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post #241 of 2403
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Originally Posted by AmishFury View Post

i don't get the love that saber fights in the prequels get... far too much unnecessary flipping and spinning and crap... the best saber battles are from empire and jedi less martial arts dancing more two people trying to kill each other

in empire after luke falls through the window and vader ambushes him vader is attacking with a ferocity you just don't see in the prequel battles... same thing with luke after he's had enough of vader taunting him in jedi

when i see a lightsaber battle i don't want a karate class showing off i want a battle to the death

I loved both of those scenes, you could feel the emotion behind the fights and they fit well for the time and place. With that said they both still kinda look like lumberjacks hacking away at each other. I still love it an accept that between Vader's mostly mechanical body and Luke having no real saber instructor the "art" was lost with the fall of the Jedi. My only complaint on the Obiwan/Maul fight is that it was too short. Otherwise I thought it was a fantastic display and w/out a bunch of goofy cgi jumping flipping crap.

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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

So we woud have had Freeman against Lee. Meaning with or without Ray Park coordinating the fights you can forget the kung-fu dance.

I'm fine with that, I would have much rather seen more traditional saber fighting (still with some speed) with no corny flips and jumps. Just two experienced older masters taking it to the mat.

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Originally Posted by dragonyeuw View Post

I'd agree that it probably feels the closest in spirit to the OT. Replace Jake Lloyd with that boy from The Sixth Sense, remove Jar Jar and a few other nips and tucks, and it could have been a genuinely good movie IMO. Though I agree with the person above who said Anakin should have been older from the outset in TPM. Personally I'd have made Anakin a teenager(about Padme's age), written Qui-Gon's role into Obi-Wan's character and made Obi a Jedi Knight( pretty much the level he was in AOTC), and had more in-suit Vader in ROTS, at least maybe seeing him taking out some of the Jedi. I also agree with the person who would have preferred seeing Mace fight Dooku, and have Yoda's lone saber battle be against Palpatine.



Personally I loved the Obi-wan-Maul duel, that's my favorite out of the Prequels. And you had the personal element as Maul had just killed Obi-wan's master. Those two were straight going at it, and the saber sound effects in that duel were awesome. The fights in AOTC were pretty bland( of course everyone got a rise out of seeing Yoda fighting). The main ROTS fights, especially Anakin-Obiwan had too many props, fighting on a sea on Lava, swinging, all kinds of over the top crap.

+1
I loved the Obi/Anakin fight with the exception of that garbage. Everything they did before getting to the balance beam outside was fantastic. The emotion in the final scene between them was excellent though, I really felt McGregor just knocked it out of the park in that scene and even Hayden was convincing.
post #242 of 2403
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Originally Posted by General Kenobi View Post

I loved the Obi/Anakin fight with the exception of that garbage. Everything they did before getting to the balance beam outside was fantastic. The emotion in the final scene between them was excellent though, I really felt McGregor just knocked it out of the park in that scene and even Hayden was convincing.

+1. When I watched ROTS recently I thought exactly the same thing watching that scene. At last, some emotion! some acting!
post #243 of 2403
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

but that change rrrreeally ties the saga together. Am I wrong?

I'm not biting on that.
post #244 of 2403
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

+1. When I watched ROTS recently I thought exactly the same thing watching that scene. At last, some emotion! some acting!

I hate that both Sabers are blue, it's not very visually appealing
post #245 of 2403
My Amazon order is still possible to cancel, but I chose free shipping.

I personally would have been very disappointed if the light saber battles were as much like old men fighting as the OT. Weren't we all waiting all those years to see real jedi doing there thing in their primes? To see the clones wars and what they entailed?
My problem with the PT started with the trailer for TPM. After seeing that I thought I was going to be able to die happy at the end of the prequels, but as you all know that didn't happen. I even stopped watching trailers after that.
I agree with several posters, the entire trilogy is skewed to far towards the beginning with little time left at the end to show the cool stuff. TPM could have started fairly quickly with the pod race with a teenage Anakin, moved on to intrigue with sith lords etc, and by the end of AOTC we should have seen the emperor for who he was and begun/see the clone wars and Anakin should have been on the verge of turning. We should have seen Anakin turn mid-way through ROTS and then see the best part of all the movies, Vader the bada$$ taking names for the last half of the movie with a final wrap up at the end which left us where it ultimately finished. TPM just wasted alot of valuable time to show us the good stuff, with the acception of the final duel which was great accept it left us with no cool sith for the rest of the trilogy. Darth Maul was so built up before the movie, to have him only say about 2 lines of dialogue and get waxed in the end seemed like a complete rip off. I wish Lucas would redo the PT and get some advice this time around.
post #246 of 2403
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Originally Posted by MovieSwede View Post

I recently discovered that I havnt removed the "plastic seal(?)" from my episode I DVD.

Last night I was going through some boxes with my kids looking for my SW keepsakes. I too found that I have two unwrapped SW OT Box Sets that are THX Remastered VHS. The rectangle box that's black with a pic of Vader on the front. I also have two of the special edition VHS sets one in gold packaging and another in silver packaging. But what I was most surprised to find was that I have a Special Edition Set of OT DVD's that came in a commemorative tin that I bought from Best Buy. I never opened it! Completely forgot about it! This one and the THX remastered VHS sets both have the original theactrical versions.

I'm seriously thinking about cracking one of them open and showing them to my kids so they can see how different the ANH is now. My oldest was first introduced to the original version but when they came out on DVD that format simply dominated his viewing.
post #247 of 2403
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

I hate that both Sabers are blue, it's not very visually appealing

Yeah, would have been nice if Sidious had christened his new apprentice with a nice, new red saber....
post #248 of 2403
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Hell, even if Obi had a green saber that would have done it
post #249 of 2403
Last night I ran through some critical viewing to make sure things were looking and sounding right. I have a couple of BD's that I like to use if I think tweaks are necessary and things are looking pretty good. But just to get a little perspective of what's to come after Friday I watched the Ep. III opening sequence that I recorded from HBO HD. Again, I haven't watched any of these movies for several months and out of anticipation of what I expect to see I was in awe of the decent of the starfighters over the star destroyer with that burgundy stripe.

Does anyone who has the new BD's have any screenshots of this sequence?
post #250 of 2403
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Originally Posted by Closet Geek View Post

Last night I ran through some critical viewing to make sure things were looking and sounding right. I have a couple of BD's that I like to use if I think tweaks are necessary and things are looking pretty good. But just to get a little perspective of what's to come after Friday I watched the Ep. III opening sequence that I recorded from HBO HD. Again, I haven't watched any of these movies for several months and out of anticipation of what I expect to see I was in awe of the decent of the starfighters over the star destroyer with that burgundy stripe.

Does anyone who has the new BD's have any screenshots of this sequence?

You can tell that Lucas did not direct that sequence lol
post #251 of 2403
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

Hell, even if Obi had a green saber that would have done it

Yeah, it's the color contrast between the sabers in combat that adds to the aesthetic value...also makes it easier to distinguish the interlocking blades, especially at the speed Anakin and Obi-wan were fighting.

Actually when Sideous proclaimed Anakin 'Hence forth you will be known as Darth.....Vader', that'd have been a great time to 'knight' Anakin and present him with the red saber.
post #252 of 2403
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Originally Posted by General Kenobi View Post


My only complaint on the Obiwan/Maul fight is that it was too short. Otherwise I thought it was a fantastic display and w/out a bunch of goofy cgi jumping flipping crap.


That's a great point actually, about how they were able to use Ray Park's acrobatic ability to make for an authentic looking fight without the obvious CGI in the later films( CGI Christopher Lee, the Anakin-Obiwan duel, Yoda). Enjoyed the Windu-Palpatine fight as well, not real flashy or complex but more like two wise old Kung-Fu masters.
post #253 of 2403
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

+1. When I watched ROTS recently I thought exactly the same thing watching that scene. At last, some emotion! some acting!

Ebert & Roeper's old SITH review stated the same thought - while the dialog was still the main problem in their opinion, it was the first of the PT where the main actors actually got to emote.
post #254 of 2403
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Originally Posted by dragonyeuw View Post

Yeah, would have been nice if Sidious had christened his new apprentice with a nice, new red saber....

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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

Hell, even if Obi had a green saber that would have done it

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Originally Posted by dragonyeuw View Post

Yeah, it's the color contrast between the sabers in combat that adds to the aesthetic value...also makes it easier to distinguish the interlocking blades, especially at the speed Anakin and Obi-wan were fighting.

Actually when Sideous proclaimed Anakin 'Hence forth you will be known as Darth.....Vader', that'd have been a great time to 'knight' Anakin and present him with the red saber.

You all know that we would have complained about continuity issues if they weren't both blue. Lucas would have had to show us some other way Obi-wan ended up with "your father's lightsaber" in ANH which had to be blue, and obviously Obi-wan is still using a blue saber in ANH as well.
post #255 of 2403
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Originally Posted by dragonyeuw View Post

That's a great point actually, about how they were able to use Ray Park's acrobatic ability to make for an authentic looking fight without the obvious CGI in the later films( CGI Christopher Lee, the Anakin-Obiwan duel, Yoda). Enjoyed the Windu-Palpatine fight as well, not real flashy or complex but more like two wise old Kung-Fu masters.

Park was able to sell the other actors actions
post #256 of 2403
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Originally Posted by bviss View Post

You all know that we would have complained about continuity issues if they weren't both blue. Lucas would have had to show us some other way Obi-wan ended up with "your father's lightsaber" in ANH which had to be blue, and obviously Obi-wan is still using a blue saber in ANH as well.

Obi could have lost his saber in the fight, he could have made another being a Jedi and all
post #257 of 2403
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Originally Posted by dragonyeuw View Post

That's a great point actually, about how they were able to use Ray Park's acrobatic ability to make for an authentic looking fight without the obvious CGI in the later films( CGI Christopher Lee, the Anakin-Obiwan duel, Yoda). Enjoyed the Windu-Palpatine fight as well, not real flashy or complex but more like two wise old Kung-Fu masters.

There was still CGI in that fight, but yes - Ray Park actually could do & did most of those moves (on his own or via wire work). Some jumps/flips were still digitally tweaked, but it WAS Ray Park doing everything Maul's moves were based on.

OTOH, much of what we saw from Dooku (and Sidious in SITH) was also an actual human - Lee's/McDiarmid's fencing doubles. The CG element for the most part was the ILM head replacement. Looked decent enough in AOTC, but they seem to have nailed it better in SITH. Of course, some CG for Dooku/Palps beyond head swaps had to happen in those as well, particularly when the opponent was CG Yoda.
post #258 of 2403
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

Obi could have lost his saber in the fight, he could have made another being a Jedi and all

Yea, that's what I'm saying, there would have to be some Lucasisms to explain the color changes. There's a little bit of cache to the whole we finally get to see the vader/obi duel and them having the color sabers we expect for both of them based on the OT. I kind of like Luke having the "first" green saber for a major character too.
post #259 of 2403
Plus, how could Obi lose his saber in a fight that he won?
post #260 of 2403
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Originally Posted by jwebb1970 View Post

There was still CGI in that fight, but yes - Ray Park actually could do & did most of those moves (on his own or via wire work). Some jumps/flips were still digitally tweaked, but it WAS Ray Park doing everything Maul's moves were based on.

OTOH, much of what we saw from Dooku (and Sidious in SITH) was also an actual human - Lee's/McDiarmid's fencing doubles. The CG element for the most part was the ILM head replacement. Looked decent enough in AOTC, but they seem to have nailed it better in SITH. Of course, some CG for Dooku/Palps beyond head swaps had to happen in those as well, particularly when the opponent was CG Yoda.

This fight also had jedi jumping up 50 feet so it is just as unrealistic as the later 2 movies, the fight just looked better because of Parks' ability to sell the fight along with 2 youngish opponents, instead of old men or yoda.
post #261 of 2403
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Originally Posted by bviss View Post

I agree with several posters, the entire trilogy is skewed to far towards the beginning with little time left at the end to show the cool stuff. TPM could have started fairly quickly with the pod race with a teenage Anakin, moved on to intrigue with sith lords etc, and by the end of AOTC we should have seen the emperor for who he was and begun/see the clone wars and Anakin should have been on the verge of turning. We should have seen Anakin turn mid-way through ROTS and then see the best part of all the movies, Vader the bada$$ taking names for the last half of the movie with a final wrap up at the end which left us where it ultimately finished. TPM just wasted alot of valuable time to show us the good stuff, with the acception of the final duel which was great accept it left us with no cool sith for the rest of the trilogy. Darth Maul was so built up before the movie, to have him only say about 2 lines of dialogue and get waxed in the end seemed like a complete rip off. I wish Lucas would redo the PT and get some advice this time around.

Not saying your view is wrong at all, but a major part of what led to Anakin's fall had to do with the initial separation from his mom & the issues that instilled. It's why he was deemed as too old to be trained initially - he needed to be taken to live w/ the Jedi at a very early age to avoid that sense of loss. By being 8-10 yrs old, he was at the age where the separation caused him to miss her deeply - knowing he may never see her again. Kind of screwed up to do that to a kid.

It also explains his thing for older women in positions of power.

Basically, he became Vader due to being f-ed up as a young kid when Qui-Gon hauled off with him. It was all those "mommy issues".
post #262 of 2403
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Plus, how could Obi lose his saber in a fight that he won?

The red saber idea works better, he could have left his blue one with Padme or something
post #263 of 2403
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Originally Posted by jwebb1970 View Post

Not saying your view is wrong at all, but a major part of what led to Anakin's fall had to do with the initial separation from his mom & the issues that instilled. It's why he was deemed as too old to be trained initially - he needed to be taken to live w/ the Jedi at a very early age to avoid that sense of loss. By being 8-10 yrs old, he was at the age where the separation caused him to miss her deeply - knowing he may never see her again. Kind of screwed up to do that to a kid.

It also explains his thing for older women in positions of power.

Basically, he became Vader due to being f-ed up as a young kid when Qui-Gon hauled off with him. It was all those "mommy issues".

Sure, I'll buy that, I just think we could have moved through alot of that more efficiently and discarded trips to the gungan underwater world, and everything Jar Jar, and doo doo jokes, and trade federation discussions, and walking around in fancy dresses and so on. Of course alot of it could have been better if it was just filmed with more heart in the first place. I just really wish we had at least another half movie at the end. It was just starting to get really good. (Except for the NOOOOOOOOO!)
I especially hate the short cut of "order 66" instead of "Vader hunted down and killed the Jedi".
post #264 of 2403
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

The red saber idea works better, he could have left his blue one with Padme or something

Even better, he could have impaled her with it and hence created a real reason for her to die!
post #265 of 2403
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Even better, he could have impaled her with it and hence created a real reason for her to die!

A broken heart is the top killer of mothers in the US
post #266 of 2403
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Originally Posted by jwebb1970 View Post

There was still CGI in that fight, but yes - Ray Park actually could do & did most of those moves (on his own or via wire work). Some jumps/flips were still digitally tweaked, but it WAS Ray Park doing everything Maul's moves were based on.

I barely noticed it, so either the CGI was really convincing, or Ray Park is one heck of a gymnast.
post #267 of 2403
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Originally Posted by bviss View Post

You all know that we would have complained about continuity issues if they weren't both blue. Lucas would have had to show us some other way Obi-wan ended up with "your father's lightsaber" in ANH which had to be blue, and obviously Obi-wan is still using a blue saber in ANH as well.

Fair point....
post #268 of 2403
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A broken heart is the top killer of mothers in the US

I know, that was on my board exams.
post #269 of 2403
I've been researching the current deals and regarding the lithographs being offered by Target, the only thing I find is that ad that most have probably seen. But I never noticed before in the background what appears to be a collage of 8 pictures. My apologies if this has been commented on already or if this was obvious to others but while packaged individually, I suspect these will be the lithographs and I would be surprised if they'll be bigger than 4x6 or 5x7.
post #270 of 2403
What do you all plan to do with these lithographs?
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