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post #8611 of 9631
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Originally Posted by hermosa View Post

Sorry, I may have confused the previous two slider adjustments with RC. Anyway, current manual iris control has one slider as described above.

You did indeed. smile.gif The relevant question is still pending. When you go into the dynamic iris (full, limited0 did any of that change? Is there an iris setting there?
post #8612 of 9631
hermosa,
Sounds great!
Are you close to San Francisco?
I am just east of SF, What is the tech's name?
I hope I get the same tech.
post #8613 of 9631
hermosa,
Did a 1100 owners manual come with the upgrade?
post #8614 of 9631
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

You did indeed. smile.gif The relevant question is still pending. When you go into the dynamic iris (full, limited0 did any of that change? Is there an iris setting there?

Iris menu seems exactly the same. Auto Full, Auto Limited, and Manual.
post #8615 of 9631
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Originally Posted by BOBCAT View Post

hermosa,
Sounds great!
Are you close to San Francisco?
I am just east of SF, What is the tech's name?
I hope I get the same tech.

The tech's name was Alex Prince. He is domiciled in Pasadena, and I live near San Luis Obispo. He drove 4 hours to get here. I did ask him about the Bay Area because I know we have several AVS 1000 owners there. But he said another tech would handle that area and Sacto area.
post #8616 of 9631
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Originally Posted by BOBCAT View Post

hermosa,
Did a 1100 owners manual come with the upgrade?

Nope. But so far the menus all look the same from what I have seen so far. Puck has to connect into HDMI 2 of the projector.
Edited by hermosa - 2/18/14 at 6:28pm
post #8617 of 9631
Ok, thanks.
post #8618 of 9631
hermosa,

How big is the apparent difference between the picture of a high quality bluray and one of the good 4k sample clips? There has been a lot of talk about the dumbing down of 4K to a meaningless upgrade from HD. I'm obviously hoping the difference is pretty noticeable. Would love to get your thoughts. I'm hoping to hear from Mike G. pretty soon to schedule an install, as the upgrade kit that I've had in my possession for quite some time wants to mate with my projector and show off a bit.
post #8619 of 9631
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Originally Posted by Ben Withrow View Post

hermosa,

How big is the apparent difference between the picture of a high quality bluray and one of the good 4k sample clips? There has been a lot of talk about the dumbing down of 4K to a meaningless upgrade from HD. I'm obviously hoping the difference is pretty noticeable. Would love to get your thoughts. I'm hoping to hear from Mike G. pretty soon to schedule an install, as the upgrade kit that I've had in my possession for quite some time wants to mate with my projector and show off a bit.

Well, it is a very subjective judgment of course - but I will try.

I think most upscaled Blu Ray 1080p discs look great on the projector.

I am now watching my favorite movie, Lawrence of Arabia, converted to 4K from fiilmstock -and it is fabulous. Some grainy scenes but mostly an excellent 4K conversion.

The 4K video clips from Sony are exquisite. Shot in 4K, mastered in 4K. Eventually all movies will look like this -and it is the best quality picture I have ever seen. Sony used one clip called " Feel the Beauty" to demo both the projector and 84" TV at CES and other places. It is astonishing and sold me on the technology completely when I saw it.

As I said earlier, I am very happy with Sony and their technology. They kept their word at supporting us early adopters. Thanks.
Edited by hermosa - 2/19/14 at 7:41am
post #8620 of 9631
I asked Lumagen to take a look at the stutter issue with 4K into the Sony...

And now we have:

Production 020314- Fix for an occasional frame stutter for 4K video output (so only applies if using 4K output of 2041/2042)

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post #8621 of 9631
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Originally Posted by hermosa View Post

I have a second server from my 84XBR TV, so I can swap server cables to watch the ten free movies that came with that server. Sony did call me at the end of January to ask if I downloaded all the free movies as the deal was expiring.

Have you actually tried that?

It was my understanding that one server would only work with one projector or panel it was "tied/connected to"?

If you can indeed swap media servers with different output devices that would be fantastic since I have already downloaded all the free movies/clips to my server currently attached to a 65" Sony 4K panel.

It would be awesome if I could connect the same server to the projector once it is upgraded to view all the movies I have already downloaded on the big screen as they are really not that impressive on my postage stamp 65" 4K panel!
post #8622 of 9631
I have used two servers on one panel. When both servers are on and tied to the same network, the App asks which one you want to use.
post #8623 of 9631
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Originally Posted by Mark_H View Post

I asked Lumagen to take a look at the stutter issue with 4K into the Sony...

And now we have:

Production 020314- Fix for an occasional frame stutter for 4K video output (so only applies if using 4K output of 2041/2042)

biggrin.gif

So it never was a Sony issue...

I have the 2041, but haven't used the the 4k upscaling for some time as it is not useable for 1080/60 broadcast...
post #8624 of 9631
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Originally Posted by discodol View Post

Have you actually tried that?

It was my understanding that one server would only work with one projector or panel it was "tied/connected to"?

If you can indeed swap media servers with different output devices that would be fantastic since I have already downloaded all the free movies/clips to my server currently attached to a 65" Sony 4K panel.

It would be awesome if I could connect the same server to the projector once it is upgraded to view all the movies I have already downloaded on the big screen as they are really not that impressive on my postage stamp 65" 4K panel!

The server (puck) is matched to each tablet, from what I know, but it doesn't care which viewing device you use. I switched the TV server to the projector to watch a movie last night. Worked fine. Both TV and Projector are Sony 4K of course.
post #8625 of 9631
One tablet can definitely work multiple servers. Done that.
post #8626 of 9631
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Originally Posted by hermosa View Post

The server (puck) is matched to each tablet, from what I know, but it doesn't care which viewing device you use. I switched the TV server to the projector to watch a movie last night. Worked fine. Both TV and Projector are Sony 4K of course.

Awesome!

In my case since I got the puck running to the panel without a tablet but just by using the remote control for the TV it will be interesting to see if it will work as it does for you once I get my upgrade and tablet.

I do remember in the setup I had the choice of using a remote or tablet so it may just take going back into setup and changing things to run with the tablet instead of the panel remote.

It would be great not to need a puck for each display!!!
post #8627 of 9631
You don't need the tablet except for the 84 incher and the projector. There are separate directions for the 84 incher, the projectors, and the other Sony 4K panels. You do not use the tablet to control or set up the 4K panels except for the 84 incher.
Edited by mark haflich - 2/25/14 at 10:22pm
post #8628 of 9631
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

One tablet can definitely work multiple servers. Done that.

Mark

Is that in the tablet setup menu to work multiple servers?
post #8629 of 9631
Pretty much. I don't remember the exact details but after the set up using one tablet if the app detects both servers are on, it asks you which one you want to use. I used one tablet for two servers which each server hard wired to its own panel. You might need to shut off the first server you set up and turn on the second. Then the app will detect the second server add it and go on from there.
post #8630 of 9631
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

So it never was a Sony issue...

I have the 2041, but haven't used the the 4k upscaling for some time as it is not useable for 1080/60 broadcast...

Will be testing over the next few days. Certainly if I took my 2042 out of the loop, or let it run 1080p, I didn't see the problem, which I took to mean that either the 4K pipeline in the Lumagen was involved or that it was something in the Sony's 4K mode, or both. That Lumagen also saw the issue and were able to make some changes to remedy it hopefully means the Sony wasn't involved... We shall see...

Once again, kudos to Lumagen for their attention here.
post #8631 of 9631

it is surely high-end products, whether it possibly face same green or yellow tint issue,as the Sony SXRD TV had. in 2005, 2006,or 2007, Sony SXRD TV is very popular, up to now, many users just were in trouble, since for the green or yellow screen, have to fix it by new SXRD panel. it is easy to find 0.61'' panel, but no found replacement yet for Sony 4K TV.

post #8632 of 9631
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

You don't need the tablet except for the 84 incher and the projector. There are separate directions for the 84 incher, the projectors, and the other Sony 4K panels. You do not use the tablet to control or set up the 4K panelsept for the 84 incher.

Since I already have a puck associated with a 4K 65" panel do you think I will have any trouble using the same puck with my pj once the upgrade is done and I have a tablet?
post #8633 of 9631
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Originally Posted by Mark_H View Post

Will be testing over the next few days. Certainly if I took my 2042 out of the loop, or let it run 1080p, I didn't see the problem, which I took to mean that either the 4K pipeline in the Lumagen was involved or that it was something in the Sony's 4K mode, or both. That Lumagen also saw the issue and were able to make some changes to remedy it hopefully means the Sony wasn't involved... We shall see...

Once again, kudos to Lumagen for their attention here.

Way to go, Lumagen. Now make the native 4k box!! smile.gif
post #8634 of 9631
No matter what Lumagen does re the existing processor, it can't do 4K 60 out. And if your source is 60p at a lesser resolution, say 720p, every other frame will be dropped.
post #8635 of 9631
I was assuming a future Lumagen, not an update to the existing. Yeah, it needs full next gen support.
post #8636 of 9631
I don't know how quickly HDMI 2.0 chips will be available in bulk for the bottom feeders like Lumagen (described quantitatively not qualitatively!), but it would be nice to see something in the fall...

I kind of wouldn't mind seeing a 4k Mini-3D type device first, which should be a lot more affordable and a good add-on device than a revised four port 20xx - two 4k inputs on a mini would likely be more than enough for a while...
post #8637 of 9631
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Originally Posted by hermosa View Post

So today is my upgrade appointment day. I am still waiting for my dealer to re-mount my projector and configure the server.

We ran several sources thru the projector to make sure all was well.

This post about running the projector unmounted reminded me about something a calibrator told me in 2007. I wanted to ask here to see if anyone ever heard about what the calibrator told me.

I had a Vidikron Vision 80 (OEM JVC HD2K) at the time, and had run the projecter non-inverted (on the feet) for about an hour after my room was built, but before I had hung the projector. The projector was calibrated inverted (on a ceiling mount), and the calibrator asked me if I had run it with the projector non-inverted, as he noticed something (I do not recall the specifics) with the image. I was shocked that he could tell, and I admitted that I had indeed run the projector non-inverted. He proceeded to tell me that I should always run the same way (inverted or non-inverted) it would be mounted.

I don't know if that was something particular to those early JVC's, to the lamps at the time, or if he had a gift to see things in the image. So, I was just curious if anyone had ever heard about this before. I know you guys are a picky bunch, so thought this is the best place to ask!

Thanks.

Mark
post #8638 of 9631
Yeah I personally would prefer they wait until they are able to get full HDMI 2.0 / 18gbps / whatever is required before coming out with anything new. But I am ready to buy when they do. The current 4k out unit serves any other needs, I think.

On a related topic of scaling, over on the doom9 forums Madshi is really pushing the envelope with what madVR is able to do on the HTPC. Really cool stuff with luma, chroma, and overall upscaling capability and image quality.
post #8639 of 9631
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Originally Posted by aligborat View Post

Back to the projector.... ;-)

Does anyone happen to know the CFM of the projector exhaust in its various stages? It does not seem to be in the manual, unfortunately.

I'm putting the projector into an enclosure, then exhausting the enclosure. At least in theory, if my intake / exhaust CFM for the enclosure itself exceeds the projector's own intake / exhaust rate, then the projector doesn't have to recycle hot air back into itself.

I am not having any luck with this. frown.gif
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post #8640 of 9631
So they really did stiff us on the free movies because they couldn't get the upgrades done in time. What happened to the speculation that there would be something comparable to replace that offer?

I don't really care that the puck may be a stop-gap, quality isn't good, etc, the point was we know there were users that got bumped up for various reasons on the install, paid the same amount as those of us that pre-ordered but didn't get installed in time, and get short-changed. And as previously discusssed, it was NOT just people that post here and not just people that might be considered beta testers.

Just not a smart thing for Sony to do.
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