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post #2371 of 2403
It was a unique circumstance considering:

1) the movie in question (this wasn't The Abyss or Conan the Destroyer, and it's worth noting that there were several non-anamorphic titles that got anamorphic reissues right around that time: Brazil, The Doors and Dune come to mind)

and

2) when it was released (we had HD-on-disc formats by September of '06)

The big problem I had with that release was how Lucas was apparently so bothered by the older version being out there, and so actively against it being out there on anything approaching a modern home video presentation, that he refused to spend a single penny remastering it because, well, it just bothered him to have to put it out there at all. Okay, fine, use '93 telecines if you want. But don't then slap a huge pricetag and put it on the shelf under the pretension that it's a quality product.

It's very telling that between the time that release was announced in May of '06 (original versions of Star Wars on dvd, yayyyyy! A week later: oh, it's gonna be the laserdisc masters .....) and the time it actually streeted in September, the tone of the marketing had shifted to "the three movies are available on dvd individually for the first time ever." Yeah, as if that was the reason people were running out to buy 'em at $20 a pop.
post #2372 of 2403
I don't think anyone's disputing that it was a terrible, unsatisfactory release.
post #2373 of 2403
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Again, not at all a unique circumstance.

Well, I think it's a the very definition of a unique circumstance considering it hadn't happened before or since.

Yes, some titles were released early on in DVD's lifespan sourced from laserdisc masters (the bigger titles long since having been remastered and re-released.) The Star Wars OT, one the most important and highest grossing series in the history of film, was released as DVD bonus material in the beginning of BD's lifespan (the HD era) sourced from a terrible old laserdisc master right alongside (as in, in the same box) "updated" versions of the very same films that had since been transferred from an entirely new HD master. That is a unique circumstance, and saying "they have been released on DVD" is misleading as unless you're aware of all the unusual, inside-baseball circumstances that went along with it you'd assume that something "released" on DVD in 2006 would be the polar opposite of what's actually out there, which is effectively not appreciably better than watching the laserdisc.
Edited by Stinky-Dinkins - 11/9/12 at 5:14pm
post #2374 of 2403
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Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins View Post

They weren't released on DVD.

Thanks guy, you proved my point for me. Keep those blinkers on.
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Originally Posted by Fang Zei View Post

It was a unique circumstance

Is was a Lucas haters 'unique' circumstance, that is all.
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Originally Posted by spectator View Post

I don't think anyone's disputing that it was a terrible, unsatisfactory release.

No more worse then the usual awful dvd pq, it just would not scale on ancient wide screen TVs, oh the humanity! So of course for the haters (not you) that invalidates it's existence.

I am done venting now, since some came to my defense... without knowing it.
Edited by wuther - 11/9/12 at 5:36pm
post #2375 of 2403
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Thanks guy
Hey no problem buddy!
post #2376 of 2403
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Originally Posted by wuther View Post

No more worse then the usual awful dvd pq

Much more, actually. The average major release would've looked much better (much more recent HD-sourced 16:9 transfer), to say nothing of the average movies of the Star Wars trilogy's catalog selling-power. And, also, to say nothing of a product of the house of THX.
post #2377 of 2403
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Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins View Post

The Star Wars OT, one the most important and highest grossing series in the history of film, was released as DVD bonus material in the beginning of BD's lifespan (the HD era) sourced from a terrible old laserdisc master right alongside (as in, in the same box) "updated" versions of the very same films that had since been transferred from an entirely new HD master.

It's almost funny to think that the updated '04 dvd's included in the '06 set were made from higher-than-dvd-resolution masters while the unaltered transfers were made from lower-than-dvd-resolution masters.
post #2378 of 2403
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Originally Posted by wuther View Post

No more worse then the usual awful dvd pq, it just would not scale on ancient wide screen TVs, oh the humanity! So of course for the haters (not you) that invalidates it's existence.
I am done venting now, since some came to my defense... without knowing it.

The theatrical versions released on DVD had 272 lines of vertical resolution due to it being non-anamorphic. It's ridiculous that anyone would try and defend those dvds, especially on this site. A release of that quality should be unanimously criticized even if was for Battlefield Earth.
post #2379 of 2403
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Originally Posted by Phantom Stranger View Post

. There are heavy rumors that Lucas was personally upset by the general fan backlash on the Internet and in real life to his handling of the franchise over the past decade, and that selling it was Lucas washing his hands of control.
I'll start a "heavy rumor": it was the 4 billion!!!
post #2380 of 2403
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Originally Posted by Fang Zei View Post

It was a unique circumstance considering:
1) the movie in question (this wasn't The Abyss or Conan the Destroyer, and it's worth noting that there were several non-anamorphic titles that got anamorphic reissues right around that time: Brazil, The Doors and Dune come to mind)
and
2) when it was released (we had HD-on-disc formats by September of '06)
The big problem I had with that release was how Lucas was apparently so bothered by the older version being out there, and so actively against it being out there on anything approaching a modern home video presentation, that he refused to spend a single penny remastering it because, well, it just bothered him to have to put it out there at all. Okay, fine, use '93 telecines if you want. But don't then slap a huge pricetag and put it on the shelf under the pretension that it's a quality product.
It's very telling that between the time that release was announced in May of '06 (original versions of Star Wars on dvd, yayyyyy! A week later: oh, it's gonna be the laserdisc masters .....) and the time it actually streeted in September, the tone of the marketing had shifted to "the three movies are available on dvd individually for the first time ever." Yeah, as if that was the reason people were running out to buy 'em at $20 a pop.
+1
Jorge started "TotallyHypedeXperience (TM)".
Where VHS tapes were "certified" too give the 'high-fidelity audio/visual reproduction standard for movie theaters'!
DVD's that were "pan&scan" were all so "THX" certified.
And you want this guy too be ethical bout anything?!?!
post #2381 of 2403
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+1
Jorge started "TotallyHypedeXperience (TM)".
Where VHS tapes were "certified" too give the 'high-fidelity audio/visual reproduction standard for movie theaters'!
DVD's that were "pan&scan" were all so "THX" certified.

Being THX certified had nothing to do with P&S or OAR.
I agree it is/was more a marketing gimmick though, since not many people had a THX certified setup either.
post #2382 of 2403
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

Being THX certified had nothing to do with P&S or OAR.

I think his point was that it should have.
post #2383 of 2403
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I'll start a "heavy rumor": it was the 4 billion!!!

Really, don't be that guy. It was $4.05 billion! biggrin.gif
post #2384 of 2403
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Really, don't be that guy. It was $4.05 billion! biggrin.gif
ACTUALLY it was a 4 billion NET....the .05 went to me as a finder's fee.
Yeah, I know....some people have all the luck.biggrin.gif
post #2385 of 2403
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Originally Posted by trk2 View Post

The theatrical versions released on DVD had 272 lines of vertical resolution due to it being non-anamorphic. It's ridiculous that anyone would try and defend those dvds, especially on this site. A release of that quality should be unanimously criticized even if was for Battlefield Earth.


I still want the original cut of Battlefield Earth. Ya hear me Blue Underground and Warner Bros.?! I WANT IT!
post #2386 of 2403
I didn't want to read every post since Disney bought Lucas, so I apologize for my lazy, instant gratification, ADD tendencies if this has been covered to death. How long do you guys speculate (and if, I guess, but I assume there will be) before there is a BR box set worthy of the SW saga? My 8 year old loves SW, but I don't want to invest the money in the box set everyone says is really inferior. Please don't tell me you think he'll be in high school when it's released rolleyes.gif Maybe to coincide with the theatrical release of SW 7?
post #2387 of 2403
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Please don't tell me you think he'll be in high school when it's released rolleyes.gif Maybe to coincide with the theatrical release of SW 7?

College.

Actually, and I'm not saying this to irritate any of the purists yet I think (JMHO folks) the current Bluray set is OK. No, it's not perfect and has some issues but it looks pretty good overall on a typical display. In my HT with a 126 inch screen it's flaws are evident. On my 50 and 60 inch Plasmas it looks good.

Just purchase a used set off Amazon or eBay.
post #2388 of 2403
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Originally Posted by KJSmitty View Post

College.

Actually, and I'm not saying this to irritate any of the purists yet I think (JMHO folks) the current Bluray set is OK. No, it's not perfect and has some issues but it looks pretty good overall on a typical display. In my HT with a 126 inch screen it's flaws are evident. On my 50 and 60 inch Plasmas it looks good.

Just purchase a used set off Amazon or eBay.
Thanks...I've watched most of the current BR episodes on our 50" Panny plasma (GT30) and didn't really have a lot of problems with it, but I didn't want to spend money on purchasing it if they might re-release it within a couple years.
post #2389 of 2403
Yeah, all of the original films need new full 4 or 8K masterings. That is, a complete overhall. The blu-rays are just OK.
post #2390 of 2403
The skies the limit with the unaltered OT for any high res 4K or 8K scans, but for the special editions,the CGI would have to be redone which would be very expensive and time consuming which is why they are stuck at currently under 2K.
post #2391 of 2403
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Originally Posted by Blu-21 View Post

The skies the limit with the unaltered OT for any high res 4K or 8K scans, but for the special editions,the CGI would have to be redone which would be very expensive and time consuming which is why they are stuck at currently under 2K.
The CGI would only need to be redone if someone wants to. From what I've read, the cut negative of the film is conformed to the SE (the 1998 revision, anyway... or was it 97?), so they'd just have to scan that negative, though you'd lose a lot of the 2004 digital compositing improvements in the process. Restoring the OT would be trickier...
post #2392 of 2403
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Originally Posted by 42041 View Post

The CGI would only need to be redone if someone wants to. From what I've read, the cut negative of the film is conformed to the SE (the 1998 revision, anyway... or was it 97?), so they'd just have to scan that negative, though you'd lose a lot of the 2004 digital compositing improvements in the process. Restoring the OT would be trickier...
It was 1997, but anyway that 1997 negative which obviously doesn't have the later added 2004 edits is now obsolete because its long been replaced by the actual 2004 edits themselves, so they wouldn't suffice in a future release. So they would really have no choice because taking the easy way out with uderlizing the 1997 version would be backwards.
post #2393 of 2403
Based on what I've read, it should be easier to restore the original trilogy back to their original theatrical forms than it would be to upgrade the 97 SE's to the 2004 SE versions.

http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/savingstarwars.html

Take the 97 SE negatives and scan them in. Then scan in the trims, if they exist. If not, scan in best surviving elements.

But as noted here already, the 2004 SE's are "locked in" at 1080p, as well as the transfer done at that time. To upgrade the 2004 SE of the original trilogy in quality, CGI re-renderings and/or total recreations would be needed.
post #2394 of 2403
If the originals ever get released, it would be so crucial to have the original color timing - that is where it could be disappointing if not done properly.
post #2395 of 2403
What's different about the upcoming sets?
post #2396 of 2403
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What's different about the upcoming sets?

new package artwork and now packaged with DVD versions. nothing new....move along....these are not the versions we are looking for.
post #2397 of 2403
Wow, what a waste. I thought Disney would have at least gave the OT a proper 4K transfer. Maybe next release.
post #2398 of 2403
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Originally Posted by Terminator840 View Post

Wow, what a waste. I thought Disney would have at least gave the OT a proper 4K transfer. Maybe next release.

Lol, really?
post #2399 of 2403
Sorry if this has been talked about before.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Star-Wars-Episodes-IV-VI-Blu-ray/80274/


Is this the series without all the new stuff added?


Even if not, is it expected to have better picture and sound quality than any other Blu-ray release of these titles?

By the way, the last time I bought a Star Wars movie was on laserdisc. It's the original Star Wars, unfortunately, it's only full screen. However the framing for the full screen was done by Spielberg (at least that's who I think did the framing on that full frame video release.)
post #2400 of 2403
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Even if not, is it expected to have better picture and sound quality than any other Blu-ray release of these titles?
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Most definitely not.
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