

I prefer Res at minimum and NR at 4 ( I tested a lot with one , two and three pixels on/off patterns rolleyes.gif ) that is with the sharpness control at minimum or "1" ( it interacts with the settings in the RC - even the contrast setting interacts eek.gif )

dj
post #6808 of 9657
I'm fairly certain I was able to adjust the panels with a 3840 desktop signal. I'll check later tonight.

For those playing around with 4K HTPC output, check out this 4K video:

http://depositfiles.com/files/3usxranbg

it's short but amazing how much detail there is.

SonyVW1000-9.jpg
post #6809 of 9657
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Originally Posted by Seegs108 View Post

Looks like you may need a PC. MadVR is coming out with a convergence error system that's supposedly better than any projectors (ie less loss of resolution). That will replace the panel alignment feature you can't use when showing a true 4K image. Then you could use SVP SmoothVideo to replace Sony's motion flow. After testing and comparing it to Mitsubishi's FI system, which reviewers say is the best, and I can say it works just as well and sometimes a little better. The best of all, these are all free pieces of software.

Well, the panels can be aligned by using a lower input resolution. I am curious as to exactly what resolution the Sony alignment test pattern is>.. Does a higher resolution mean the panel alignment corrects will be different than for a lower resolution. we are aligning for the display resolution I would think.
post #6810 of 9657
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Originally Posted by Supraman321 View Post

Sorry to go off on a tangent but has anyone gotten ps3 3d glasses working with the vw1000? Trying to find some inexpensive alternatives to the stock glasses.

Yes they work. But they are not anywhere as sensitive to the emitter as the provided ones. I was able to get by without the external emitter with the included ones, but I will need to get the emitter attached to be able to use those. But since they are $15-$20 a piece, it will be worth it.
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