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Originally Posted by Wizziwig View Post

I assume you guys are already following this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1500134/anyone-know-where-to-find-4k-test-files-not-youtube
Thanks for that link. I downloaded everything I could find on it to my RAID.

I went to watch something (not 4K) with my wife Sunday evening and wasn't getting any sound, so I rebooted. The PC came up saying that Windows needed to scan my HDD. It did that, but found no errors. The thing is that I have an SSD, so no idea what was going on. Anyway, it never progressed past that point, so I powered it off and it never came back up after that. The power supply appears to be dead now. No power at all. Ugh! I'm hoping that's all it is at this point, but I did apply 41 Windows updates VERY recently and also upgrade to JRiver MC19. The HTPC wasn't happy before the PS died. I'll see....

I ordered a new 750W PS and Intel SSD that were deeply discounted Monday on Amazon Black Friday week long sales. Good timing. When they show up tomorrow, I'll get to figure out what was wrong and get it working again. THEN I'll install my Radeon R9 290 and play some more. Fun, fun, fun! rolleyes.gif

I'm an old Computer Science major with over 30 years in the biz, so this isn't all that hard for me, just time consuming and a little frustrating thanks to cheaper hardware that's simply not built to last like it used to. I can certainly understand why Mark H. and others shy away from HTPCs. However, when they're working, they have a lot of benefits. When they're working..... mad.gif

Fortunately, I'm not dead in the water. I still have a working Oppo BDP-93 with old firmware that can read/play .iso files and my Lumagen works just fine. I can also copy anything from the RAID to my eSATA or USB 3.0 drives to play back on the Oppo for family to watch this week. biggrin.gif
Edited by stevenjw - 11/26/13 at 4:12pm
post #6992 of 9633
Steven, try this one in particular...

http://box.houkouonchi.jp/4k/beauty_taiwan_4k_final-ed.mp4

There are some mixed contrast scenes that look excellent.
post #6993 of 9633
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

And what was the model of the Lumagen you returned, or if Mike is reading he can chime in?

One doesn't need to read your reviews to get a good sense of them since you see the fallout from them on a lot of these threads when people start calling you on absorb technical comments that make no sense or are downright false. I remember this happening just a little while back with the Oppo 103D that you claimed had some super Darbee processing that was anything but. Also, no I don't have a 1000ES and I've no interest in getting one either but do you see me commenting on its technical performance or anything else about it here? I refrain from talking out of my rear end on products I don't know about, haven't used or have the technical know how to back up my claims. And the way I'm talking about you here probably shows a lot about how far you've come. I see a lot of other comments on these boards, even from "friends", that should tell you as well. But if you want to take that as a compliment, you go right ahead.

So you decided to take time out of your busy schedule to come take shots at me in the 1000ES thread? A projector in which you have no interest in? Shouldn't it have been easy to find me since you claim I am in a lot of these threads? Why didn't you in the Lumagen thread? Oh right that's because I never posted anything negative there. I did a quick comparison and wasn't a fan of the 4K up scaling and the same 1980s style GUI. Wasn't my cup of tea. I am happy with my Duo and what it does for the money. You are really making your self look bad by trying to call me out on what products I have had in my rack. I don't do this for a living again and can't do a full scale write up on everything. I know I took a pic of it and will gladly post it but I shouldn't have to prove myself to you. Wow Home Theater magazine must be really booming these days. Even my Wife was laughing at your last post. Are you going to the show in January? I will gladly take you to dinner and supply all proof on my ipad or laptop. Name the place and I will be there. And I have already received messages from many (thank you by the way) telling me not to worry about your posts and that they enjoy my Reviews.

I apologize for responding (again) to Kris's attempts to discredit me. As I have said before success breeds followers and I guess sometimes negativity as well. Pretty amazing when you consider what I say worthy of debating when I am a hobbyist at heart.
post #6994 of 9633
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Originally Posted by sanderdvd View Post

No. madVR is not just a filter. madVR is a full renderer which has filters build in. And also, madVR IS all about scaling. That is THE main purpose of madVR. The well known JINC3 algorithm IS a scaling algorithm.

Yes Sander correct. I've been using MadVR since early on and am fully aware that it renders. I know that it has a scaling tab, however in my book the GPU itself is where up-scaling commences, regardless of what filter is used to process the image. If you are running a non MadVR compatible video app, you are still by default having whatever the original resolution is upscaled to the output resolution. I know I haven't used JINC3 in MadVR as yet, particularly since last night was the first time in a while that I've taken out the Darbee to allow 4K. Without JINC3 and using my standard settings as per the original AVS MadVR set up thread i.e. Bicubic etc., letting the PC upscale 1080p or 720p mkvs looked very soft to me. When I switched back I immediately noticed the difference. For the sake of it I'm going to check out this much lauded JINC3 algorithm tonight and try to see if I how it performs and if I'm wowed by it.
post #6995 of 9633
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Originally Posted by OzHDHT View Post

I've read all of the talk of RC not functioning with 4K via all 4K sources. I haven't used 4K off HTPC for a while, but I just hooked it up now to have a go playing back some demos. Out of curiosity I went into the menu and discovered RC is accessible and adjustable. Am I missing something or isn't the RC menu supposed to to totally N/A? Both 3860x2160p and 4096x2160p modes allow access to the RC menu.

I was looking at this close up the other night when running some 3840x2160 clips on the HTPC and also looking at the Burosch full 4K patterns. Even cranking the the RC settings, it's a bit difficult to see any changes. I wonder if this will change after the upgrade.

I'd like to see the 2041 Lumagen and the MadVR scaling side by side for 1080P content so it might be time to trade in the mini 3D for the 2041. cool.gif

This 4K hobby is starting to add up..

What I really want for the holidays is this... biggrin.gif

Sony_FDR-AX1_1002485.jpg
post #6996 of 9633
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

Steven, try this one in particular...

http://box.houkouonchi.jp/4k/beauty_taiwan_4k_final-ed.mp4

There are some mixed contrast scenes that look excellent.

Downloaded it, but will need to get my HTPC up and working again and then slap in the new video card and get that working before I can view any 4K@24p. I'll certainly check this one out based off your recommendation.
post #6997 of 9633
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I was looking at this close up the other night when running some 3840x2160 clips on the HTPC and also looking at the Burosch full 4K patterns. Even cranking the the RC settings, it's a bit difficult to see any changes. I wonder if this will change after the upgrade.

I'd like to see the 2041 Lumagen and the MadVR scaling side by side for 1080P content so it might be time to trade in the mini 3D for the 2041. cool.gif

This 4K hobby is starting to add up..

What I really want for the holidays is this... biggrin.gif

Sony_FDR-AX1_1002485.jpg

Yeah I was checking that out too. But I didn't want to look like a film crew at kids sports games! smile.gif
post #6998 of 9633
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

Yeah I was checking that out too. But I didn't want to look like a film crew at kids sports games! smile.gif

I want one! smile.gif

That and the new 3D helmet. biggrin.gif
post #6999 of 9633
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

And what was the model of the Lumagen you returned, or if Mike is reading he can chime in?

One doesn't need to read your reviews to get a good sense of them since you see the fallout from them on a lot of these threads when people start calling you on absorb technical comments that make no sense or are downright false. I remember this happening just a little while back with the Oppo 103D that you claimed had some super Darbee processing that was anything but. Also, no I don't have a 1000ES and I've no interest in getting one either but do you see me commenting on its technical performance or anything else about it here? I refrain from talking out of my rear end on products I don't know about, haven't used or have the technical know how to back up my claims. And the way I'm talking about you here probably shows a lot about how far you've come. I see a lot of other comments on these boards, even from "friends", that should tell you as well. But if you want to take that as a compliment, you go right ahead.

I haven't paid attention to this thread in a good month. I guess I'm waiting until we get 4k players in the upgrade and have something to talk about. I did get a 2041 6 months ago though and returned it.

Its definitely soft with 4k upscaling. When I asked Lumagen about that they said it was because it was a brand new product and there would be updates. Huh? I didn't feel confident with that at all. I guess if their software updates fixed that--but I seriously doubt they did, how could it? What I saw was very blah.

And in addition to that, the lumagen just added way too much complexity to my system, for no benefit that I could tell. 1080p out of my oppo 103 was much better than upscaled out of the 2041. That's a fact, not an opinion. I'm not sure who said it, but as far as I can tell with using the 1000ES a video processor is a waste. I asked that accucal calibrator guy what he thought, and he said there was no need for a lumagen with this projector. Turns out he was right, I just wanted to try it for myself. the UI is the worst ever. There's no IP control. The HDMI handshakes were hit and miss. Its just a lame product in my opinion. The only reason to have one would be to improve an inferior projector that's seriously lacking…..but why would you get a piece of **** projector then spend $4k+ on a lumagen setup (lumagen, software, colorimeter, etc…)?

Sorry, had to chime in. I see Joe is taking some heat, and its unfair as I agree with assessment.
post #7000 of 9633
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I was looking at this close up the other night when running some 3840x2160 clips on the HTPC and also looking at the Burosch full 4K patterns. Even cranking the the RC settings, it's a bit difficult to see any changes. I wonder if this will change after the upgrade.

I'd like to see the 2041 Lumagen and the MadVR scaling side by side for 1080P content so it might be time to trade in the mini 3D for the 2041. cool.gif

This 4K hobby is starting to add up..

What I really want for the holidays is this... biggrin.gif

Sony_FDR-AX1_1002485.jpg


+1. Seems you're experiencing what I was last night with RC @ 3840x2160p. Hopefully I get to see a VW1100 in the next few days, seeing as it didn't turn up as suggested last week and can answer that question.

I'm getting keener and keener on adding a Lumagen to my system as well. The 2041 would fit the bill nicely. Although Mookie's experience doesn't sound crash hot at all with one. I'd like to hear that the software update has been a serious step up. The HDMI handshaking issues sound like a potential pain too, I hate it when HDMI gets flakey.

That is a cool semi-pro camera that Sony 4K. Wouldn't mind one either.
post #7001 of 9633
Mookie:
Yes the software was updated, some scaling bugs removed, and the scaling was improved. That is why we use a Field Programmable Gate Array (FPGA) so we can change the HARDWARE algorithms. And yes we will continue to improve the the Radiance products. Sorry you were not willing to wait.

Anyone who says the Radiance does not do a better job than projectors/display for calibrations does not understand the mathematical errors TVs and projectors introduce by using a non-linear color space for their calibration. We are told all the time how the Radiance Linear-Gamma RGB 5x5x5 and 9x9x9 LUT calibration has visibly improved users colorimetry verses calibrated TVs or projectors to the point where customers are wowed by the color improvements.

The Menu is intended for professional users. Most users do not even need to use the Menu. Output rate selection is automatic for HDMI displays, and the calibration software eliminates the need to even look through the Menu for calibration. Given how many features it has, we chose a menu tree structure that is logically arranged by function. Sorry you do not like it.

And sorry you did not like the 2041, but given you had it for virtually no time, and did nothing with it, and it has been significantly improved since you saw it, I suggest your comments are out of place. We get nothing but praise from the vast majority of our customers, many of whom are professionals in the film and video industry who know what a correct and accurate image is supposed to look like.
post #7002 of 9633
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Originally Posted by mookie b View Post

I haven't paid attention to this thread in a good month. I guess I'm waiting until we get 4k players in the upgrade and have something to talk about. I did get a 2041 6 months ago though and returned it.

Its definitely soft with 4k upscaling. When I asked Lumagen about that they said it was because it was a brand new product and there would be updates. Huh? I didn't feel confident with that at all. I guess if their software updates fixed that--but I seriously doubt they did, how could it? What I saw was very blah.

And in addition to that, the lumagen just added way too much complexity to my system, for no benefit that I could tell. 1080p out of my oppo 103 was much better than upscaled out of the 2041. That's a fact, not an opinion. I'm not sure who said it, but as far as I can tell with using the 1000ES a video processor is a waste. I asked that accucal calibrator guy what he thought, and he said there was no need for a lumagen with this projector. Turns out he was right, I just wanted to try it for myself. the UI is the worst ever. There's no IP control. The HDMI handshakes were hit and miss. Its just a lame product in my opinion. The only reason to have one would be to improve an inferior projector that's seriously lacking…..but why would you get a piece of **** projector then spend $4k+ on a lumagen setup (lumagen, software, colorimeter, etc…)?

Sorry, had to chime in. I see Joe is taking some heat, and its unfair as I agree with assessment.

Sorry Mookie, disagree firmly on this. My XS brings the 1000 to a new level. Gamma/greyscale/CMS calibration makes a great image better, and the 1080 scaling is superior to the 1000. Yes, it takes time to learn it, and additional investment in a meter and software.But properly calibrated image on the 1000 is colorful, dimensional, and extremely life-like.

As Jim from Lumagen pointed out, the early iterations of the the 4k upscalers did not use their no-ring algorithms out of the box, but this was later updated with free firmware. Why it didn't from the start I don't know, but Lumagen is actually very good with both bug fixes and feature enhancements.

IP would be nice, but there is thorough IR and RS 232 control. Handshake issues exist but I find them extremely rare and impossible to pin to the Lumagen with certainty.
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An additional comment on HDMI:

Everyone knows HDMI has connectivity issues. The signals speeds are very high and demand the best possible cables to get reliable results.

We have found that the 4k output chips used in the 20XX series have faster edge rates and that these faster edge rates may require 4k capable cables even when running at 1080p60. This was not something we expected to find, but once it showed up was easy to understand using Transmission Line Theory. Transmission Line Theory states that faster edge rates place more demands on the transmission medium. In this case it is the HDMI cable. We have had a few customers who had to upgrade from 2k rated cables to 4k rated cables on the Radiance 20XX output - even running 1080p60.

This is specific to the 4k output chips we are using rather than specific to the Radiance line. That said, it does sometimes force people to upgrade cabling, or add an HDMI extender, to get reliable HDMI connections with these new 4K HDMI output chips. However, in many cases people are using their older 2k rated cables without any issues.
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

Sorry Mookie, disagree firmly on this. My XS brings the 1000 to a new level. Gamma/greyscale/CMS calibration makes a great image better, and the 1080 scaling is superior to the 1000. Yes, it takes time to learn it, and additional investment in a meter and software.But properly calibrated image on the 1000 is colorful, dimensional, and extremely life-like.

As Jim from Lumagen pointed out, the early iterations of the the 4k upscalers did not use their no-ring algorithms out of the box, but this was later updated with free firmware. Why it didn't from the start I don't know, but Lumagen is actually very good with both bug fixes and feature enhancements.

IP would be nice, but there is thorough IR and RS 232 control. Handshake issues exist but I find them extremely rare and impossible to pin to the Lumagen with certainty.

I have to concur with Thrang again concerning Lumagen support and great 1080p PQ. My Lumagen XS3D provides a CMS that does not exists in the Sony. I don't have the 2041, but Mark H. has pointed out that it produces a ring-free 4K upscale which the Sony does not do. And as Jim Peterson points out, the LUT calibration is an improvement even on projectors with a CMS. I've used the automated process coupled with a good meter and Calman 5 to provide markedly improved grayscale and color calibration on several projectors now (JVC RS40, Epson 6010, Sony 1000ES). The added 3D LUT support was a very nice free firmware update from Lumagen. Sadly, Calman required a license upgrade for LUT AutoCal. frown.gif

Yes, none of this equipment is free, but I think the investment was and still is worth it. The Lumagen Radiance XS3D produces the best 1080p PQ possible from all of my legacy and 1080p sources.

Now is it worth it for 4K, I can't say. I'm skipping the current Lumagen generation of 4K out and will wait for a complete 4K solution, should I choose to upgrade. Until there's more 4K source, there's no rush IMHO to upgrade at this point. The MB upgrade with 4K player from Sony isn't out yet. Since their player will send out 4K, there won't be any upscaling needed. While a Lumagen 4K in/out solution will provide great 4K upscaling/CMS/no-ring scaling, my XS3D still works great for 1080p and the only sources I have for 4K will the Sony player and my HTPC, which should probably look as good at scaling based on what I read. Once 4K optical disc players come out (and I'll only buy an Oppo 4K), then I'll consider upgrading my Lumagen. I can wait because I have a XS3D. If I didn't have one, I'd already own a 204X.

Finally, I also have to agree that a 21st century 4KHD GUI would be a welcome improvement. Is the old menu a show-stopper, absolutely not. However, an improved GUI complete with Help function would be most welcome. Obviously, Jim is reading this thread, so I'm hoping it will be there in the next generation 4K-in Lumagen. wink.gifbiggrin.gif
post #7005 of 9633
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Originally Posted by BOBCAT View Post

On he VW1000 upgrade, Do we get to keep the old main board?

Mike, have upgrade kits arrived?

No. frown.gif
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post #7006 of 9633
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

And what was the model of the Lumagen you returned, or if Mike is reading he can chime in?

One doesn't need to read your reviews to get a good sense of them since you see the fallout from them on a lot of these threads when people start calling you on absorb technical comments that make no sense or are downright false. I remember this happening just a little while back with the Oppo 103D that you claimed had some super Darbee processing that was anything but. Also, no I don't have a 1000ES and I've no interest in getting one either but do you see me commenting on its technical performance or anything else about it here? I refrain from talking out of my rear end on products I don't know about, haven't used or have the technical know how to back up my claims. And the way I'm talking about you here probably shows a lot about how far you've come. I see a lot of other comments on these boards, even from "friends", that should tell you as well. But if you want to take that as a compliment, you go right ahead.

From me, Joe purchased a Lumagen Mini 3D. Don't know what other Lumagen, he has had his hands on.
Edited by AV Science Sales 5 - 11/26/13 at 9:28pm
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post #7007 of 9633
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I was looking at this close up the other night when running some 3840x2160 clips on the HTPC and also looking at the Burosch full 4K patterns. Even cranking the the RC settings, it's a bit difficult to see any changes. I wonder if this will change after the upgrade.

I'd like to see the 2041 Lumagen and the MadVR scaling side by side for 1080P content so it might be time to trade in the mini 3D for the 2041. cool.gif

This 4K hobby is starting to add up..

What I really want for the holidays is this... biggrin.gif

Sony_FDR-AX1_1002485.jpg

I would have figured your wife would say the VW1000ES was your Christmas present. Maybe birthday too. smile.gif
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post #7008 of 9633
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

From me, Joe purchased a Lumagen Mini 3D. Don't know what other Lumagen, he has had his hands on.

Was this the one with soft scaling Joe?
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

Was this the one with soft scaling Joe?

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Originally Posted by jrp View Post

An additional comment on HDMI:

This is specific to the 4k output chips we are using rather than specific to the Radiance line. That said, it does sometimes force people to upgrade cabling, or add an HDMI extender, to get reliable HDMI connections with these new 4K HDMI output chips. However, in many cases people are using their older 2k rated cables without any issues.

I have a 45 foot run of Belden HDMI cable that was the best Blue Jeans cable offered for long runs, 4 years ago. I hope that will work with 4K output from my Radiance 2041.

Failing that, I also have a run of CAT5 cable to my projector. Would that be any more likely to pass a 4K signal for that length from the Lumagen?

Thanks,
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Pleased to announced my VW1100 has just arrived today. I will hopefully get time to unbox and possibly swap over units tonight. Looks like I may be kicking off the official owner's thread later tonight wink.gif
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great news! I'm sure everyone waiting for the update will appreciate the information on the changes. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by stevenjw View Post

Finally, I also have to agree that a 21st century 4KHD GUI would be a welcome improvement. Is the old menu a show-stopper, absolutely not. However, an improved GUI complete with Help function would be most welcome. Obviously, Jim is reading this thread, so I'm hoping it will be there in the next generation 4K-in Lumagen. wink.gifbiggrin.gif

stevenjw and thrang:

Thanks for your comments.

stevenjw:
I won't say our menu is the prettiest out there. So yes, you are correct, we could make it better, but also as you point out it is not a show stopper. We also get a lot of positive comments on our menu for its logical structure of the many features. Once calibrators get used to the structure many (but not all of course) like the interface as a logical way to access all the power of the Radiance setup features. While the Menu improvement would be nice, we are concentrating our resources on constant video improvement. That is, whenever we think of working on the Menu, it loses to the next video improvement.

IP control would also be nice, but honesty this is again not a show stopper for our professional installers. All decent control systems can support RS232 and IR, and the Radiance RS232/IR control works very well. So as for IP control, this again is something that takes a back seat to video enhancements. As simple as it sounds adding a cost effective IP interface would require a completely different microprocessor, with a Real-Time operating system and a lot of software resources. These are resources we do not have at the moment. It is certainly something we want to add when we can though.

While not a a GUI based Help function, I want to make sure you are using the HELP button which does provide useful information on screen about most of the menu options.
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

I have a 45 foot run of Belden HDMI cable that was the best Blue Jeans cable offered for long runs, 4 years ago. I hope that will work with 4K output from my Radiance 2041.

Failing that, I also have a run of CAT5 cable to my projector. Would that be any more likely to pass a 4K signal for that length from the Lumagen?

Thanks,

Older HDMI 1.3 and HDMI 1.4 cables often do not support 4k. However, I have run 4K through a generic 50 foot HDMI 1.3 cable successfully. So it just might work for you since Blue Jeans cables are excellent.

The Lumagen CAT extender can pass 4k over CAT to about 60 feet using a CAT6A STP cable. This does require two CAT cables and since you have CAT5 this may not work for you. The latest generation of HD-BaseT extenders can pass 4k to about (I believe) 100 meters, over a single CAT cable. At the 45 foot range an HD-BaseT extender may be a good option for you even with older CAT5 cable.
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Originally Posted by jrp View Post

Mookie:
Yes the software was updated, some scaling bugs removed, and the scaling was improved. That is why we use a Field Programmable Gate Array (FPGA) so we can change the HARDWARE algorithms. And yes we will continue to improve the the Radiance products. Sorry you were not willing to wait.

Anyone who says the Radiance does not do a better job than projectors/display for calibrations does not understand the mathematical errors TVs and projectors introduce by using a non-linear color space for their calibration. We are told all the time how the Radiance Linear-Gamma RGB 5x5x5 and 9x9x9 LUT calibration has visibly improved users colorimetry verses calibrated TVs or projectors to the point where customers are wowed by the color improvements.

The Menu is intended for professional users. Most users do not even need to use the Menu. Output rate selection is automatic for HDMI displays, and the calibration software eliminates the need to even look through the Menu for calibration. Given how many features it has, we chose a menu tree structure that is logically arranged by function. Sorry you do not like it.

And sorry you did not like the 2041, but given you had it for virtually no time, and did nothing with it, and it has been significantly improved since you saw it, I suggest your comments are out of place. We get nothing but praise from the vast majority of our customers, many of whom are professionals in the film and video industry who know what a correct and accurate image is supposed to look like.

So the early version of the 2041 was not on par with lumagen's reputation of its excellent image? So I am not crazy with my findings? And I was only comparing 4K up scale.
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Originally Posted by mookie b View Post

I haven't paid attention to this thread in a good month. I guess I'm waiting until we get 4k players in the upgrade and have something to talk about. I did get a 2041 6 months ago though and returned it.

Its definitely soft with 4k upscaling. When I asked Lumagen about that they said it was because it was a brand new product and there would be updates. Huh? I didn't feel confident with that at all. I guess if their software updates fixed that--but I seriously doubt they did, how could it? What I saw was very blah.

And in addition to that, the lumagen just added way too much complexity to my system, for no benefit that I could tell. 1080p out of my oppo 103 was much better than upscaled out of the 2041. That's a fact, not an opinion. I'm not sure who said it, but as far as I can tell with using the 1000ES a video processor is a waste. I asked that accucal calibrator guy what he thought, and he said there was no need for a lumagen with this projector. Turns out he was right, I just wanted to try it for myself. the UI is the worst ever. There's no IP control. The HDMI handshakes were hit and miss. Its just a lame product in my opinion. The only reason to have one would be to improve an inferior projector that's seriously lacking…..but why would you get a piece of **** projector then spend $4k+ on a lumagen setup (lumagen, software, colorimeter, etc…)?

Sorry, had to chime in. I see Joe is taking some heat, and its unfair as I agree with assessment.

Exactly what I saw for the most part. Yet I am burned by the Lumagen supporters. I said I would gladly try another one to compare today. I only had it for 3 or 4 days but from what I was seeing with the 4K upscale I was disappointed. I remember some other 1000 owner sending me a message saying he saw the same thing too. Either way I would love to try one with the newest firmware.

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Edited by joerod - 12/2/13 at 5:25pm
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

From me, Joe purchased a Lumagen Mini 3D. Don't know what other Lumagen, he has had his hands on.

I don't buy every piece of equipment from AVS. I only mentioned calling you because I was guessing that maybe on Black Friday you would be having an awesome sale? And yes the Mini was the last item I purchased from you but returned because I wanted 4K upscale. So will there be a decent sale Friday or cyber Monday?

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Originally Posted by thrang View Post


As Jim from Lumagen pointed out, the early iterations of the the 4k upscalers did not use their no-ring algorithms out of the box, but this was later updated with free firmware. Why it didn't from the start I don't know, but Lumagen is actually very good with both bug fixes and feature enhancements.

IP would be nice, but there is thorough IR and RS 232 control. Handshake issues exist but I find them extremely rare and impossible to pin to the Lumagen with certainty.

Yet from Kris and his buddy I get bashed for pointing out my observations. For someone he considers "comical" and thinks very little of he sure cried foul over my Lumagen comments.
Heck even jrp landed in the 1000ES thread. I thought I wasn't supposed to notice what jrp admitted was a deficiency in the 2041's early life? And Kris tried to accuse me of not even having one! Better lucky than good I always say... Or could it have all been lucky guesses? Lol-I remember Kris used to ask to borrow DVhS tapes from me back in the day. Now he disagrees with my observations on a product even the owner/president claims what I saw was real and he behaves like this? Mark, do I get another ice cream? Ben And Jerry's new Cotton Candy is amazing!!!!

And Kris I have no hard feelings. That dinner invitation is still open. My Wife will be there because it's Vegas Baby as she pointed out. smile.gif
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Just back from an early dinner commitment. Before I went out, I managed to (inside and hour and a half) both mount the 1100, adjust the basic picture and test a bit of 4K. I just wanted to provide a quick update before I stop again and into some standard viewing time. The only real news I can report thus far is that I've noticed a new addition in the RC menu. It's called RC test. Very useful addition as it adds an automatic A/B mode to RC mode for whatever RC setting levels you select. I was able to very quickly via test pattern establish that RC resolution does indeed work in 4K in the 1100/upgrade. It seems to add not necessarily desirable edge enhancement to lines on test pattern i.e. the lines appear slightly fattened/smoothed off. If I'd video'ed it up close you could easily observe this effect with the RC test mode running. Noise reduction on the other hand doesn't seem to have much that can really be discerned at any level setting. So my conclusion here is essentially R/C as predicted by others, with the 1100/upgrade, RC acts as a pretty basic sharpening function with 4K. Not sure what other features I can currently test with the new hardware and being my Sony FMP-X1 hasn't landed yet(should have ordered it before last week), there isn't much else to test hardware-wise. All other parts and functions appear identical as expected in the VW1100. If I discover anything else new I'll certainly post about it. I would go as far to say based on what I've seen, the is nothing to gain by branching into a whole separate VW1100 owners thread. Particularly given everyone here has the opp shortly to get the MB upgrade done to give us all the same functionality. Def doesn't seem like Sony has deliberately held back any info on what the 1100 would feature as a few folks were postulating. No unexpected inclusions from the VW500/600 or anything.


The incoming 1100 as it crosses paths with the outgoing 1000



The 'fair dinkum' 5 minute projector exchange (including photo opp time)



New RC menu

post #7020 of 9633
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Yet from Kris and his buddy I get bashed for pointing out my observations. For someone he considers "comical" and thinks very little of he sure cried foul over my Lumagen comments.
Heck even jrp landed in the 1000ES thread. I thought I wasn't supposed to notice what jrp admitted was a deficiency in the 2041's early life? And Kris tried to accuse me of not even having one! Better lucky than good I always say... Or could it have all been lucky guesses? Lol-I remember Kris used to ask to borrow DVhS tapes from me back in the day. Now he disagrees with my observations on a product even the owner/president claims what I saw was real and he behaves like this? Mark, do I get another ice cream? Ben And Jerry's new Cotton Candy is amazing!!!!

And Kris I have no hard feelings. That dinner invitation is still open. My Wife will be there because it's Vegas Baby as she pointed out. smile.gif

You tried it and its not your fault it wasn't ready yet. From what you tried and the Oppo, you liked the Oppo better. Lumagen fixed the problem, so you have to spend $3000 again? I wouldn't either. So what's the big deal if you are satisfied with the less expensive Oppo.
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