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post #8671 of 9659
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Originally Posted by Ben Withrow View Post

For me, the best thing about the upgrade so far has been the size of the main shipping box. It was the perfect size and sturdy enough for some kitchen items that we took to Goodwill.

 

Sounds like an expensive box...

post #8672 of 9659
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Originally Posted by Ben Withrow View Post

For me, the best thing about the upgrade so far has been the size of the main shipping box. It was the perfect size and sturdy enough for some kitchen items that we took to Goodwill.

I presume that all the projector settings are lost after the !000 => 1100 upgrade, right? So one should write down all the settings one has in the 1000 before the upgrade, right? (Of course some may need to be changed because of differences between the 'before' and 'after' FW.)
post #8673 of 9659
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

I presume that all the projector settings are lost after the !000 => 1100 upgrade, right? So one should write down all the settings one has in the 1000 before the upgrade, right? (Of course some may need to be changed because of differences between the 'before' and 'after' FW.)

All my settings stayed after upgrade except the saved picture sizing items. But those are very easy to re-adjust and re-save.

I think saving the settings must be part of the file transfer, combine, and reload.
post #8674 of 9659
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Originally Posted by hermosa View Post

All my settings stayed after upgrade except the saved picture sizing items. But those are very easy to re-adjust and re-save.

I think saving the settings must be part of the file transfer, combine, and reload.

OK, thx much for the info.
post #8675 of 9659
Just to be clear, I joke more than I subscribe to pessimism. I'm very excited to get my upgrade installed, especially since I've had the kit for a pretty long time. I'll be happy to see 4k clips and see the 4k movies. I don't think I'm as hard to please as some of the fine folks of this forum. Has anyone in the mid-Atlantic, east coast, or south had an upgrade or have one scheduled?
Edited by Ben Withrow - 2/22/14 at 9:04pm
post #8676 of 9659
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

since early November, but I have a number of other projectors here that I use for casual viewing. I know I'll be racking up the hours playing around with the 4K player. Also I've been using it for 3D lately. I'm not a fan of the Sony glasses but I recently switched to the latest Optoma RF glasses and they work great + more comfortable.


I'm hoping the RF Sony glasses will work after the motherboard update, but I don't think anyone has confirmed this yet.

Zombie10K,

Can you send me a link or where you bought your 3D Optoma RF glasses... And model # and the cost? My wife does not like the Sony glasses, says that they are uncomfortable. I am looking for a solution and have been unsuccessful so far.

Thanks,
post #8677 of 9659
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Originally Posted by trek737 View Post

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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

since early November, but I have a number of other projectors here that I use for casual viewing. I know I'll be racking up the hours playing around with the 4K player. Also I've been using it for 3D lately. I'm not a fan of the Sony glasses but I recently switched to the latest Optoma RF glasses and they work great + more comfortable.


I'm hoping the RF Sony glasses will work after the motherboard update, but I don't think anyone has confirmed this yet.

Zombie10K,

Can you send me a link or where you bought your 3D Optoma RF glasses... And model # and the cost? My wife does not like the Sony glasses, says that they are uncomfortable. I am looking for a solution and have been unsuccessful so far.

Thanks,

You can get the Optomas readily on eBay or Amazon. You have to buy the rf kit. Do a search, it's been covered in many posts across the forum as well as here.

I was able to test the Sony RFs from my 4K panel with the VW1100 back in Dec which I confirmed will not sync with the MV3D/Optoma RF transmitter. The upgrade/1100 doesn't not have any addition of RF 3D capability unfort.
post #8678 of 9659
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Originally Posted by OzHDHT View Post

You can get the Optomas readily on eBay or Amazon. You have to buy the rf kit. Do a search, it's been covered in many posts across the forum as well as here.

I was able to test the Sony RFs from my 4K panel with the VW1100 back in Dec which I confirmed will not sync with the MV3D/Optoma RF transmitter. The upgrade/1100 doesn't not have any addition of RF 3D capability unfort.

Thanks...
post #8679 of 9659
After doing some minor research and talking to Sony I have found the audio on their 4K video files to be 5.1 surround at 48khz PCM.
This sounds better to me than regular Dolby or DTS and is bitstreamed as lossless.
I feed the sound from the FMP-X1 to my Anthem D2v and it displays receiving the sound stream as PCM 48KHZ which is the same thing displayed
when I play a BD on my Oppo and send it as bitstream to the Anthem.
Edited by thestewman - 2/24/14 at 7:20pm
post #8680 of 9659
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Originally Posted by thestewman View Post

After doing some minor research and talking to Sony I have found the audio on their 4K video files to be 5.1 surround at 48khz PCM.
This is better than regular Dolby or DTS and is bitstreamed as lossless.
I feed the sound from the FMP-X1 to my Anthem D2v and it displays receiving the sound stream as PCM 48KHZ which is the same thing displayed
when I play a BD on my Oppo and send it as bitstream to the Anthem.

It isn't by default better just because it's PCM. If anything Sony is probably using PCM audio to avoid paying Dolby or DTS usage rights. We would need to know the bitrate and/or the source of the PCM audio. After all, Sony could have simply taken the core audio (vanilla DTS or AC3) from the Blu-rays, decoded it to PCM and then muxed it in with the 4K file container. For you to say it's "better" would necessitate knowing where the audio came from. We would know if it weren't vanilla DTS or AC3 if any of the audio streams were more than 7 channels.
post #8681 of 9659
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Originally Posted by Seegs108 View Post

It isn't by default better just because it's PCM. If anything Sony is probably using PCM audio to avoid paying Dolby or DTS usage rights. We would need to know the bitrate and/or the source of the PCM audio. After all, Sony could have simply taken the core audio (vanilla DTS or AC3) from the Blu-rays, decoded it to PCM and then muxed it in with the 4K file container. For you to say it's "better" would necessitate knowing where the audio came from. We would know if it weren't vanilla DTS or AC3 if any of the audio streams were more than 7 channels.

I agree that Sony is probably not required to pay Dolby or DTS any fees for the rights to use their codecs. But since Sony is not creating a BD disc they are not bound by the BD consortium to use any of the BD codecs required.
48KHZ PCM is an uncompressed format. This could sound better then lossless DTS or Dolby which are compressed and similar to a ZIP file where nothing is lost.
The bitrate has no bearing on the lossless format being used. The source would influence the sound. I know for a fact the Lawrence of Arabia sound file which I have run through Media Info is not lossless 48khz PCM and for that film file is a lossy format. What sound format or codec would you expect from a 1962 film ?
post #8682 of 9659
But remember, just because it's PCM doesn't make it lossless to the master audio, it's just lossless from the source, which could very well be vanilla DTS or AC3 both of which are 48kHz. Because these files are streamed/downloaded I wouldn't be surprised if Sony wanted to save money to make the files smaller and used the smaller DTS core or AC3 and converted them to PCM. Without confirmation from Sony, this is all speculation. smile.gif
Edited by Seegs108 - 2/24/14 at 9:21pm
post #8683 of 9659
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

since early November, but I have a number of other projectors here that I use for casual viewing. I know I'll be racking up the hours playing around with the 4K player. Also I've been using it for 3D lately. I'm not a fan of the Sony glasses but I recently switched to the latest Optoma RF glasses and they work great + more comfortable.

I'm hoping the RF Sony glasses will work after the motherboard update, but I don't think anyone has confirmed this yet.

I didn't think the 1100 was supporting RF. I have the same glasses and agree they seem to perform better than the Sony IR and are more comfortable imo.
post #8684 of 9659
I was hoping the Sony marketing page was correct, I think this is the source where they listed the BT500A as being compatible with the 1100.

http://www.sony.co.uk/pro/product/projectors-homecinema/tdg-bt500a/accessories#accessories

I would think they could make an external RF transmitter.
post #8685 of 9659
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Originally Posted by Ben Withrow View Post

Just to be clear, I joke more than I subscribe to pessimism. I'm very excited to get my upgrade installed, especially since I've had the kit for a pretty long time. I'll be happy to see 4k clips and see the 4k movies. I don't think I'm as hard to please as some of the fine folks of this forum. Has anyone in the mid-Atlantic, east coast, or south had an upgrade or have one scheduled?

Two scheduled for this Thursday and one was scheduled for last week. I need to check and see if that one was completed.
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post #8686 of 9659
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

I didn't think the 1100 was supporting RF. I have the same glasses and agree they seem to perform better than the Sony IR and are more comfortable imo.
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Originally Posted by trek737 View Post

Thanks...

Quoting myself from a few days ago. The Sony RF's don't work. Not even if you try to dupe the MV3D/Optoma RF transmitter to sync with them unfort. I too had been hoping to see them work, as they'd be much better back ups to the Sony IR's. Meanwhile having 5 pairs of the current Optoma RF's on hand is a pretty decent alternative.

Originally Posted by OzHDHT View Post

You can get the Optomas readily on eBay or Amazon. You have to buy the rf kit. Do a search, it's been covered in many posts across the forum as well as here.

I was able to test the Sony RFs from my 4K panel with the VW1100 back in Dec which I confirmed will not sync with the MV3D/Optoma RF transmitter. The upgrade/1100 doesn't not have any addition of RF 3D capability unfort.
post #8687 of 9659
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

Best bet, may be to look at the fans, when the projector gets the upgrade. smile.gif

It doesn't even get opened up to see what's inside the case. The mother board is mounted on the outside (bottom) of the chassis on stand offs and that's all that is replaced. When you remove the mother board you see the metal bottom of the projector chassis. The black case surrounding everything is not touched or removed.
post #8688 of 9659
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Originally Posted by discodol View Post

Since I already have a puck associated with a 4K 65" panel do you think I will have any trouble using the same puck with my pj once the upgrade is done and I have a tablet?



You should be fine.
post #8689 of 9659
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Originally Posted by OzHDHT View Post

I was able to test the Sony RFs from my 4K panel with the VW1100 back in Dec which I confirmed will not sync with the MV3D/Optoma RF transmitter. The upgrade/1100 doesn't not have any addition of RF 3D capability unfort.[/B]

OK, now I'm confused. The Sony glasses that came with the 1100 work fine. So are you saying that if I get the Optoma + RF transmitter, then the Sony glasses will not work anymore(i.e. the two types of glasses cannot be used simultaneously?)
post #8690 of 9659
The Sony glasses are IR. if you get RF glasses you somehow need n RF sender that can somehow be linked to the IR sender built into the Sony. In the past, this has been possible by using the Optoma sender with the IR receiver cable that comes with the Optoma sender kit. Posters here are reporting they can't get the Optoma sender to link with various RF glasses.
post #8691 of 9659
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Originally Posted by sner View Post

OK, now I'm confused. The Sony glasses that came with the 1100 work fine. So are you saying that if I get the Optoma + RF transmitter, then the Sony glasses will not work anymore(i.e. the two types of glasses cannot be used simultaneously?)


the Optoma/ Monster´s RF transmitter do Work with their own glasses ( the transmitter is using the IR from the projector and convert it to RF ) and yes, the Sony IR glasses ( PJ1) with Work at the same time. ( the IR is still being send out )

What dosnt Work is the Optoma/ MV transmitter with the new Sony RF glasses (TDG- BT500A ) - they need another transmitter ( confirming to full HD 3D !? ) acording to Sony, called TMR-RF1 ( and for now is only ? available in Germany ( have seen some annoncement there for it :
http://www.heimkino-aktuell-shop.de/TMR-RF1+3D+Funksender+fuer+Sony+VPL-HW55ES.htm
and : http://www.beamer-discount.de/sonstiges/sony/tmr-rf1-fuer-sony-hw55-p-43876.html

But when that transmitter it used ( if it exist biggrin.gif ), it will turn the IR out off, ( meaning, that the TDG-PJ1 will not Work at same time anymore ) when it get connected to the extern IR/RF transmitter input. ( - and same goes for the extern IR transmitter TMR-PJ2 , if somebody will use that )


BTW.

it appears that the Sony TMR-RF1 is actually an XPAND AD025-RF-X1 - so maybe someone could confirm, if somebody has that ?


dj
post #8692 of 9659
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Originally Posted by sner View Post

OK, now I'm confused. The Sony glasses that came with the 1100 work fine. So are you saying that if I get the Optoma + RF transmitter, then the Sony glasses will not work anymore(i.e. the two types of glasses cannot be used simultaneously?)
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

The Sony glasses are IR. if you get RF glasses you somehow need n RF sender that can somehow be linked to the IR sender built into the Sony. In the past, this has been possible by using the Optoma sender with the IR receiver cable that comes with the Optoma sender kit. Posters here are reporting they can't get the Optoma sender to link with various RF glasses.

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Originally Posted by d.j. View Post

the Optoma/ Monster´s RF transmitter do Work with their own glasses ( the transmitter is using the IR from the projector and convert it to RF ) and yes, the Sony IR glasses ( PJ1) with Work at the same time. ( the IR is still being send out )

What dosnt Work is the Optoma/ MV transmitter with the new Sony RF glasses (TDG- BT500A ) - they need another transmitter ( confirming to full HD 3D !? ) acording to Sony, called TMR-RF1 ( and for now is only ? available in Germany ( have seen some annoncement there for it :
http://www.heimkino-aktuell-shop.de/TMR-RF1+3D+Funksender+fuer+Sony+VPL-HW55ES.htm
and : http://www.beamer-discount.de/sonstiges/sony/tmr-rf1-fuer-sony-hw55-p-43876.html

But when that transmitter it used ( if it exist biggrin.gif ), it will turn the IR out off, ( meaning, that the TDG-PJ1 will not Work at same time anymore ) when it get connected to the extern IR/RF transmitter input. ( - and same goes for the extern IR transmitter TMR-PJ2 , if somebody will use that )


BTW.

it appears that the Sony TMR-RF1 is actually an XPAND AD025-RF-X1 - so maybe someone could confirm, if somebody has that ?


dj

+1 what they've already said.

D.J., very interesting new adapter that Sony RF one, apart from the fact you mention they shut down the IR output which would then put the MV3D IR/RF converter out of action. I was quite keen till read that bit.
Edited by OzHDHT - 2/26/14 at 5:19pm
post #8693 of 9659
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Originally Posted by d.j. View Post


BTW.

it appears that the Sony TMR-RF1 is actually an XPAND AD025-RF-X1 - so maybe someone could confirm, if somebody has that ?


dj

dj, that xpand transmitter has the typical 3 pin VESA connector. After some looking around, this info + photo makes sense:

http://www.winnings.de/Projektoren-u-Beamer/Sony/Sony-3D-Brillen-u-Zubeh-r/Sony-TMR-RF1-Funk-Emitter-mit-2-Brillen-f-r-Sony-HW50.html

sony-rf1.jpg


It looks like they are selling it with an RJ-45 -> 3 pin VESA adapter. I would buy one and make the adapter but I don't see these as being available in the US, even under the Xpand brand.


VW1100-access.jpg
post #8694 of 9659
This could actually be slightly more interesting based on a quick look at this RF transmitter as sold by Xpand. It seems that it is quite broadly compatible with diff RF glasses. Perhaps this could open the gateway to run both Sony and Optoma 3D RF glasses from the one transmitter. This is straight from Xpand's website:

XPAND Radio Frequency (RF) Emitter

XPAND 3D Radio Frequency (RF) Emitter generates the Radio Frequency signal (for example Bluetooth®) that synchronizes the active 3D glasses with the digital display device (projector for example).
Compatible Glasses

YOUniversal Electronic 3D Eyewear with RF Dongle
XPAND 3D Glasses Lite – the RF version
any FHD3D RF compatible glasses

Technical Specifications

Type of Synchronization: Radio Frequency (RF)
3D Synchronization Protocol In: VESA Stereo
3D Synchronization Protocol Out: FHD3D RF protocol
Shuttering Frequency: 96 Hz, 100 Hz, 120 Hz, 144 Hz, 192 Hz and 240 Hz
High Frequency Rate: Yes
Connector Type: Mini-DIN 3 (VESA Stereo)
Setup: Plug&Play;
Coverage Range: 25 m typical, 10 m minimum (distance from the emitter)
Power: VESA powered, no external power supply needed
Weight: 76,5 g
post #8695 of 9659
Just read Sony is closing 20 out of its 31 remaining Sony stores leaving its brick and mortar retail operations at 11 stores. Laying off something like 1000 employees in connection with the store closings and will lay off another 9000 employees world wide by year's end.. Same old babble about how the bleeding TV manufacturing and sales division will survive and flourish focusing on high end sales and the best technology. Read. As quick as Sony can sell its TV ops to Samsung. I predict the sale will be announced at 2016 CES..i
post #8696 of 9659
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Just read Sony is closing 20 out of its 31 remaining Sony stores leaving its brick and mortar retail operations at 11 stores. Laying off something like 1000 employees in connection with the store closings and will lay off another 9000 employees world wide by year's end.. Same old babble about how the bleeding TV manufacturing and sales division will survive and flourish focusing on high end sales and the best technology. Read. As quick as Sony can sell its TV ops to Samsung. I predict the sale will be announced at 2016 CES..i

If Sony is really bleeding this bad, why would Samscum have to buy anything? They already have tremendous name recognition, deep manufacturing, high quality sets, and broad worldwide distribution channels. On the surface, I don't see many unique assets that Sony possess that Sammy needs.

Now, Apple might have some interest as they don't manufacture displays, which are essential to their business, and don't sell a single TV, which may be essential to their future plans to push more heavily into the living room.
post #8697 of 9659
We have been slowly becoming bigger fans of the Optoma 3D glasses. We have a good combination of the Monster and Optomas now. Of course the Optomas are definitely more reliable. The Monsters I have to charge a day before a showing whereas the Optomas I can just leave plugged in.
post #8698 of 9659
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

If Sony is really bleeding this bad, why would Samscum have to buy anything? They already have tremendous name recognition, deep manufacturing, high quality sets, and broad worldwide distribution channels. On the surface, I don't see many unique assets that Sony possess that Sammy needs.

Now, Apple might have some interest as they don't manufacture displays, which are essential to their business, and don't sell a single TV, which may be essential to their future plans to push more heavily into the living room.

Good points. Panasonic might be interested as well. I figure some past partner of Sony and Samsung and Panasonic come to mind. I won't be bidding myself even if I had the money. I want to buy a chain of hoar houses. Something that doesn't involve R&D expenses, warrantees, manufacturing or middle men. smile.gif
post #8699 of 9659
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Good points. Panasonic might be interested as well. I figure some past partner of Sony and Samsung and Panasonic come to mind. I won't be bidding myself even if I had the money. I want to buy a chain of hoar houses. Something that doesn't involve R&D expenses, warrantees, manufacturing or middle men. smile.gif

If I'm betting, I'm betting Apple or Google or some other SV tech company that wants to own more of home/streaming/digital hub market might have some interest. I think Apple could bring the brightest shine to the Sony lineage, but objectively, it is a long shot that even they would be interested. They have enough cash that they can be more particular than buying a diseased company, unless its carved up in a more enticing way. They also don't need the Sony brand per say. The key I suppose is manufacturing prowess and IP.
post #8700 of 9659
This all doesn't sound very positive re Sony's continuing development of home theater projectors.
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