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post #7951 of 9699
for ripped off UK and probably European eyes:mad:

this from Sony Prime Support

Thank you for your email. The upgrade has been released but we do not have any in stock as yet. The timeframe for this could be a couple of months.
Have you got a contract for the upgrade yet? You can purchase the following contract PSP.VW1000UPGRADE through your dealer for your device and then we can add you to the list for the upgrade once they come in.mad.gif
post #7952 of 9699
Obviously they are at the point where they can do laser with their 4k SXRD projectors. Maybe something this fall for the high end projector crowd with laser? How about a calibrated 2k plus lumens and laser, Sony?
post #7953 of 9699
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Guys none of these is brain science or new. You connect the puck to the same network as the tablet communicates to. Puck normally hard wired and the tablet wireless, you connect the projector via hdmi input 2 to the puck hdmi out one, you plug the puck power supply to a wall outlet and the low voltage side into the puck and you power up the puck by turning the puck switch to on. You down load the app onto the tablet and tell it to enable HDMI 2 for audio since the projector does not do audio. Follow the bouncing ball so to speak. Oh yea. No much of this will work until you get the mod so that HDMI input on the projector is enabled with HDCP 2.2. But you can down load the app and establish an account with Sony. No cc needed. I have posted all this before.

OK dumb question time. I'm scheduled to get the 1100 + puck later this month. My understanding is that the tablet is NOT included with the 1100 (only the 1000 upgrade). If this is true do I need to purchase the Sony tablet separately ; or maybe there is an ipad app?
post #7954 of 9699
The puck needs the tablet and the app will not work on any other tablet. There is a kit or package one can buy from your Sony dealer that includes the puck and the tablet and if you get these together at the time you get your projector you can save I think a $100. The package is around $1000. Talk to your dealer. The app store notes the app will only work with the Sony tablet. The apps free.
post #7955 of 9699
Hi Ben. Are you talking 4K or 2K for wireless?
post #7956 of 9699
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Originally Posted by turls View Post

I had no idea on specifics when I said LED, I was just continuing giving Mark a hard time. This thing is really something. I don't have a space I'd use it, but talk about a great Wii/Rock Band projector. Wouldn't have to do the extreme stadium seating like I did so heads wouldn't block the view, and much simpler than rear projection. For that matter, Sony should come out with something like this specifically for rear projection, don't worry about aesthetics or audio, and shave 10k off the price.

Turls. Its almost a complete regression to the all in one screen and 3 tube CRT projector combinations in the mall stores in the 70s. Except you need a wall and presumably a screen to mount on it. Other manufacturers will copy sony on this and I would except pricing to drop substantially with competition. I think the real unknown is the optics and how they will work and what is their cost and quality. Is there a mirror. Also what is the effective throw for matching with a screen. I think it likely that the unit would be used in much much less than a black pit and the picture would be optimized with a side light rejecting screen. But such screens require long throws. It could be one would have to use a gain of 1 screen or less to minimize hot spotting.
post #7957 of 9699
2K. I'm using my existing HDMI cable for 4k run directly from the server. I'm debating on using a balun and two of my CAT 6 runs or a wireless HDMI setup for the regular HD from my classe ct-SSP, which will likely never pass 4k.
post #7958 of 9699
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Originally Posted by ecossecableman View Post

for ripped off UK and probably European eyes:mad:

this from Sony Prime Support

Thank you for your email. The upgrade has been released but we do not have any in stock as yet. The timeframe for this could be a couple of months.
Have you got a contract for the upgrade yet? You can purchase the following contract PSP.VW1000UPGRADE through your dealer for your device and then we can add you to the list for the upgrade once they come in.mad.gif

At rip-off price and currently totally useless you might quickly get at the top of the list...
post #7959 of 9699
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Originally Posted by Ben Withrow View Post

Check out my post again. My questions weren't really about the basic hookup. I did get some misinformation about the projector needing a wired connection to the router (in this thread). I was curious about getting a second HDMI connection via wireless HDMI or a balun and getting your thoughts on that. The other related to reconfiguring my apple access points and if a hub or switch connected to one of them would do the trick for two LAN connections (which I know now are not needed).

Ben, my ref here to a general FMP-X1 FAQ being created was to help people with install questions they may have (as quite a few posts have been popping up), so it wasn't solely about your earlier questions in particular. Regarding the HDMI 2 audio output, using ways of transmitting the signal like that is not something a lot of people here would have tested so far as most people seem to be locating their X1's adjacent to their sound system. It may work fine with various HDMI extender options as its just for audio, there's no evidence so far to indicate that it wouldn't. If you have an access point on hand to get then X1's LAN connection to, then you should be set.
post #7960 of 9699
Not great news for those planning on using the DVDO Quick6 with the FMP - I ordered one, and only for 480p out from the FMP!

Called DVDO, and the Quick6 does not support HDCP 2.2, and it is a HW issue, so no firmware will fix that.

Amazon return label printing now...
post #7961 of 9699
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

Not great news for those planning on using the DVDO Quick6 with the FMP - I ordered one, and only for 480p out from the FMP!

Called DVDO, and the Quick6 does not support HDCP 2.2, and it is a HW issue, so no firmware will fix that.

Amazon return label printing now...

Wow what a shame. So is it the FMP that makes this device useless.
post #7962 of 9699
If the FMP doesn't not see the HDCP 2.2 confirmation, that the DVDO won't pass, it switches to 480p out. Of course it could be worse. Right now you could plug the FMP-1 into HDMI 1 on an unmodified or modified (upgraded) 1000ES and get 480p.
post #7963 of 9699
this would be tempting to check out if it had 60 frame support. That 1" sensor is pretty big for a camcorder and it's back-lit. It should perform relatively well in low light.

post #7964 of 9699
Yep i was quite excited except for 30 fps max. It would be a definite buy if it did 60.
post #7965 of 9699
While Quick6 won't do the trick. I was considering the DVDO air as a nice phantom HDMI cable for the HD run. You lose the easy switching, but I never really hoped to have that anytime soon. Plus, I can't stomach a processor replacement. What Sony should have done was provide an HDMI input or two so we could pass through HD from our other sources.
post #7966 of 9699
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Originally Posted by SMabille_UK View Post

At rip-off price and currently totally useless you might quickly get at the top of the list...


sorry, useless? in what way?
post #7967 of 9699
"useless" as in Sony Europe has no plan to lunch Video Unlimited 4K / puck in Europe, there is no (other) 4K source available requiring the upgrade in Europe AFAIK. (HT PC doesn't requires HDCP 2.2).
4K bluray might requires higher bandwidth than provided by the upgrade.

So I currently don't really see any point of upgrading in Europe....
post #7968 of 9699
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Originally Posted by SMabille_UK View Post

"useless" as in Sony Europe has no plan to lunch Video Unlimited 4K / puck in Europe, there is no (other) 4K source available requiring the upgrade in Europe AFAIK. (HT PC doesn't requires HDCP 2.2).
4K bluray might requires higher bandwidth than provided by the upgrade.

So I currently don't really see any point of upgrading in Europe....

ah yes.

However I have contacted Sony about this and await their response

not holding my breath though

Cant we get the puck and video from USA though?
post #7969 of 9699
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Originally Posted by ecossecableman View Post

ah yes.

However I have contacted Sony about this and await their response

not holding my breath though

Cant we get the puck and video from USA though?

Officially: No.

If you manage to get one shipped from the US (along with the tablet as the app apparently only install on US firmware), you can avoid geofencing of the service using a VPN terminating in the US, but you would need a router able to do that (consumer DD-WRT (and others) have VPN client included, if you have enterprise grade router you'll need to find a VPN provider doing router-router IPSEC not client IPSEC).
You will also need to find a VPN provider that doesn't restrict your bandwidth (too much) if you don't want to wait days for download. A good alternative if you are IT literate is to set up a VM on AWS as your VPN termination, cost probably slightly above the cost of a VPN (the instance should fit the free tier but not the bandwidth).

As the tablet is only needed when using the projector (not needed if used with a Sony TV) there is very little risk that Sony decide to force the use of the tablet GPS/localisation service to fix the VPN workaround.

The most likely approach they could use to fix the issue is to force the use of an US addressed Credit Card, banning the use of PSN voucher code... so buying oversea player might be short lived.
post #7970 of 9699
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Originally Posted by SMabille_UK View Post

Officially: No.

If you manage to get one shipped from the US (along with the tablet as the app apparently only install on US firmware), you can avoid geofencing of the service using a VPN terminating in the US, but you would need a router able to do that (consumer DD-WRT (and others) have VPN client included, if you have enterprise grade router you'll need to find a VPN provider doing router-router IPSEC not client IPSEC).
You will also need to find a VPN provider that doesn't restrict your bandwidth (too much) if you don't want to wait days for download. A good alternative if you are IT literate is to set up a VM on AWS as your VPN termination, cost probably slightly above the cost of a VPN (the instance should fit the free tier but not the bandwidth).

As the tablet is only needed when using the projector (not needed if used with a Sony TV) there is very little risk that Sony decide to force the use of the tablet GPS/localisation service to fix the VPN workaround.

The most likely approach they could use to fix the issue is to force the use of an US addressed Credit Card, banning the use of PSN voucher code... so buying oversea player might be short lived.

ouch!
post #7971 of 9699
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AL61OOO/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Working on other ideas with the FMP and will report back as I sift through them.
post #7972 of 9699
On another subject.... 3D glasses. We have always been big fans of the Monsters but again going through the tough charging phase. I was told to charge them on separate outlets. Again I have a few of them acting like they are in a coma! I think it is time to try something else. I have two pairs of the newer Optoma:
http://www.amazon.com/Optoma-BG-ZF2100GLS-Active-Shutter-Glasses/dp/B008PQJXFO/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1389274647&sr=1-1&keywords=optoma+3d+glasses but is there anything else out there more comfortable? These work pretty good but before I get more I just want to make sure there aren't better ones? Haven't tried Xpands since their first gen. Hmmmmm.
post #7973 of 9699
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AL61OOO/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Working on other ideas with the FMP and will report back as I sift through them.

I doubt that device will do you any good. There are several devices that will pass 4K. The Quick 6 will pass 4K. The problem is HDCP 2.2. If the device does not have that and I am pretty sure it will not, then it will not pass the 4K movies from the puck or from future 4K BD's. Let me rephrase that, It will not pass the 4K. It will down convert to 480P and pass the info.
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post #7974 of 9699
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

I doubt that device will do you any good. There are several devices that will pass 4K. The Quick 6 will pass 4K. The problem is HDCP 2.2. If the device does not have that and I am pretty sure it will not, then it will not pass the 4K movies from the puck or from future 4K BD's. Let me rephrase that, It will not pass the 4K. It will down convert to 480P and pass the info.

Yes, this is the key.

The only work around for me so far is to use a Lumagen mini to feed the hdmi 2 audio through to my McIntosh MX 151 processor. Without it, the MX, and apparently some other av processors, cannot lock onto the audio - it appears the FMP is not stripping the 4k video from the hdmi 2 out, and this confuses processors, or is sending some other invalid or non-continuous video signal.

The Lumagen gives one the option to turn video off on output, so it ignores the incoming video signal, and passes a "blank" 1080i signal, which the processors can handle, and thus lock onto audio.

So even Sony's 5800es 4k receiver must require use of FMP HDMI 2 output I presume - it cannot possibly have hdcp 2.2, unless they cooked in their own workaround to let the FMP and display authenticate in some other way. The difference is a 4k receiver won't choke on the video portion...(edit - my dealer says Sony does do some back door trickery to allow the 5800 to work between the FMP and 4k displays/projectors, though I've not witnessed this myself)

Sony needs to address this, as it's not reasonable to expect non-Sony processors to "deal" with non-standard or invalid incoming video signal...just do what Lumagen does, slap a blank 1080i video signal with the audio on hdmi 2 and be done with it.
Edited by thrang - 1/9/14 at 11:33am
post #7975 of 9699
About this item
Features:
The Newest Standard: Next Generation HDMI 1x2 Splitter for Ultra HD | 4K (4096x2160) Resolution and Full 3D
Enterprise Grade Full Size Product; Durable Full Metal Jacket Construction with Mounting Ears
HDCP Pass Through; Support CEC; ViewHD One Year Warranty
Package Includes: 1x2 Splitter, Universal 100V-240V Power Adapter with US plug, User Manual
Does Not Support Ethernet and ARC (Not Applicable / Useful Features for Splitters).

I will know for sure soon. I was told it will pass no matter what HDCP. Fingers crossed. smile.gif
post #7976 of 9699
I thought maybe this would be of interest especially to Mark H even though it is OT.

Posted by Sony On ther XBR 84X900 support site


System Software Update
Release Date 1/06/2014 Version PKG1.505AAF

File Description UPDATE System Software Update Release Date 1/06/2014 Version PKG1.505AAF File Size 90.54 MB Download Sony has designed the BRAVIA® Televisions software update process to be customer friendly.
This software update (version PKG1.505AAF) provides the following benefits:
Improvements over version PKG1.310AAF:
•Provides HDMI® 2.0 compatibility (Applies to 4K models only)
Supports 4K 60p (3840X2160p (50/59.94/60Hz) YCbCr 4:2:0 8bit, 4096X2160p (50/59.94/60Hz) YCbCr 4:2:0 8bit)

Benefits provided by previous updates and included in version PKG1.505AAF:
•Improved performance and stability of the Internet features
post #7977 of 9699
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

About this item
Features:
The Newest Standard: Next Generation HDMI 1x2 Splitter for Ultra HD | 4K (4096x2160) Resolution and Full 3D
Enterprise Grade Full Size Product; Durable Full Metal Jacket Construction with Mounting Ears
HDCP Pass Through; Support CEC; ViewHD One Year Warranty
Package Includes: 1x2 Splitter, Universal 100V-240V Power Adapter with US plug, User Manual
Does Not Support Ethernet and ARC (Not Applicable / Useful Features for Splitters).

I will know for sure soon. I was told it will pass no matter what HDCP. Fingers crossed. smile.gif

I am 99% sure that it will not pass 4K HDCP 2.2 content. It will do the same as the Quick6, down convert to 480P. The Quick6 also lists passing of 4K, but you also need HDCP 2.2 and that is not going to be in that device.
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post #7978 of 9699
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

About this item
Features:
The Newest Standard: Next Generation HDMI 1x2 Splitter for Ultra HD | 4K (4096x2160) Resolution and Full 3D
Enterprise Grade Full Size Product; Durable Full Metal Jacket Construction with Mounting Ears
HDCP Pass Through; Support CEC; ViewHD One Year Warranty
Package Includes: 1x2 Splitter, Universal 100V-240V Power Adapter with US plug, User Manual
Does Not Support Ethernet and ARC (Not Applicable / Useful Features for Splitters).

I will know for sure soon. I was told it will pass no matter what HDCP. Fingers crossed. smile.gif

The other note:

Per HDMI protocol, only the lower video and audio formats connected to the single HDMI video source will be supported, so that receiving units can have video and audio.
* For example: 1) The HDMI video source will send 720P video out if two display units connected to the splitter outputs are 1080P and 720P; 2) The audio format will be stereo if the TV connected to the splitter output can only do stereo (most TVs can only deliver stereo sound)

Implies it will match the 1080p capabilities of the MX, not the 4k spec of the projector. But we'll see...
post #7979 of 9699
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

Yes, this is the key.

The only work around for me so far is to use a Lumagen mini to feed the hdmi 2 audio through to my McIntosh MX 151 processor. Without it, the MX, and apparently some other av processors, cannot lock onto the audio - it appears the FMP is not stripping the 4k video from the hdmi 2 out, and this confuses processors.

The Lumagen gives one the option to turn video off on output, so it ignores the incoming video signal, and passes a "blank" 1080i signal, which the processors can handle, and thus lock onto audio.

So even Sony's 5800es 4k receiver must require use of FMP HDMI 2 output I presume - it cannot possibly have hdcp 2.2, unless they cooked in their own workaround to let the FMP and display authenticate in some other way. The difference is a 4k receiver won't choke on the video portion...

Sony needs to address this, as it's not reasonable to expect non-4k av processors to "deal" with a greater than 1080p incoming video signal...just do what Lumagen does, slap a blank 1080i video signal with the audio on hdmi 2 and be done with it.

So are you saying the mini when fed whatever is coming out of HDMI 2 on the puck feeds back to the puck to force video which isn't suppose to be on puck HDMI2 anyway, to 480p and the Lumagen passes that and you feed the mixed audio video out at say what 480p?) to the processor which processes the audio.. Sorry. I am just trying to understand what you are doing and how it works. The lumagen won't accept 4K in .
post #7980 of 9699
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AL61OOO/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Working on other ideas with the FMP and will report back as I sift through them.

I would pay good money to watch that actual sifting process. smile.gif

Its actually very hard and subject to mistakes. Been there, done that too many times.
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