Originally Posted by joerod
Hell even the Samsung 7500 and new Panny is better at 4K up scaling than the Lumagen. The Oppo is head and shoulders above all of them because of he Darbee implementation. Of course you won't ever know because you won't buy a 103D. And yes I had the Lumagen here. Soft in comparison. Of course if you don't A/B then I guess you are fine. I can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take....
A typical illogical response, condeming a product that you have not seen based on its performance and championing another based on illogic. Great reporting. Do you think readers here are that stupid not to see what you are doing and how you are doing it even though you do not see it yourself? Unless you have seen a recent Lumagen after an alg was fixed, you have condemned the scaling in the Lumagen when you haven't seen the current scaling.
Unlike you, I said I have not seen the other unit (for me the Oppo 103D)(for you the current Lumagen 2041 or 2042). This is reporting by you at its worst. You are damaging a manufacturer without seeing what you are condemning (the latest scaling).
You say the Oppo 103D has 4K scaling heads and shoulders above all the rest because of its Darbee implementation. This is a reasons statement that makes no sense. The Darbee algs are not scaling algs, they do not increase resolution. The same algs etc are in both the Lumagens and the Oppo 103D. Exactly the same, confirmed, and the Oppo after drug testing was steroid free. You did say it used Darbee algs on steroids?
In the Oppo 103D the Darbee algs are applied at the user's option and degree after uscaling to 1080p as may be necessary for sources below 1080p in resolution and before further upscaling to UHD or 4K by the Silicon Images chip, which of course as you may not know is the old Anchor Bay chip. If the scaling is better in the Oppo 103D it would likely be due to the Silicon Images chip and would have absolutely nothing to do with the Darbee. In fact, and for reasons a non technical person would not understand, the Darbee algs after intensive testing by several users and at least one licensee, works best when applied at the source resolution level. For bluray sources the Lumagen and Oppo 103D apply them at that level. For lower resolutions the Lumagen apllies them at the source resolution, the Oppo 103D contrary to the ideal applies them after upscaling to 1080p. This is not in condemnation of the Oppo. I haven't seen it and I am sure it does a great job.
The Silicon images chip has been reported as having minor ringing. The Lumagen scaling is ring free. While almost all scalers ring to some degree and such ringing by definition of the term ringing masks or hide high frequency detail at contrast transitions, many non critical viewers would not notice. This is good for them and perhaps for you. Even I can live with losing high frequency detail at transitions and still enjoy the game but with my Lumagen, I have no ringing. Added by edit. By introducing some ringing, the image can indeed appear sharper because the transitions are more abrupt because its like a cliff with the halo markiing the edge and making it very obvious or sharp. The downside besides seeing the halo which is an artifact pure and simple.is that the high frequency detail is lost. So more sharp if you will but less detail
Tell you what. Later, I will be glad to fly into Chicago with of course the aid of a plane and I will bring my Lumagen. We can play all day comparing the end reslt scaling to UHD of both, take pictures, and both report on the results. We can even have a 3rd party referee to insure against bilateral hostilities. Of you could come to my house in MD. Bring your wife. I'll pick you up at the airport, BWI works best. You will have a great time, can stay for a few days, and we can do the comparison here.
Its a good thing we are friends or these posts could be uglier. Edited by mark haflich - 11/25/13 at 2:25pm